India-China 2020 Border conflict

[Bhadra]

Indian Army operations in Ladakh this season has proved certain things;

* That Indian Army is capable of controlling information flow from the battleground. It is no more Bombay attack scene or Kargil Fiascos. Many journalists are not able to pass information or rather sell information to the other side.

* It has very badly exposed the ability of OSINT to manipulate and control information of the battle area. It has exposed chinks in satellite imagery technology as available in the public domain. PP14 and Galwan proved that beyond doubt and now Black Top is troubling the OSINT horribly. This aspect has burnt holes in the credibility of many jumpstarts like Shukla and Mitra Ayyars etc.

* That Infantry remains the arm of decision and no amount of mechanization, light tanks, motorized forces can substitute it, especially in mountains.

* If it was a testbed for testing Chinese Mechanised and Motorised Infantry Divisions, it can be considered as a failure so far.

* That in spite of all modernization, mechanization and restructuring leadership training is a battle-winning factor. The Chinese leadership tendency to fall back to mass waves and faith in share numbers continues to be their dominant military culture. They have not overcome the Chinese PLA guerrilla mindset and the culture of crows carrying political commissars.

* That Chinese are most untrustworthy and treacherous people not cable of keeping agreements or treaties.

* That the shots in the Chinese power structure are called by PLA rather than any diplomat or political leader and PLA has a much stronger hold over the Chinese power system than one would like to believe.

* That PLA is indeed facing difficulties in remaining and operating in High Altitude areas of Tibet, especially in difficult mountains. So far Indian MEA had been saving them by entering into unfavorable agreements even against professional advice.

 

[DownWithCCP]

So, you don't trust them but will believe their version when it showcases our side in negative light?

Yeah, I can see your motivation there.

So, you have two options. Either believe we have BT as leaked by govt. Or we don't, as leaked by Govt (did the same.sources say we threw Chinese equipment and then turned around and say we didn't?)

Please stop entertaining him, he doesn't answer questions and repeats the same set of responses for iterally everything."Ignore" is a really good button

 

[Sanglamorre]

Amidst all this Blacktop ranting we forgot about this

Laila majnu ekdin nahi mile toh dum nahi todh denge. Xd

Bhai itna chai date toh hum gf se bhi Nahi karte jitna GoI aur CCP apni commanders se karwata hai.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Where is the economic growth? It's heading into a disastrous economic recession and growth was halted prior to that, Q1 2020 was less than 4% ffs.

This Government was also the one who saw the Chinese take land in Galwan, Depsang, Finger 4 etc and THEN were duped by them AGAIN when they were agreed to "disengagement

World wide economic conditions are bad due to Chinese virus india is no exception.

This is the same government which have brought control over left alone ridges of 62 war.

This occurred two weeks ago, you fucking moron. TWO weeks ago

Why do you think that Government is bound to release information to public? And specially to entertain people? It's been two weeks but conflict is not anywhere close to be over and do you even know reaction of Government openly claiming that we have occupied enemy territory?

 

[ataru09]

So then none of this makes any sense.

None of it.

India has scaled heights on its own side of the LAC?

So that story of Indians trashing monitoring equipment. Chinese monitoring equipment on heights on Indian side of LAC?

So that story of Indians quickly scaling up heights. For what? They were Indian heights already, you're telling me that the Chinese were going to occupy Indian heights/territory? And not just claim zone but actual beyond LAC heights?

Bizarre. Very bizarre and very disappointed too, if it's true.

It takes one random guy mouthing shit for you to question everything? Talk about being credulous...

 

[shade]

World wide economic conditions are bad due to Chinese virus india is no exception.

This is the same government which have brought control over left alone ridges of 62 war.


Why do you think that Government is bound to release information to public? And specially to entertain people? It's been two weeks but conflict is not anywhere close to be over and do you even know reaction of Government openly claiming that we have occupied enemy territory?

Check his post history, from the last pages, not the recent ones.
It should make everything clear, behind why he is having such heartburn over blacktop
or why he is pretending to.

And stop replying to his FUD, there's no point arguing with an IT cell bot

 

[IndianYonko]

It's time people relearn the concept the gaslighting:
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11 Warning Signs of Gaslighting

Gaslighting is a tactic in which a person or entity, in order to gain more power, makes a victim question their reality. It works much better than you may think. Anyone is susceptible to gaslighting, and it is a common technique of abusers, dictators, narcissists, and cult leaders. It is done slowly, so the victim doesn't realize how much they've been brainwashed. For example, in the movie Gaslight (1944), a man manipulates his wife to the point where she thinks she is losing her mind.

1. They tell blatant lies.
You know it's an outright lie. Yet they are telling you this lie with a straight face. Why are they so blatant? Because they're setting up a precedent. Once they tell you a huge lie, you're not sure if anything they say is true. Keeping you unsteady and off-kilter is the goal.


2. They deny they ever said something, even though you have proof.
You know they said they would do something; you know you heard it. But they out and out deny it. It makes you start questioning your reality—maybe they never said that thing. And the more they do this, the more you question your reality and start accepting theirs.


3. They use what is near and dear to you as ammunition.
They know how important your kids are to you, and they know how important your identity is to you. So those may be one of the first things they attack. If you have kids, they tell you that you should not have had those children. They will tell you'd be a worthy person if only you didn't have a long list of negative traits. They attack the foundation of your being.


4. They wear you down over time.
This is one of the insidious things about gaslighting—it is done gradually, over time. A lie here, a lie there, a snide comment every so often...and then it starts ramping up. Even the brightest, most self-aware people can be sucked into gaslighting—it is that effective. It's the "frog in the frying pan" analogy: The heat is turned up slowly, so the frog never realizes what's happening to it.


5. Their actions do not match their words.
When dealing with a person or entity that gaslights, look at what they are doing rather than what they are saying. What they are saying means nothing; it is just talk. What they are doing is the issue.

6. They throw in positive reinforcement to confuse you.
This person or entity that is cutting you down, telling you that you don't have value, is now praising you for something you did. This adds an additional sense of uneasiness. You think, "Well maybe they aren't so bad." Yes, they are. This is a calculated attempt to keep you off-kilter—and again, to question your reality. Also look at what you were praised for; it is probably something that served the gaslighter.

7. They know confusion weakens people.
Gaslighters know that people like having a sense of stability and normalcy. Their goal is to uproot this and make you constantly question everything. And humans' natural tendency is to look to the person or entity that will help you feel more stable—and that happens to be the gaslighter.


8. They project.
They are a drug user or a cheater, yet they are constantly accusing you of that. This is done so often that you start trying to defend yourself, and are distracted from the gaslighter's own behavior.

9. They try to align people against you.
Gaslighters are masters at manipulating and finding the people they know will stand by them no matter what—and they use these people against you. They will make comments such as, "This person knows that you're not right," or "This person knows you're useless too." Keep in mind it does not mean that these people actually said these things. A gaslighter is a constant liar. When the gaslighter uses this tactic it makes you feel like you don't know who to trust or turn to—and that leads you right back to the gaslighter. And that's exactly what they want: Isolation gives them more control.

10. They tell you or others that you are crazy.
This is one of the most effective tools of the gaslighter, because it's dismissive. The gaslighter knows if they question your sanity, people will not believe you when you tell them the gaslighter is abusive or out-of-control. It's a master technique.

11. They tell you everyone else is a liar.
By telling you that everyone else (your family, the media) is a liar, it again makes you question your reality. You've never known someone with the audacity to do this, so they must be telling the truth, right? No. It's a manipulation technique. It makes people turn to the gaslighter for the "correct" information—which isn't correct information at all.

11 Red Flags of Gaslighting in a Relationship

You may be a victim of gaslighting—no one is immune. Learn what it is so you can identify it before it sucks you in.

www.psychologytoday.com

Why chats in this forum now remind of this post? I think we all have agreed about Black Top that different sources are available, but still, talks are going on from both sides, I think, believe what you want but don't impose it on others without confirmed sources. Simple.

 

[Holy Triad]

ITBP all set to send in fresh deployment at #LAC.
@AbhishekBhalla7
brings us this ground report from #Ladakh. #ITVideo #IndiaChinaStandOff

 

[Cheran]

 

[Suhaldev]

GOI is answerable to Indians. If IA is answerable to GOI then ergo IA is answerable to Indians.

Laughing in Official secrets act which is part of India always bigger than govt, army, people and its narrative.

 

[Suhaldev]

FATF Asia Pacific’s Joint Working Group meet on Tuesday & Wednesday virtually. Pakistan to be on the agenda.

 

[Suhaldev]

As chinese are good in deception, there can be a possibility that by diverting attention towards Eastern Ladhak they are silently preparing for Taiwan invasion during US election.

How plausible is this?

 

[johnq]

No government is going to release information regularly about war gains and losses, because tactical situations in a war are fluid, and the enemy can use it against you. For example, if a government were to say that the army has captured spot x, by the time the information is released to the public, the enemy may have recaptured spot x. So then the information would no longer be accurate. This is why a play-by-play update is worthless in a war: It's not a game.

 

[tarunraju]

Interesting views

Modi can repeat 1971 and ensure a 1962 in reverse - The Sunday Guardian Live

In absence of a clear understanding between India and US about mutual security, the Himalayan massif seems to be the option offering a higher chance of a

www.sundayguardianlive.com

tl;dr summary: If India doesn't formalize Quad, a 1962-scale defeat is very likely. Moscow is dissuading Delhi from entering the Quad. Moscow must be having something on Modi (carrots such as Afghanistan mining access or sticks such as killswitching Russian hardware), to dissuade him from joining Quad. The Chinese calculation is Modi will be fed enough NAMardgi coolaid that he'll try to fight China alone. And Beijing is counting on it.

Beijing has been cucked in the South China Sea by America's 100,000-ton BBCs, and is desperately looking for a military victory against a formidable (read: nuclear armed) opponent, before 2021 (CCP centenary year), so Xi's pee stain on the Great Hall of the People is indelible. Xi would have had his glory in 2021 if Jiang Zemin didn't spoil his plans with COVID-19 (while killing 1 million people around the world and wiping $10 trillion in global wealth). An Indian capitulation against the PLA now, will make China the undisputed leader of the Himalayan region.

Quad is the key. Quad is how India ensures 2021 ends in a disaster for Xi, the CCP corrects itself through its usual blood sweat and tears; and the rest of the world stops taking collateral damage for Beijing's internal politics.

Now you know why the west is increasingly hostile toward the CCP. It's the world's largest single political party, in which internal disputes play out on a global scale. And with China's growing economic clout, rival factions within the CCP will start waging proxy-wars involving other nations. In a democratic system, local elections contain much of these disputes. It will be a shit show.

India must win or the world is fucked.

 

[Synergy]

This occurred two weeks ago, you fucking moron. TWO weeks ago.

I don't think you spastics realise just how incompetent this Government is.

Where is the economic growth? It's heading into a disastrous economic recession and growth was halted prior to that, Q1 2020 was less than 4% ffs.

This Government was also the one who saw the Chinese take land in Galwan, Depsang, Finger 4 etc and THEN were duped by them AGAIN when they were agreed to "disengagement".

What I'd suggest for morons like you, unless you want to stay a 3rd world country for the rest of your life, is to question the Government/Army more.

still it's not the proper time to question govt/army as still it's ongoing. we can ask questions and decide after it's over.

if it's classified or sensitive, govt isn't bound to provide any information.

what should be the economic growth when we had more than a quarter (time) completely locked down?

economic recession isn't for India only. it's the situation of whole world and it may be far worse than great depression. and no govt is responsible for that other than China/Chinese virus.

yes, govt has seen this intrusion. but govt is taking measures to restore status quo ante. that's our objective. as it's not over yet, still we can't decide if we have achieved our objective or not. so no point in whining now.

I'm not finding any merit in this post of you, sorry.
(nothing personal).

 

[Romediablo]

If you guys wondering a surge in people visiting and commenting in this forum , it is because of bhumihar comments went virus which brought in many people here

 

[sorcerer]

‘Asian NATO’ presents opportunity

• By Yao Chung-yuan 姚中原
  
  
  During the US-India Strategic Partnership Forum’s third leadership summit on Aug. 31, US Deputy Secretary of State Stephen Biegun said that the US wants to partner with the other members of the Quadrilaterial Security Dialogue — Australia, India and Japan — to establish an organization similar to NATO, to “respond to ... any potential challenge from China.”He said that the US’ purpose is to work with these nations and other countries in the Indo-Pacific region to “create a critical mass around the shared values and interest of those parties,” and possibly attract more countries to establish an alliance comparable to NATO.

‘Asian NATO’ presents opportunity - Taipei Times

Bringing Taiwan to the World and the World to Taiwan

www.taipeitimes.com

Source : TaipeiTimes

 

[asingha94]

 

[Assassin 2.0]

The Government is answerable to people. What do you think elections are for?

MPs are REPRESENTATIVE of their constituencies AKA representative of Indians. This is Democracy 101.

Now if IA is answerable to MPs, commissions etc who are REPRESENTATIVES of their constituencies then the logic is simple.

Government should just feed a live stream from war room for the entertainment of some people?
Government is answerable to people but under wartime situation government have access to emergency power's and who is stopping you. You can take this case of government not releasing information to Supreme court even then you will lose the case as government will take Supreme Court in trust but they will not release information to you.
Btw if you think that Government is openly transparent about war and all then you are living in la la land. Government should do everything in it's power to uphold the interest of the country and to do that we need to counter propaganda warfare and need close eye on what is flowing out. In war information plays a critical role that's the reason why countries hide this information. First if we keep releasing information then enemy can use it to counter us and second it will harm our apatite to fight a war. War is dirty business and it requires to bomb some civilians of enemies to burning people out do you really think this information is for general public?
If you think with peace peace mindset then it's all cool just surrender the area and run away if someone want to win the war they need to control the information that's the reason why Chinese and porks keep tap on everything.


And there is also national secrecy act.

 

[daya]

Certain people are trying hard to make all of us believe that IA is not in a good position and we have lost territories to China. But, right now, I would like to inform all such morons that IA is in much better position and captured/stationed on very important strategic locations. And we have not only deployed matching numbers, but more than matching, believe it, if China decides to mis-adventure, it is going to be dearly, very dearly for China..