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garg_bharat

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We are a nuke power so there is an ultimate stalemate here with the CCP and therefore with the bakristanis as well.
What is the point in having a nuke powered SSBN or lethal missiles like Brahmos, Barak 8, Mica etc if we are going to lose territory or lose soldiers on the LoC due to cross border fire?
Being nuke power does not create a stalemate at the border. The conflict/war has never stopped on this planet due to any fancy weapons. The conflict will continue. Assuming that a few nukes will guarantee India's security is wrong.

Nukes may have made large wars difficult to fight but a determined country can still fight (like China).

A SSBN may provide better physical security for its warheads, compared to land based warheads - at a steep cost. Land based warheads are generally difficult to hide in the age of satellites. So SSBN is a better option for 'no first use' - stated doctrine of India.
 

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Being nuke power does not create a stalemate at the border. The conflict/war has never stopped on this planet due to any fancy weapons. The conflict will continue. Assuming that a few nukes will guarantee India's security is wrong.

Nukes may have made large wars difficult to fight but a determined country can still fight (like China).

A SSBN may provide better physical security for its warheads, compared to land based warheads - at a steep cost. Land based warheads are generally difficult to hide in the age of satellites. So SSBN is a better option for 'no first use' - stated doctrine of India.
But he is correct, bigger self sufficient industrial economy supported with domestic MIC and bigger balls to take the fight to enemy is what is needed....respect is earned by putting fear in opponents, otherwise bitch ass Oli will take us for a ride too.
 

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Washington: The US provided "strong and unambiguous support” to India during its current border crisis with China, which is engaged in increasingly aggressive behaviour throughout the Indo-Pacific even during the coronavirus pandemic, a senior White House official said on Thursday.

From a bilateral perspective China's recent actions on the Line of Actual Control (LAC) with India has further reinforced the importance of the US-India strategic partnership, Lisa Curtis, the deputy assistant to President Donald Trump, said in a virtual panel discussion organised by Carnegie Endowment for International Peace think-tank.

"Whether it was cutting off Vietnam's access to its fishing waters, undermining Hong Kong self-rule, deploying military submarines to threaten Japan or contesting Indian territorial sovereignty along the LAC, Beijing has engaged in increasingly aggressive behaviour throughout the Indo-Pacific, even as the global community has grappled with coronavirus pandemic,” Curtis said.

The crisis has strengthened America's resolve to work towards building its relationship with India as a bulwark against Chinese aggression, she said during the discussion on research scholar Darshana Baruah's recently released paper, “India in the Indo-Pacific: New Delhi's Theater of Opportunity”.

"Throughout the crisis, the US has provided strong and unambiguous support for India, and our cooperation has certainly grown closer. We are encouraged by India's strong yet responsible approach to the Chinese aggression,” said Curtis, who is the Senior Director for South and Central Asia on the National Security Council (NSC) at the White House.

"While always seeking to de-escalate through diplomatic means India also demonstrated military and economic resolve,” Curtis said as she asserted that the Indo-Pacific strategy, which was introduced in 2017 is designed to foster a stable free open and rules-based order.

"This order is not only for the benefit of the US. It is for the benefit of all countries that pride their sovereignty and independence. The Indo-Pacific strategy, of course prioritises building relations between the US and India, because we view India as an emerging global power that shares our goals of ensuring this region remains peaceful, stable, and with the prospect of growing prosperity,” she said.

America's strategic partnership with India is really founded on shared commitments to freedom, democratic principles and the rule of law. It is based on a convergence of strategic interests, centred on promoting global security instability, she said.

Noting that the Trump administration elevated the US relationship with India in ways not seen by any other administration, she said that the joint statement that was signed by President Trump and Prime Minister Narendra Modi following the former's visit to India in February is testament to this administration's commitment to building the vital partnership.

Curtis said that the US has strengthened the QUAD mechanism among the leadership of the US, Japan, India and Australia. At the outset of the Trump administration the Quad was really not even officially meeting.

"But starting in November 2017, we started regular dialogue of the QUAD at the Assistant Secretary Director General level. And by September 19, we had the quad meeting at the ministerial level for the first time ever. Additionally, President Trump has met twice in the trilateral format with Indian and Japan; first at the G-20 Buenos Aires in December, 2018, and then again in Osaka, at the G-20 in June 2019,” she said.

Both the QUAD and trilateral formats are really important for strengthening the institutional support and fostering that multinational cooperation that will contribute to a free and open Indo-Pacific, Curtis said.

“Such mechanisms help check Chinese aggression, and which has increased since the onset of the global pandemic," she added.

Tension in eastern Ladakh increased manifold following the Galwan Valley clashes on June 15 in which 20 Indian Army soldiers were killed. The Chinese side too suffered casualties, but it is yet to give out the details.

The situation deteriorated again after China unsuccessfully attempted to occupy Indian territory in the southern bank of Pangong lake on the intervening night of August 29 and 30.

China is also engaged in hotly contested territorial disputes in both the South China Sea and the East China Sea. Beijing has built up and militarised many of the islands and reefs it controls in the region. Both areas are stated to be rich in minerals, oil and other natural resources and are vital to global trade.

China claims almost all of the South China Sea. Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan have counter claims over the area.

 

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India hopes China will not make further attempts to change status quo on LAC
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The Chinese side should sincerely work with the Indian side for complete disengagement at the earliest, Anurag Srivastava said
He also referred to Defence Minister Rajnath Singh's remarks and said the minister had stated that India is committed to peaceful dialogue with the Chinese side
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NEW DELHI : India said on Thursday that China should sincerely work with it for complete disengagement at the earliest from all friction areas including Pangong Lake and hoped the Chinese side will strictly respect the Line of Actual Control (LAC) and "not make further attempts to unilaterally change status quo".

Addressing the weekly media briefing, Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) spokesperson Anurag Srivastava said both sides should focus on easing tensions in the friction areas by refraining from any actions that may lead to an escalation in the situation.


"The Chinese side should sincerely work with the Indian side for complete disengagement at the earliest from all friction areas including Pangong Lake as well as de-escalation in border areas in accordance with the bilateral agreements and protocols on the maintenance of peace and tranquillity in border areas. We hope the Chinese side will strictly respect and observe the line of actual control and not make further attempts to unilaterally change status quo," he said.

Srivastava said that External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar met his Chinese counterpart in Moscow on September 10.


He said the two Foreign Ministers reached an agreement which outlines the way forward and this meeting followed the meeting that the two Defence Ministers had in Moscow on September 4.

"There was consensus between the ministers of the two sides, during both the meetings, that there should be quick and complete disengagement of troops from all friction areas along the LAC. Both sides should, therefore, focus on easing tensions in the friction areas by refraining from any actions that may lead to an escalation in the situation. This requires strict adherence to the bilateral agreements and protocols and not making unilateral attempts to change the status quo," Srivastava said.

He also referred to Defence Minister Rajnath Singh's remarks in the two Houses of Parliament and said the minister had stated that India is committed to peaceful dialogue with the Chinese side, including through diplomatic and military channels.


Rajnath Singh on Thursday said in the Rajya Sabha Sabha that conduct of the country's armed forces throughout India-China border clashes showed that they maintained 'sayyam' (restraint) and displayed 'shaurya' (bravery) in face of provocative actions by the Chinese army.

The two countries have been engaged in a stand-off since April-May and the Chinese have not vacated areas in the Finger area and other friction points in the eastern Ladakh area.

Multiple rounds of talks have failed to yield any significant result in defusing border tensions.


This story has been published from a wire agency feed without modifications to the text. Only the headline has been changed.

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Yes, I read a fascinating theory on Twitter last night about increased PLAAF air activity in the Chinese hinterlands (similar to the 1-odd month of USAF air-activity over Saudi Arabia right before Desert Storm).

This area is equidistant from both India and Taiwan, and roughly located around the Guizhou province and western Hunan province.
 

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But he is correct, bigger self sufficient industrial economy supported with domestic MIC and bigger balls to take the fight to enemy is what is needed....respect is earned by putting fear in opponents, otherwise bitch ass Oli will take us for a ride too.
Oli is an extension of Chinese threat. Oli has no existence without the Chinese.
Nepal is a failure of India's strategic planning. No short term measure will bring the desired effect. Bold steps in the shadows are the only option left.
 

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While the India-China standoff is being projected as a stalemate, several advantages have already accrued to India

1. With the forces on the border, the BRO can accelerate the infra building. Also the forces may lend a helping hand whenever possible. Since China has already been "offended", no fears of further offending China - India can build infra as close to LAC as it wants

2. The freedom to test all kinds of arms and ammunition in high altitude without the need for "strategic restraint" anymore

3. The increased appreciation of Andaman/Nicobar. Once the airfields are upgraded there and a dual use port comes up, the sea lanes will be under better control

4. The hyphenation of India with China and the de-hyphenation of India with Pakistan. In fact, this strengthens India's case for the UN seat and also the case for kicking out China from the UN.

5. The freedom for the government to increase the defence budget.

6. The removal of fence sitting for the Indian government. Acceleration of the quad.

7. Finally the imposing of a cost for China. While China was imposing a cost on us, they were getting a free run because of Indian reticence
 

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Yes, I read a fascinating theory on Twitter last night about increased PLAAF air activity in the Chinese hinterlands (similar to the 1-odd month of USAF air-activity over Saudi Arabia right before Desert Storm).

This area is equidistant from both India and Taiwan, and roughly located around the Guizhou province and western Hunan province.
Interesting. What are the targets India can hit in Chinese hinterland with its air force ?
 

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"It is India’s military resolve that offers the most potential for precipitating any kind of conflict mitigation"

Quotable quote from the following article by Arjun Subramaniam
 

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Figure of 47 was my final. After corroboration.

But this is for the immediate aftermath.

Want screenshots? :)
yes pls..

I still don't understand why pics are not leaked..

surely IA is not playing by the honor code
 

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Be happy he atleast said all this.
I have no idea what MEA sponsored "don't needle China" bs is going on in GoI.
We can release lots of info bursting bubble of 2nd super power but for whatever reason it seems like we're holding back, to not "anger the dragon".
They live in a house of glass and we seem to avoid throwing stones at it.
true that.

I just don't understand it, see same in other countries.. like oz...

I hear experts telling common man "don't badmouth china" while completely ignoring their country got bad mouthed by CCP mouthpieces just the day earlier and this expert was mum...

The dragon is already playing bad and outside rules, why are we holding to rules.. atleast play by same rules the dragon is playing by
 

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Despite all the traitors among India's past leadership, India has managed to make a b***h out of China. Imagine if India had been strengthening its military since 1947, what kind of kabbadi India would have played with China. Anyway, it is never too late to correct the course. I am glad that course correction is taking place at a rapid pace.
 

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