India-China 2020 Border conflict

[Assassin 2.0]

wohan virus, is a pandora box that has opened a lot of opportunities for biological war. You can infect the world and get away with it as a pandemic.
The catch is dont let the world know it's a lab-made virus.

I'm amused why wohan virus is not recognized as a part of a biological weapon. if not more, deadly virus strains are going to come in the name of pandemic.

If countries like india Russia USA France And EU accept that covid - 19 is a biologically created then according to doctrine these countries have to reply enemy with conventional or even non conventional weapons to cause more or equal damage to the enemy.
But it looks like no one is ready to strike Chinese heart land with न-weapons. Especially the US which have lost tons of its citizens.
This can be the reason why many countries are not acknowledging that this a lab virus.

 

[scatterStorm]

1. At Galwan.. at the confluence of Shyok and Galwan.. the PLA would cut off DSDBO road isolating subsector North to an extent.
2 . Then the division at Moldo would break out at Chushul, turn right head north towards Darbuk and dominate the Changla pass.. and stop reinforcement coming in.
3 From Tangtse they can swing towards Lukung.. while the troops on the northern bank of Pangong Tso march towards Phobrang thus capturing whole of Pangong complex and cutting off Indian positions at Gogra..
4. To cut off air connectivity to sub sector North, PLA mechanized divisions in depsang would attack DBO airstrip and occupy it. and move towards Murgo to cut off the Leh - Saser la - DBO road..
End state: Cut off and occupy whole of subsector North and also siachen down the road. Also, occupy whole of Pangong complex

Air connectivity is just not at DBO airstrip, we can make makeshift airstrips for logistics support. However, if they get the DBO airstrip, they'd simply use it as landing ground to push air-heli ops.

 

[scatterStorm]

preempt India having funny ideas when sh1t gets real in SCS.

watch any chinese forum, they are all expecting SCS to get hot, that is their main concern. Even here, they messed up their plans as it has lead to India troops being locked and loaded, so if sh1t gets real in SCS, they are stuffed for sure now.

Earlier there was a chance India would play NAM and stay out. Maybe they truly underestimated this govt ans thought no one will get a whiff and India will not even know enough or care, forget about being pushed back.

SCS wont get hot anytime soon, not until US presidential elections are over. Currently Biden is leading.

 

[Dessert Storm]

That's really really interesting

 

[omaebakabaka]

If countries like india Russia USA France And EU accept that covid - 19 is a biologically created then according to doctrine these countries have to reply enemy with conventional or even non conventional weapons to cause more or equal damage to the enemy.
But it looks like no one is ready to strike Chinese heart land with न-weapons. Especially the US which have lost tons of its citizens.
This can be the reason why many countries are not acknowledging that this a lab virus.

Any arm chair analyst can see west is broken, they have no unity and Obama was the reason as he pushed globalistic forces like Soros with impunity and destabilized the whole west with internal divisions. West can't do shit anymore other than their fascination with opposition leaders in Russia, Belarus and LGBTQ and so on. Germany is leading that cheer group and takes the crown for being top Chinese bitch.

India just needs to work its way and get its defence needs satisified by west but beyond that not much to look forward.

 

[scatterStorm]

this should give you hints

US intends to force China to 'fire first shot' over Taiwan - Global Times

www.globaltimes.cn

not to mention the US carriers hanging around and soaking it all in..

the SCS islands will fall first if China doesn't agree to US demands and believe me demands are being made daily. At some point US would have had enough and will want to show who is the boss..

And why do you think Taiwan citizens would want a war which is forced upon them. Who says they can't happily cut some deal like HK officials did.

 

[Gandaberunda]

2 reasons:

- propaganda and show of power.
- these bombers can also be used for carpet bombing apart from firing cruise missiles.

These slow moving bombers will be easily taken out by IAF. These are effective against terrorist or insurgents or in uncontested Air space only not against professional air force defending with full modern weapons. Carpet bombing my foot

 

[utubekhiladi]

These slow moving bombers will be easily taken out by IAF. These are effective against terrorist or insurgents or in uncontested Air space only not against professional air force defending with full modern weapons. Carpet bombing my foot

you have no idea. i will let you be alone in your lala land.

 

[Mikel]

These slow moving bombers will be easily taken out by IAF. These are effective against terrorist or insurgents or in uncontested Air space only not against professional air force defending with full modern weapons. Carpet bombing my foot

They will have dozens of escorts tbf and we'll have a limited window to stop them.

 

[Kumata]

SCS wont get hot anytime soon, not until US presidential elections are over. Currently Biden is leading.

There is a remote chance of SCS going hot. New japanese PM post Abe is a Nut and hawk rolled into One

 

[cereal killer]

Small number of muslims still fight.....that is what brave people do to make a point. There was not even a token uprising....there were enough hindus in Jammu area...when few stand up entire village might go with them. Tamils fought in SL and IA Rezang La battle and many more instances where groups and section of ethnic people put up a fight regardless of odds. How do you drive fear into enemy by palayan at first instance?

This is a OT debate.. But I'll still try.
Hindus in Jammu have always fought.. That's why they are still there. You seem a bit ignorant about geography here. KP's first got shelter in Jammu when they fled from Kashmir.
Rezang LA battle was not a regional scale war... It was fought under Indian Army banner.. they were Indians. Why are you bringing region into all this?
Ever heard about Brigadier Rajinder Singh? India's first MVC who wasn't even part of Indian army coz he was part of Dogra Army under Hari Singh.. Whose 150 men faught till last men last round.. Stopping thousands of Paki tribal forces for 4 crucial days.. That is why J&K got successfully accession of India.
Read GD Bakshi's book on his Exploits in Kishtwar... You'll get to know how Hindus have fought despite getting outnumbered.

 

[Gandaberunda]

They will have dozens of escorts tbf and we'll have a limited window to stop them.

So we don't attack the package? Let them bomb and run? LOL it's ain't hit n run era.

 

[Bhadra]

1. At Galwan.. at the confluence of Shyok and Galwan.. the PLA would cut off DSDBO road isolating subsector North to an extent.
2 . Then the division at Moldo would break out at Chushul, turn right head north towards Darbuk and dominate the Changla pass.. and stop reinforcement coming in.
3 From Tangtse they can swing towards Lukung.. while the troops on the northern bank of Pangong Tso march towards Phobrang thus capturing whole of Pangong complex and cutting off Indian positions at Gogra..
4. To cut off air connectivity to sub sector North, PLA mechanized divisions in depsang would attack DBO airstrip and occupy it. and move towards Murgo to cut off the Leh - Saser la - DBO road..
End state: Cut off and occupy whole of subsector North and also siachen down the road. Also, occupy whole of Pangong complex

That is a good take ... makes lot of sense.

But Chinese need some lesson in Military Science if they were to plan such a fantastic operation with two divisions - or take three. That too one is mechanized Division and another motorized Divions having only four infantry brigades between those. Take six at maximum. Or Mechanisation has let them down. It is not Lingzitang Plains, or Soda plains or Depsang plains or Chengchgenmo vally plains. Thre is a wall of Chengchenmo and Chipchap ranges to be broken. Only Infantry can do that.

If that was the intention it should have been executed almost on the march... as short swift and surprise operation even by launching some Helliborne Forces. But the way they were showing themselves in Galwan valley, it appears that military operation with that intention was not there.

They should have not waited so along having reached Shyol- Galwan confluence, three km inside Chengchenmo and Finger 4. Chusul was also lying almost unoccupied. ITBP had been thrown back without a shot.

But what stopped them?

Probably that was not the intention.

OK even if that is the intention there should have been at least six divisions there by now.

There is something more sinister about it.

Please try again...

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

Small number of muslims still fight.....that is what brave people do to make a point. There was not even a token uprising....there were enough hindus in Jammu area...when few stand up entire village might go with them. Tamils fought in SL and IA Rezang La battle and many more instances where groups and section of ethnic people put up a fight regardless of odds. How do you drive fear into enemy by palayan at first instance?

Muslims were supported by The political parties they had guns Hindus didn’t have guns give arms and ammunition to dogras or Kashmiri Pandit’s and see the results even 10% Hindus will fight and win and it has happened in some villages

 

[Mikel]

So we don't attack the package? Let them bomb and run? LOL it's ain't hit n run era.

I didn't say that. I'm saying it's not as simple as just taking off knocking them out of the sky. We'll face some resistance.

 

[Gandaberunda]

I didn't say that. I'm saying it's not as simple as just taking off knocking them out of the sky. We'll face some resistance.

Yeah resistance. Same thing they can't just take off come in carpet bomb n run. They will face some resistance and in War that resistance will be big one

 

[bajiraopeshwa]

One of China's main threats seems to be the H6 bomber. Can someone comment on the severity of the threat ? The scenario is one of multiple bombers taking off, firing lots of standoff weapons and then landing in a safe place beyond Tiber (if they have the endurance). This will invite reprisal bombings on the Chinese airfields but in theory the airfields can be repaired and the process can be repeated. What is India's defence against this ?

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars China planning to provide direct military funding to her client states (mainly Pakistan), similar to US providing it's allies with Coalition support funds. Pakistan's begging bowl adventures continue.

Wolf Pack.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

The Iraqi's in 1991 iraq war had 4 of these same bombers H-6d. US shot down 3 of them.
Last one was shot down in second gulf war.Rumor has it Iranian F-14 tomcat may have
shot down one in Iran-Iraq war? Egypt also had this bomber.

 

[Bhadra]

Thank you Sir.

1. prelude
-> it's our official stand that gb and Aksai area belong to us.
-> Balakot incident showed that our mentality is transforming from defensive to offensive (be it defensive offence).
-> Pak is in very bad shape and unable to counterweight us anymore.
-> removal of Art 370.
-> US dependence on Pak will end as soon as they will leave Afg. then US may side with us. so no more US pressure to leave gb as it is.

2. why Ladakh
-> G219 runs through Aksai and Karakoram highway through GB.
-> cutting Karakoram highway will mean they will be cutoff (if blockade at Malacca).
-> dsdbo road
-> again removal of Art 370.
-> we've broke backbone of terrorists in J&K.
-> UN reso on J&K

It seems we are somewhere around the point but not able to pin point it. There has to be one factor that is connected with all .... let us identify that and somehow pay attention to deny that to the Chinese.

If we have to defeat China decisively, we must identify their intentions.