India-China 2020 Border conflict

[LETHALFORCE]

Yes, but the US had air dominance in the region. Assuming the Rafale can ingress 200 km, a perimeter of 400 km could be secure but beyond that ? While Brahmos might be able to inflict damage on the airfield, the Syrian experience showed that airfields can be restored back quickly. Perhaps the bigger deterrent is that the Chinese airfields dont have hardened shelters so they would loose a lot of their hardware in the reprisal attack

we also have AWAC's and SAM's it is not like we will not secure the skies.

 

[Synergy]

One reason is that they think they can achieve aerial dominance and bring in bombers after that....this is how typically bombers are employed in ranked air forces for non intercontinental missions.

but to think, their 100/120/130 jets (or so) (as reported by Vishnu) will achieve aerial dominance, man, seems like they are really having very high quality Afghan weed. I really envy them.

 

[Bhadra]

preempt India having funny ideas when sh1t gets real in SCS.

watch any chinese forum, they are all expecting SCS to get hot, that is their main concern. Even here, they messed up their plans as it has lead to India troops being locked and loaded, so if sh1t gets real in SCS, they are stuffed for sure now.

Earlier there was a chance India would play NAM and stay out. Maybe they truly underestimated this govt ans thought no one will get a whiff and India will not even know enough or care, forget about being pushed back.

I agree that SCS is the main issue in the minds of the Chinese.
But the defence of SCS does not lie in Ladakh.
When a country applies military force anywhere there has to be some good intention there that fulfils their national interests.
If Chinese are risking a war ... well the reason has to be that good.

If SCS is the main concern of China in what way can enacting amilitary drama on LAC help China ?

Let us identify that and maybe we will be closer to the target.

 

[scatterStorm]

One reason is that they think they can achieve aerial dominance and bring in bombers after that....this is how typically bombers are employed in ranked air forces for non intercontinental missions.

There current air fleet deployment is simply no match for IAF. If they wan't to hit targets inside our mainland, they simply would'v done flying over Tibet. Its a pressure tactic.

 

[utubekhiladi]

LAC row: Hope China won’t make further attempts to unilaterally change status quo, says MEA

isn't me or that statement actually sound like surrender and acceptance of new LAC?

LAC row: Hope China won’t make further attempts to unilaterally change status quo, says MEA

The Chinese side should sincerely work with the Indian side for complete disengagement at the earliest from all friction areas including Pangong lake," MEA spokesperson Anurag Srivastava said at the weekly briefing.

indianexpress.com

 

[scatterStorm]

i have a query about chinese bombers..

Even if they choose to go on mis adventure, how good are our air defences in neutralising them. Yes, they will be accompanied by fighters but scene have moved into BVR these days..How do these fighters protect them against something of rafael meteors ...

Bombers would simply move in with AEWACS, and defending squadron they simply would maneuver the gaps. Once they reach a potential good altitude to fire CJ10s they will. Make no mistake, they will.

AEWACS is the key, they have it and they will use it.

 

[Gandaberunda]

They can be taken out if they fly alone, it would become difficult if it fly's with squadrons of MKKs or J10s defending them. PAF is also monitoring our air activity too. Its simply not that easy.

So you brought PAF? If porks gets involved Indian Navy will repeat 10X of 71 karachi.
Even IAF will not be deploying lone fighter full package will be deployed and damn sure the package will be huge with Mig29 Su30 MKI Mig21 Jaguars as our bases are nearer to contested air space than PLA

 

[omaebakabaka]

but to think, their 100/120/130 jets (or so) (as reported by Vishnu) will achieve aerial dominance, man, seems like they are really having very high quality Afghan weed. I really envy them.

PLAAF is formidable overall but it can be countered in equal footing in local theatre like Ladakh by IAF....

 

[Shashank Nayak]

BRICS NSA Meeting khatam hua kya..?

 

[omaebakabaka]

There current air fleet deployment is simply no match for IAF. If they wan't to hit targets inside our mainland, they simply would'v done flying over Tibet. Its a pressure tactic.

We are speculating reasons why bombers came into picture, does not mean they will have air dominance. Lots of scenarios are played in training and excercises.

 

[Gandaberunda]

Bombers would simply move in with AEWACS, and defending squadron they simply would maneuver the gaps. Once they reach a potential good altitude to fire CJ10s they will. Make no mistake, they will.

AEWACS is the key, they have it and they will use it.

Which AEWACS they have? I don't count their reverse engineered AWACS which porks also don't use as a front line. Last reported they were begging Israel for phalcon AWACS.
Do they have any AWACS matching our Phalcon?

 

[LETHALFORCE]

PLAAF is formidable overall but it can be countered in equal footing in local theatre like Ladakh by IAF....

we do lack aircraft , for a country india's size we have few planes . A small country
like south korea has almost equal number of warplanes. and many planes that china also has.

 

[mokoman]

The Chinese are bout to formally declare their casualties last June.

Could be laying down ground work for invasion.

 

[omaebakabaka]

we do lack aircraft , for a country india's size we have few planes . A small country
like south korea has almost equal number of warplanes. and many planes that china also has.

Yes, blame UPA for the most part and IAF too for letting the fleet deplete....but we have very many advantages coming from lower altitude. I would say 25 to 30% and our numbers are decent to begin with initial encounters but its the replacements where they up us in capability.

 

[JBH22]

we do lack aircraft , for a country india's size we have few planes . A small country
like south korea has almost equal number of warplanes.

Indian mind is all about talk and no action. I bet we see it everyday in corporate world. Chuglibaazi, envious about your neighbors getting it right.

It's a sorry state of affairs and it's in the mindset will take bloody long time to change. That MMRCA saga is itself a non ending drama and for many it's a joke. Forget South Korea, Chota Singapore has dozens of F-16

 

[Synergy]

I agree that SCS is the main issue in the minds of the Chinese.
But the defence of SCS does not lie in Ladakh.
When a country applies military force anywhere there has to be some good intention there that fulfils their national interests.
If Chinese are risking a war ... well the reason has to be that good.

If SCS is the main concern of China in what way can enacting amilitary drama on LAC help China ?

Let us identify that and maybe we will be closer to the target.

may be they are trying to settle LAC on their term before SCS episode.
then they will also secure GB in the negotiation process. then their Karakoram highway will be secured too.

and they have already hinted that (settle with 1959 claim line).

??

 

[cereal killer]

Ignorance is on you actually, you misread what I said. Brave men do not run away when odds are not in favor and I pointed Rezang La as an example of that. There are very many great instances around the world where minority fought majority or attempted to fight regardless of the end result. Hindus in Jammu was not the context here....they are called Kashmiri pandits not Jammu pandits. Jammu hindus would have joined the cause if Kashmiri pandits showed some heart....and rest of hindus from India too. Perhaps it is GOI then that is majorly at fault for not giving them that cofidence but it does not matter.
KP's first got shelter in Jammu when they fled from Kashmir. --
you stated it, why would someone flee their homeland without a fight? If they fought others would join the cause....

You do realise J&K is not like rest of Indian states.. It's like a issue of national security. How would've they fought when there was no support given to them? How can unarmed 10 people fight 100-200 armed people & they also have their families to look after.
Even police stations were empty coz there was so much fear of armed mobs.
Fortunately for KP's Kashmir was under its best most Patriotic Governor ever Sh Jagmohan... That helped them in getting safe exit passage.
Local politics was non existent.

Look what happens to Hindus in Kerala, WB where they are supposedly in majority but don't have any political backing... Kashmir is whole lot of a different universe compared to that.

 

[Kumata]

Bombers would simply move in with AEWACS, and defending squadron they simply would maneuver the gaps. Once they reach a potential good altitude to fire CJ10s they will. Make no mistake, they will.

AEWACS is the key, they have it and they will use it.

Well AEWACS do help but they will sweep remaining at the back..Moreover as and when they come.. we will have Our own AEWACS and Jammers picking them up from deep inside their own territory...

 

[hit&run]

PAALF is their weakest chip. Bombers operate neither in Air Dominance nor Air Superiority but Air Supremacy theater. The kind of air defence grid India has installed Chinese Bombers will only fly on suicide missions.

 

[mist_consecutive]

The Chinese are bout to formally declare their casualties last June.

Could be laying down ground work for invasion.

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