India-China 2020 Border conflict

[Cheran]

 

[Echelon Four]

That's really really interesting

This will fall in less than 12 hours when & if leadership grows a backbone

 

[Mikel]

Yeah resistance. Same thing they can't just take off come in carpet bomb n run. They will face some resistance and in War that resistance will be big one

They're more likely to target key installations with stand-off weapons

 

[UZI™️]

 

[bajiraopeshwa]

Interesting article by Le. Gen. Menon. Time China gets the message that coercion wont work against India. As the article mentions, China must understand that India is not risk averse and the days of "strategic restraint" are over

India-China relations on thin ice: Stand tough, stand tall

www.deccanherald.com

 

[UZI™️]

 

[Srinivas_K]

The Chinese intention is to settle the border. They thought they could take the last strategic positions that IA could overtake to threaten G219 or Chinese infra in that region. Their intention was to scare India by bringing their troops and a possible skirmish coupled with pressure at home via proxies to settle the border according to them so they can concentrate on SCS next year onwards or atleast keep India quiet till they can come back.

They still harbour this thought. Their main weapon is the possibility of war in a torn economy, like the sword of Damocles hanging overhead, if a true war starts that band aid will rip off.

However, they're stuck now.

They also thought to resolve uygur issue by putting them in concentration. They also resolved Tibet occupation problem by imperialistic designs, concentration camps and torture.

I feel pity for this monster called CCP which got stuck in Ladhak?

 

[omaebakabaka]

This is a OT debate.. But I'll still try.
Hindus in Jammu have always fought.. That's why they are still there. You seem a bit ignorant about geography here. KP's first got shelter in Jammu when they fled from Kashmir.
Rezang LA battle was not a regional scale war... It was fought under Indian Army banner.. they were Indians. Why are you bringing region into all this?
Ever heard about Brigadier Rajinder Singh? India's first MVC who wasn't even part of Indian army coz he was part of Dogra Army under Hari Singh.. Whose 150 men faught till last men last round.. Stopping thousands of Paki tribal forces for 4 crucial days.. That is why J&K got successfully accession of India.
Read GD Bakshi's book on his Exploits in Kishtwar... You'll get to know how Hindus have fought despite getting outnumbered.

Ignorance is on you actually, you misread what I said. Brave men do not run away when odds are not in favor and I pointed Rezang La as an example of that. There are very many great instances around the world where minority fought majority or attempted to fight regardless of the end result. Hindus in Jammu was not the context here....they are called Kashmiri pandits not Jammu pandits. Jammu hindus would have joined the cause if Kashmiri pandits showed some heart....and rest of hindus from India too. Perhaps it is GOI then that is majorly at fault for not giving them that cofidence but it does not matter.
KP's first got shelter in Jammu when they fled from Kashmir. --
you stated it, why would someone flee their homeland without a fight? If they fought others would join the cause....

 

[Synergy]

2 reasons:

- propaganda and show of power.
- these bombers can also be used for carpet bombing apart from firing cruise missiles.

but I think the aerial environment won't be ideal for a bomber to stroll around.

 

[scatterStorm]

That is my exact question if it's a long range cruise missile why do you need to move the bombers to the
border?? IMO the cruise missile is a lie. Either way air launched brahmos will clear any PLA airfields in Tibet.
Maybe USA will let us USE b-52's to strike at the heart of China?? B-2 's from diego Garica will also be active.

Acc. to RAND institute of US, they think Chinese leaders seek to achieve at least four key objectives with PLAAF bomber flights throughout the
region:

1. First, bombers enable Beijing to send a deterrence message or to signal resolve in the conventional military domain to defend its maritime territorial claims.

2. Second, over water bomber flights flights significantly enhance realistic training for PLAAF operators—for example, by allowing them to operate in areas they might use to launch cruise missile attacks against U.S. regional bases in a conflict scenario (taken form RAND study) I'll provide the source.

We can add that these bombers are there for training too.

3. Third, successful bomber flights offer Chinese leaders the opportunity to play up their achievements for domestic consumption, highlighting progress toward the building of “world-class” military forces, in line with President Xi Jinping’s aspirations laid out in his “China Dream.

4. Bomber flights pattern by RAND suggest that its a pressure tactics for Taiwan prez. Just like that its a pressure tactics for our PM.


Bombers, however, are a relatively new phenomenon for PLAF that is indicative of, in the words of one interlocutor, “salami-slicing tactics” designed to gradually expand Chinese influence and reduce the maneuvering room of an adversary in a contested region.

Bombers just cannot launch ALCM but also ALBM, putting Diego garcia at risk too, however there plan to reveal H20 bomber (so claimed to be stealth) is to be inducted in 2020.

Full report

 

[omaebakabaka]

but I think the aerial environment won't be ideal for a bomber to stroll around.

One reason is that they think they can achieve aerial dominance and bring in bombers after that....this is how typically bombers are employed in ranked air forces for non intercontinental missions.

 

[Gandaberunda]

They're more likely to target key installations with stand-off weapons

That's ain't carpet bombing

 

[Kumata]

i have a query about chinese bombers..

Even if they choose to go on mis adventure, how good are our air defences in neutralising them. Yes, they will be accompanied by fighters but scene have moved into BVR these days..How do these fighters protect them against something of rafael meteors ...

 

[Bleh]

That's good news for us... Now any of their ckaims on Kalapani d Limpiyadhura can be punched with it & dismissed as expansionist fantasy.

If they help Chinks against us with military passage or assistance, then it would be jackpot for us... & a great opportunity to seize the Mithila region as well as Lumbini from Nepal, to end the Buddha/Sita birthplace controversies.

They can't stand against Indian forces at plains.

 

[Kumata]

One reason is that they think they can achieve aerial dominance and bring in bombers after that....this is how typically bombers are employed in ranked air forces for non intercontinental missions.

And how do they acheive the aerial dominance .. with JF17's Vs SU 30 MKI 's...

 

[Mikel]

That's ain't carpet bombing

I know.

 

[scatterStorm]

It seems we are somewhere around the point but not able to pin point it. There has to be one factor that is connected with all .... let us identify that and somehow pay attention to deny that to the Chinese.

If we have to defeat China decisively, we must identify their intentions.

To me the intention is simple, they don't want us to be controlling Kashmir and IOK, and in future if we gain POK, there connectivity with Gwadar will be lost.

So its in there strategic interest to stay at Akasai, because if they loose G219 road (I am not sure the name) there entire logistics will be disrupted and won't fit inside the grand scheme of Vision China 2035. Plus a short war is a good PR for there own fuck up in there country. There is a power tussle going on inside CCP.

There salami slicing tactics has worked, but they now know that we are aware of it and current political leader is strong one unlike Congress.

Chinese always have long term plans, not short term ones.

 

[bajiraopeshwa]

The Iraqi's in 1991 iraq war had 4 of these same bombers H-6d. US shot down 3 of them.
Last one was shot down in second gulf war. Egypt also had this bomber.

Yes, but the US had air dominance in the region. Assuming the Rafale can ingress 200 km, a perimeter of 400 km could be secure but beyond that ? While Brahmos might be able to inflict damage on the airfield, the Syrian experience showed that airfields can be restored back quickly. Perhaps the bigger deterrent is that the Chinese airfields dont have hardened shelters so they would loose a lot of their hardware in the reprisal attack

 

[omaebakabaka]

And how do they acheive the aerial dominance .. with JF17's Vs SU 30 MKI 's...

Ha ha, those are operational strategies but thats what they think. Whether we get local air dominance or they get it depends on who aces who in tactics and strategies or neither get the dominance. But they may be training based on that....subsonic cruise missiles can be downed by fighters over long distances apart from AD systems.

 

[scatterStorm]

These slow moving bombers will be easily taken out by IAF. These are effective against terrorist or insurgents or in uncontested Air space only not against professional air force defending with full modern weapons. Carpet bombing my foot

They can be taken out if they fly alone, it would become difficult if it fly's with squadrons of MKKs or J10s defending them. PAF is also monitoring our air activity too. Its simply not that easy.