India-China 2020 Border conflict

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Suryavanshi

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Let me put things into perspective , India's independence was negotiated with the so called " Indian leaders " with the tact understanding that the ecosystem which helped the British to rule India will be allowed continue to exist post independence. One reason why Bose was eliminated because he had made it clear that he would put to task all so called Indians who had collaborated with the British.

You will note that after independence non of the bureaucrats, civil or military officials who were in cahoots with the British were neither expunged nor punished. Which would have been the most sensible thing to do .

As a result a ecosystem was created and preserved generation after generation who kept working India in shackles.

Mao in china purged an entire generation , especially targeting bureaucrats amd as a result cleansed the entire country . What he did was basically a genocide but nevertheless the positive aspects is something worth noting.

We had no need to replicate the same , but we could have atleast removed all such erstwhile British lackeys and appointees who retained power and who were trained to keep own countrymen in shackles.

Now we are reaping the benefits of the same .

I don't give a rats ass about civilian administration of the country , they are pathetic and not worth a second glance , but I always wonder why indian military never gave up on its let's say " British heritage " and adopt Indian heritage in toto ? Or rather too reluctant to adopt ?

The rot is too deep in this country , the foundation was laid wrong and by the wrong people. For what my opinion matters I have given up any hope of us ever regaining our lost territories.

Look at this way India is a democracy where any party in power will never be proactive inorder to recapture lost territories unless it ties up with their political goal ie stay in power . Thus it is a near impossible expectation in a democracy like ours because the opposition will look to weaken the government even if means going against the interests of the country so that they put the government on the backfoot and gain political mileage inorder to return to power . They will corner the government on any shortcomings or adverse impact be it large casualties or high economic costs ( which is inevitable in a war ) in order to deter the government looking to regain India's territorial sanctity . So it is near impossible to expect any government in power to be offensive rather than defensive which has always been the norm till date.

See the conundrum
Also situation was made worse in Indras tenure with the KGB fully entering the picture. The union culture took it's roots in 1965 to 1975 and we are suffering ever since then.
Even now when the country is at the brink of war the OFB insists on going on a strike.

It will be a slow process but government needs to shift MIC to private sector. Signs are already here.
Godrej missile assembly line.
SSS and CBC Ammunition factory coming up in Mahrastra.
Active participation of Pvt companies in Tejas supply chain.
DRDO TOT to Pvt sector.
Corporatisation of OFB.

Final straw should be freedom of Research and Development between PVT and Gov labs.
 

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That's good news for us... Now any of their ckaims on Kalapani d Limpiyadhura can be punched with it & dismissed as expansionist fantasy.
Saw the map and I am personally offended. Just because we were a part of the Gorkha empire at some stage doesn't mean that Sikkim wants to be a part of Nepal.

It is clear that Oli administration is acting on the whims of CCP. Xitler's idea is to open as many political fronts as possible so that India is bogged down. That's why he asked Pakistan also to draw fictitious maps and present it all over the world.

The SCO spat recently was a result of this mentality and I got to say; Russia wasn't happy at all.
 

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Saw the map and I am personally offended. Just because we were a part of the Gorkha empire at some stage doesn't mean that Sikkim wants to be a part of Nepal.

It is clear that Oli administration is acting on the whims of CCP. Xitler's idea is to open as many political fronts as possible so that India is bogged down. That's why he asked Pakistan also to draw fictitious maps and present it all over the world.

The SCO spat recently was a result of this mentality and I got to say; Russia wasn't happy at all.
Nepal needs to remember that according to UN charter, a country has right to counter attack and hold territory if necessary in self defense.
 

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Nepal needs to remember that according to UN charter, a country has right to counter attack and hold territory if necessary in self defense.
What is the need for a toothless UN resolution to bitch slap Oli and his cohorts?!? Just take him out and blame it on a road accident. Like Pilot and Scindia were taken out by Maino mafia.😝
 

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Thai have always hesitated due to great environmental impact so instead the KIMP was chosen. The current idea of the canal has been proposed by the chinese but it will require an investment over than the 100 US Billion dollars. So the project going head is hard.
The engineering challenge is to great many cuts have to be made in the mountains greater than 100 m so an extremely hard job even harder than Panama canal.

  1. A canal will divide the country physically and pose a security risk. It is feared that a canal would separate the four southern-most provinces from the rest of Thailand and allow secessionist movements to further develop.
Thailand does have a Muslim separatist problem just like how we had in Kashmir. Those guys are funded by radical groups in Malaysia who are sympathetic to the separatists. India could engage Thailand more seriously and help them understand how to deal with the separatists.

The problem is if we don't step in, tomorrow Xitler will step in with billions in bribe money to whoever is ruling Thailand and will get it done 10x faster than our government.

Demand for transit will not meet expectations.
How? Malacca Strait is jam-packed. In fact, such a canal under Indian control is a pretty good thing.

The excavated soil will need to be dealt with.
Not a problem at all; for long there is a dispute going on in Southeast Asia about exports of such soil and sand to Singapore for the land reclamation projects. Since Indonesia and Malaysia stopped, Singapore will happily buy it all.

Environmental concerns.
Valid concern. But with proper planning, this can be addressed as well.

Cost factor is to much.
We better lobby for it or AIIB under China will.

Opposition from Malaysia and Singapore.
How?

I know it hits the revenues of Malaysia, but it also gives them a chance to increase funding of the Islamist separatists in Thailand's southern regions.

Singapore could in theory oppose; but Thailand can come to a deal with them about the soil thing that we discussed above. If they were to give it all for free in exchange for their support, that could work.

All of this is of course, hypothetical.

But once China steps in, it will be very difficult for Thailand to say a full official NO.
 

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With the hell-like winters of the Himalayas setting in along Eastern Ladakh, India could be preparing to teach China lesson, if the need arises. While many would believe that such an offensive would be limited to the Indian armed forces pushing China into its own side of the Line of Actual Control, it is highly possible that the Indian establishment authorises the very physical integration of Aksai Chin, currently under illegal Chinese occupation, with India. For the same, the Modi government is leaving no stone unturned and has mounted a huge logistics support exercise, transporting essentials for the Indian Army to brave the winters this year.

Whether it be winter clothes and military gear, ammunition or food and oil, the Indian side is stocking up as though an all-out war with China is imminent. The same makes much sense too, as the ‘quiet’ along the LAC in Eastern Ladakh, or for that matter, along the entire de facto border with China is momentary, and one does not know when the tensions between both the sides will spiral out of control. When they do, it would make complete sense for India to take back what has been lost from it, and integrate Aksai Chin with Ladakh once and for all.

During the 1950s, the People’s Republic of China built a 1,200 km (750 mi) road connecting Xinjiang and western Tibet, of which 179 km (112 mi) ran south of the Johnson Line through the Aksai Chin region claimed by India, thereby proving how China had undertaken construction activity in sovereign Indian territory. Post the 1962-war, which India lost due to a dilapidated political leadership, the region has been under the firm yet illegal occupation of China.

India to this day claims Aksai Chin as a part of its own territory. To the same effect, Defence Minister Rajnath Singh, while addressing the Rajya Sabha on Thursday, stated, “China continues to be in illegal occupation of approximately 38,000 sq. kms in the Union Territory of Ladakh.” “In addition, under the so-called Sino-Pakistan ‘Boundary Agreement’ of 1963, Pakistan illegally ceded 5,180 sq. km of Indian territory in PoK to China. China also claims approximately 90,000 sq. kms of Indian territory in the Eastern Sector of the India-China boundary in Arunachal Pradesh,” he added.

Last year, Union Home Minister Amit Shah had made an aggressive pitch in the country’s parliament for the reclamation of territories like Pakistan-occupied-Kashmir and Aksai Chin, which were under illegal occupation by Pakistan and China respectively, as he went on to say that he and the government are willing to lay down their lives for the said territories.

The Indian military has already moved more than 150,000 tonnes of materials into Ladakh which includes vast quantities of ammunition, equipment, fuel, winter supplies and food. This shows how India is digging its heels deep into the snow and ice of Ladakh, as it prepares to brave the Winters, and perhaps even free Aksai Chin from the clutches of the Chinese if it gets the go-ahead from New Delhi.

China is visibly shocked, and their silence for the past one week in Eastern Ladakh is more of a sign of confusion than that of surrender. Ever since the Indian Army, SFF and ITBP turned the tables on the PLA by occupying a number of strategic heights along the Pangong Tso lake, the Chinese are scratching their heads and wondering as to what hit them. Further, they realise that the Indian side has a far greater advantage over them in Pangong Tso lake now, which is also the greatest friction point between the two countries.

Caught in an unbearably disadvantageous position, and knowing that an all-out Indian offensive for any Chinese mischief was now imminent, Xi Jinping deputed his Defence Minister to beg for a meeting with his Indian counterpart, Rajnath Singh, who on the sidelines of the SCO summit no less than straightened the Chinese Defence Minister for his country’s trespasses in Eastern Ladakh.

Dr S. Jaishankar, India’s Foreign Minister also conveyed to Wang Yi, his counterpart from China that India was willing to disengage, but the onus around the same would lie solely with China, which is rather infamous for walking back on its commitments. With no visible change in the ground situation yet, and an uneasy calm prevailing along the LAC for the past one week, it is highly likely that China is willing to surrender. It is also likely that they are strategizing their next offences against India, in which case they will have to part ways with Aksai Chin.

The Chinese PLA is in no position to fight a winter war with India. While Indian troops are battle-hardened and seamlessly brave each winter being acclimatised to the region, the bulk of Chinese forces have been pulled into the region only very recently, with none of them having experienced, leave alone survived the Himalayan winters ever before. Fighting a war in such conditions is a no brainer for them. If matters escalate hereon, China will lose what it calls Aksai Chin forever. India is both irritated with the red-rogue country and also frustrated with it. If China does not revert to status quo ante prior to May 2020, India might just force a new status quo down their throats forcibly, which will have them crying for the remainder of their lives.


 

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The engineering challenge is to great many cuts have to be made in the mountains greater than 100 m so an extremely hard job even harder than Panama canal.

Thailand does have a Muslim separatist problem just like how we had in Kashmir. Those guys are funded by radical groups in Malaysia who are sympathetic to the separatists. India could engage Thailand more seriously and help them understand how to deal with the separatists.

The problem is if we don't step in, tomorrow Xitler will step in with billions in bribe money to whoever is ruling Thailand and will get it done 10x faster than our government.



How? Malacca Strait is jam-packed. In fact, such a canal under Indian control is a pretty good thing.



Not a problem at all; for long there is a dispute going on in Southeast Asia about exports of such soil and sand to Singapore for the land reclamation projects. Since Indonesia and Malaysia stopped, Singapore will happily buy it all.



Valid concern. But with proper planning, this can be addressed as well.



We better lobby for it or AIIB under China will.



How?

I know it hits the revenues of Malaysia, but it also gives them a chance to increase funding of the Islamist separatists in Thailand's southern regions.

Singapore could in theory oppose; but Thailand can come to a deal with them about the soil thing that we discussed above. If they were to give it all for free in exchange for their support, that could work.

All of this is of course, hypothetical.

But once China steps in, it will be very difficult for Thailand to say a full official NO.
Other alternative are there like the kra inter model transport which is a much cheaper alternative to the kra canal. It would cost just a fraction of the canal.
 

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For punjab need to watch a farmer's movement against agriculture bill it can be tough security headache for us.akali resign from cabinet and movement going to massive watch out international border with punjab Rajasthan.
 

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Chongs are crying about Hu's, from GT, admission of deaths.

Someone should tell them about this -

"American intelligence believes 35 Chinese troops died, including one senior officer, a source familiar with that assessment tells U.S. News."



And this -

"India Today TV has learnt that the tactical debrief on the ground -- a kind of First Information Report on the incident -- records 16 Chinese Army bodies handed back to the Chinese side after brawl No.3, including 5 officers. The debrief report does not specify if the Chinese Commanding Officer of the unit was among these five."


We also had a prisoner I think their CO which we handed back later.
 

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Let me put things into perspective , India's independence was negotiated with the so called " Indian leaders " with the tact understanding that the ecosystem which helped the British to rule India will be allowed continue to exist post independence. One reason why Bose was eliminated because he had made it clear that he would put to task all so called Indians who had collaborated with the British.

You will note that after independence non of the bureaucrats, civil or military officials who were in cahoots with the British were neither expunged nor punished. Which would have been the most sensible thing to do .

As a result a ecosystem was created and preserved generation after generation who kept working India in shackles.

Mao in china purged an entire generation , especially targeting bureaucrats amd as a result cleansed the entire country . What he did was basically a genocide but nevertheless the positive aspects is something worth noting.

We had no need to replicate the same , but we could have atleast removed all such erstwhile British lackeys and appointees who retained power and who were trained to keep own countrymen in shackles.

Now we are reaping the benefits of the same .

I don't give a rats ass about civilian administration of the country , they are pathetic and not worth a second glance , but I always wonder why indian military never gave up on its let's say " British heritage " and adopt Indian heritage in toto ? Or rather too reluctant to adopt ?

The rot is too deep in this country , the foundation was laid wrong and by the wrong people. For what my opinion matters I have given up any hope of us ever regaining our lost territories.

Look at this way India is a democracy where any party in power will never be proactive inorder to recapture lost territories unless it ties up with their political goal ie stay in power . Thus it is a near impossible expectation in a democracy like ours because the opposition will look to weaken the government even if means going against the interests of the country so that they put the government on the backfoot and gain political mileage inorder to return to power . They will corner the government on any shortcomings or adverse impact be it large casualties or high economic costs ( which is inevitable in a war ) in order to deter the government looking to regain India's territorial sanctity . So it is near impossible to expect any government in power to be offensive rather than defensive which has always been the norm till date.

See the conundrum
It is better to study and know about a thing rather than comment from a predetermined prejudiced mind and ideas which have no substance.

British incorporated Indian in all Field of statecraft except in running strategic and Military Affairs, When they started taking a few officers in Indian Army from 1926 (as compared to 1858 for ICS) they were for the logistics services. By the time of Independence there were only a very few officers of Indian origin who had barely reached Brigadiers ranks .

Nothing was changed in India after Independence except the Army officers cadre and even the rank cadre which was overhauled by Nehru and his cronies, The ICS which was never allowed any where naer the Armed Forces became the bosses - downsizing, downgrading and rediculing the officers cadre and structure.

It is India's internal and external enemies that brought up the Indian Army to present shape unless IAS and IPS which continues to retain 1958 basic structure and administrative model albiet in Frankstonial shape.

Except for their Regimental prides of Military achievements and basic regimentation system which has proved very useful time and again - there is nothing British about Indian Army and other Services. Where is entire Railways, Irrigation, CPWD, Centralised system, the administrative structure is thoroughly British and the democratic process have not touched even a bit.

By grouping Armed Forces with colonial institutions such as Babus, you have shown your utter ignorance and prejudice.
 

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Inke DNA ki Quality bhi inke Made in China Products ki tarah hai, Inferior 😝
Violence, hostilities, Conflicts and Wars is what is deep-rooted in Chinese DNA. History is witness that the Chinese can not digest their food without being subject to violence.

The record of Chinese participation in UN peacekeeping has been that of avoidance, aloofness, being very scared and cowardice to say the least.

Such stupid claims can only misguide the Chinese masses, not the world.
 
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