India-China 2020 Border conflict

[DownWithCCP]

and now IA has failed to take Black Top (either because of political will or lack of IA decisiveness)

Hmm that is a serious charge right there one of the very same people you quoted has said that black top is with us even @Hellfire has told that repeatedly and was even annoyed by someone's ignorance, please refer to his earlier tweets.Shiv aroor and several other credible sources too have said that not once but many time.
Questioning the army at this juncture is not a good thing to do because a lot of porkis and chink bots visit the forum and will use it to spread propaganda, even folks at BRF are being told not to criticize and question at this point in time, when the whole thing is behind us and especially when much more detailed info is made public is when we can actually play judge.

 

[shade]

IA is accountable to the Indian populace. It is the Indian populace that pays taxes that keeps the IA running.

Just like the Government is accountable to the Indian populace.

The dude in question means to say that IA will only tell the govt about actual military info about what geographical features it controls, further plans, predictions of what chongs will do, etc.

Civilians aren't told squat, even the chongs don't bother giving status updates to their 60 IQ population about every action their PLA takes.

Unless ofc it is a shooting war, all gloves are off, sticks with blades on them are replaced with small arms etc.

It is then that civilians are supposed to be given a "gist"( not the latest stuff in details, that's still Government eyes only ) about what is happening on the ground through proper media, in order to shield them from the effects of psy-war and acquire their support.

 

[ashdoc]

Yusuf trolling Chinese

 

[sorcerer]

US signs defence pact with Maldives

US signs defence pact with Maldives

The agreement is being as a timely signal to China, when Indian and Chinese soldiers are locked in a stand-off at the Line of Actual Control in Ladakh.

indianexpress.com

Oh Well! Now another defence deal with Srilanka will ensure china is kicked out of the IO Region

 

[DutchZZ]

Hmm that is a serious charge right there one of the very same people you quoted has said that black top is with us even @Hellfire has told that repeatedly and was even annoyed by someone's ignorance, please refer to his earlier tweets.Shiv aroor and several other credible sources too have said that not once but many time.
Questioning the army at this juncture is not a good thing to do because a lot of porkis and chink bots visit the forum and will use it to spread propaganda, even folks at BRF are being told not to criticize and question at this point in time, when the whole thing is behind us and especially when much more detailed info is made public is when we can actually play judge.

Hellfire? Who? Who's that?

Shiv has said it and then was directly contradicted by Vishnu, Nitin and Saurav Jha. Shiv isn't fullproof himself, he was propagating the F-16 engine myth during Balakot episode.

Forget P*kis and Chinkis. How many times do I have to say that they are subhuman hence their mindset is disgusting and should be beneath Indians?

 

[Bhadra]

As Lt Gen Panag and Lt Gen Hasnain have said, in that particular sector, India will be on the BACKFOOT significantly if they haven't taken those tops.

That partly shows that you do not understand ground realities.

There are many such places on LOC with Pakistan where the Pakistanis are on Top and IA is down below. Still both sides hold on. Poonch town and its defenses are surrounded by Pakistan from all sides with majestic heights. but in two wars- 1965 and 1971, Pakistanis have not been able to take even an inch of land from the Indians.

Such situation may also exist in Sikkim or Arunanchal also but that does not means we have overrun Chinese positions. IA has now climbed up to the highest ground on top of fingers. That does not mean the Chinese will run away from the fingers.

What the Generals stated is that Black Top is a very dominating feature in the area as it overlooks the adjoining features including Gurung Hill and Magar Hill. in 1962 it was used as a firm base for launching attacks on Gurung Hill and Magar Hill.

The same was the assessment about Mukpari which is Indian Hands, Mukpari dominates Magar Hill. Then if you have Rezangla and Rechinla with you the story of the occupation of Kailash Range becomes complete.

Le us hypothetically assume that Balck Top is being shared by Indians and Chinese. That in my opinion serves the purpose in providing depth to Gurung hill defenses. Even is half of Black Top is with India that is balle balle..

Black Top is in with us does not mean we are not on that feature. That may simply mean the top is with Chinese but other surrounds areas of the future are with us ... Chinese must be undergoing a bout of loose motion on top if it is so.

Look at the complete picture rather than one feature. The Complete Story is that all significant hill features of Kailash range spanning about 30 km are with India. The complete Spangur Gap and Moldo ball is under Indian domination. That is the story..

 

[DutchZZ]

The dude in question means to say that IA will only tell the govt about actual military info about what geographical features it controls, further plans, predictions of what chongs will do, etc.

Civilians aren't told squat, even the chongs don't bother giving status updates to their 60 IQ population about every action their PLA takes.

Unless ofc it is a shooting war, all gloves are off, sticks with blades on them are replaced with small arms etc.

It is then that civilians are supposed to be given a "gist"( not the latest stuff in details, that's still Government eyes only ) about what is happening on the ground through proper media, in order to shield them from the effects of psy-war and acquire their support.

Fine.

But someone leaked it. Someone leaked all the stories of smashing Chinese monitoring equipment, taking BOTH tops, someone leaked them anticipating the Chinese.

Obviously means they didn't care about info coming out.

Then all of a sudden they've backtracked, leaked that they don't have it, leaked that it has ALWAYS been in Chinese hands.

There's a serious credibility issue here.

 

[sorcerer]

IAF plans to set up Air Defence Radars in 3 Uttarakhand districts
The Indian Air Force (IAF) plans to set up Air Defence Radars in three border districts of Uttarakhand including Chamoli, Pithoragarh and Uttarkashi.


The IAF has also proposed to develop a new advance landing ground in the state for execution of its activities in hill areas of Uttarakhand.

IAF plans to set up Air Defence Radars in 3 Uttarakhand districts

The IAF has proposed to develop a new advance landing ground in the state for execution of its activities in hill areas of Uttarakhand.

indianexpress.com

 

[airtel]

Being a clean, honest IAS officer is an exception rather than the rule.

IAS has 100% similarities to Pak Army: a corrupt entity that embezzles the lion's share of public money, hunts down corner plots, settles kids abroad, directly interferes in the democratic processes of the country, etc. They have institutionalized their black money offshoring and laundering. It's a swamp.

In an ideal India, UPSC is done away with, and MBA grads are recruited from the free market to run the executive, as they are in most developed nations, with corporate oversight and glass doors (you don't perform, you're sacked, like in any private job) .

Great idea , now children of those same IAs officers /mafias/politicians can get top decision making positions in government organisations , without passing any examination .


After change in government those officials Will be replaced by relatives by of opposition parties , same process will be repeated


Btw what is the criteria for ministers are they MBA graduates too ? What is the qualification of Nirmala sitharaman and smriti Irani or Modi ?? What is the salary of MBA graduates of top colleges ? Compare that to IAS officers ? Why anybody would leave their high paying job in metropolitan cities and work honestly in far flung rural areas of Rajasthan , up, Bihar or Nagaland for salary equivalent to peanuts and no job security ??

 

[DutchZZ]

That partly shows that you do not understand ground realities.

There are many such places on LOC with Pakistan where the Pakistanis are on Top and IA is down below. Still both sides hold on. Poonch town and its defences are surrounded by Pakistan from all sides with majestic heights. but in tow wars- 1965 and 1971, Pakistanis have not been able to take even an inch of land from the Indians.

Such situation may also exist in Sikkim or Arunanchal also but that does not means we have overrun Chinese positions. IA has now climbed up to the highest ground on top of fingers. That does not mean the Chinese will run away from fingers.

What the Generals stated is that Black Top is a very dominating feature in the area as it overlooks the adjoining features including Gurung Hill and Magar Hill. in 1962 it was used as a firm base for launching attacks on Gurung Hill and Magar Hill.

The same was the assessment about Mukpari which is Indian Hands, Mukpari dominates Magar Hill. Then if you have Rezangla and Rechinla with you the story of occupation of Kailash Range becomes complete.

Le us hypothetically assume that Balck Top is being shared by Indians and Chinese. That in my opinion serves the purpose in providing depth to Gurung hill defenses. Even is half of Black Top is with India that is balle balle..

Black Top is in with us does not mean we are not on that feature. That may simply mean the top is with Chinese but other surrounds ares of the future are with us ... Chinese must be undergoing a bout of loose motion on top if it is so.

Look at the complete picture rather than one feature. The Complete story is that all significant hill features of Kailash range spanning about 30 km are with India. The complete Spangur Gap and Moldo ball is under Indian domination. That is the story..

Wrong! Wrong! And wrong!

The story is that Panag has explicitly said, taking into account manoeuvres mentioned above, that it is absolutely critical. His EXACT words were that without Black Top, the operations were "useless" hence why I asked, do you know more than Lt Gen Hasnain and Panag?

This is what he RT'd too -

"let me stick my neck out. Nothing will come of it. We will sit it out thru winter up there. The chinese will retain gains but thin out knowing we won't walk across. Status quo will firm in. Bihar, bengal etc will follow. Santosh's award on republic day "

 

[Sanglamorre]

Hence why I literally said that there should be a CREDIBLE and CONSISTENT source to leak the info. One that whenever they speak up, we know they're telling the truth. If something is to our detriment, keep it quiet.

Okay, how is that going to work? Let's say you have a source A who gives correct info. Now, Sources B, C, D say something contrary. Both of the versions are plausible. Now, if source A is unofficial, then how will you trust them? If you trust A no matter what, why won't you trust current sources?

There isn't anything like unofficial but gives out government truths. Then everyone will take it as "official" source, like Gokhale was/is. You can't just keep mum on detrimental truths, then it just confirms the other version.

Let's say, Chinese claim Antonio Maino eloped with 11 Ping Pong. Everyone asks govt "unofficial official" Gitin Nokhale if it's true. Now for some reason GoI can't let this news out. But they can't simply skip the question. So Ace Reporter Gitin has to say no, Maino didn't run away with ping pong. It may seem Maino under the pink tent, but it's actually camiflagued and Ping pong's 3rd wife. She just looks like Maino because of the satellites think camo is pink coloured. There you go.

 

[DownWithCCP]

Shiv has said it and then was directly contradicted by Vishnu, Nitin and Saurav Jha. Shiv isn't fullproof himself.

So are Vishnu, Nitin(especially after the galwan tent incident) and you are implying that all the ex-servicemen are all wrong and it is these people who are correct 100%?

Forget P*kis and Chinkis. How many times do I have to say that they are subhuman hence their mindset is disgusting and should be beneath Indians?

Sadly that doesn't deter them from spreading propaganda and fake news and there are many people(Indians) who like to suck up to that and pose questions and raise doubts about the army and GOI that are baseless to begin with in the first place.

Several examples can be seen, like that one article from The Hindu and even today's article on The Hindu subtly trying to influence people's opinion and make them feel helpless.

 

[etantra]

This occurred two weeks ago, you fucking moron. TWO weeks ago.

I don't think you spastics realise just how incompetent this Government is.

Where is the economic growth? It's heading into a disastrous economic recession and growth was halted prior to that, Q1 2020 was less than 4% ffs.

This Government was also the one who saw the Chinese take land in Galwan, Depsang, Finger 4 etc and THEN were duped by them AGAIN when they were agreed to "disengagement".

What I'd suggest for morons like you, unless you want to stay a 3rd world country for the rest of your life, is to question the Government/Army more.

uh oh.. you belong to the Mudi must rejiiinnnneee camp...

no point entertaining your gaslighting

 

[shade]

Fine.

But someone leaked it. Someone leaked all the stories of smashing Chinese monitoring equipment, taking BOTH tops, someone leaked them anticipating the Chinese.

Obviously means they didn't care about info coming out.

Then all of a sudden they've backtracked, leaked that they don't have it, leaked that it has ALWAYS been in Chinese hands.

There's a serious credibility issue here.

>leaked.

Anything and everything you heard good/bad could be facts or it could be random bs published in an article saying "my sources have told me ".
For you and me as civilians there no way to "confirm" anything, it's all "up in the air" so to speak.
Journalists and Twitter OSINTs technically don't have any "credibility" tbh, people to choose to believe or not.

nvm

This occurred two weeks ago, you fucking moron. TWO weeks ago.

I don't think you spastics realise just how incompetent this Government is.

Where is the economic growth? It's heading into a disastrous economic recession and growth was halted prior to that, Q1 2020 was less than 4% ffs.

This Government was also the one who saw the Chinese take land in Galwan, Depsang, Finger 4 etc and THEN were duped by them AGAIN when they were agreed to "disengagement".

What I'd suggest for morons like you, unless you want to stay a 3rd world country for the rest of your life, is to question the Government/Army more.

Did you lose your way to r/india ?
btw fuck right off to Canada or wherever you types keep crying about MODI BAD want to go

 

[sorcerer]

'Plain Hopeless': Wild Chinese PLA Bazooka Misfire Ends In Heavy Trolling Of China Stooge
The video is shared by Yusuf Unjhawala, Editor of Indian Defence Forum, on Twitter where he has tagged Hu Xijin and asked, "Dear Hu Xijin -- this your equipment and training." In the two-minute-long video, the alleged chinese officer can be seen holding the rocket launcher the wrong way around while firing it. A major disaster was averted as the people standing beside the officer had a lucky escape after the rocket was fired into the ground and it bounced back violently swinging the officer pell-mell.

'Plain Hopeless': Wild Chinese PLA bazooka misfire ends in heavy trolling of China stooge- Republic World

Amid the border tensions between India and China at the LAC in Ladakh, Editor of Chinese Communist Party's (CCP) mouthpiece Global Times, Hu Xijin every now and then tries taking potshots at India, even as the mouthpiece media itself warmongers and postures the same way. The Chinese stooge also...

www.republicworld.com

 

[DutchZZ]

Okay, how is that going to work? Let's say you have a source A who gives correct info. Now, Sources B, C, D say something contrary. Both of the versions are plausible. Now, if source A is unofficial, then how will you trust them? If you trust A no matter what, why won't you trust current sources?

There isn't anything like unofficial but gives out government truths. Then everyone will take it as "official" source, like Gokhale was/is. You can't just keep mum on detrimental truths, then it just confirms the other version.

Let's say, Chinese claim Antonio Maino eloped with 11 Ping Pong. Everyone asks govt "unofficial official" Gitin Nokhale if it's true. Now for some reason GoI can't let this news out. But they can't simply skip the question. So Ace Reporter Gitin has to say no, Maino didn't run away with ping pong. It may seem Maino under the pink tent, but it's actually camiflagued and Ping pong's 3rd wife. She just looks like Maino because of the satellites think camo is pink coloured. There you go.

I'll trust Source A, without a shadow of a doubt, just like how folk in here are EXACTLY trusting Hellfire.

It's really that simple.

You lot are making this out to be complicated ffs. It is 1 + 1. The IA/GOI leaked info about taking it in the first place so don't tell me that (a) it's sensitive or (b) we shouldn't know. They have ALREADY leaked it and leaked it to MULTIPLE journalists.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

IA is accountable to the Indian populace. It is the Indian populace that pays taxes that keeps the IA running.

Just like the Government is accountable to the Indian populace.

You are having it the other way round.. People elected the government.. and the will of the people in a parliamentary democracy is reflected through its MPs.. who form the government. IA is only answerable to GOI, not you and me. And also, learn to live with uncertainty.. on the whole matter of black top.

 

[DownWithCCP]

mods can we ban the word black top? It is very similar to Balakot air strike epsiode

 

[sorcerer]

How to burst CCP’s balloon
Wentworth, Canada: So, the first thing to understand—and this is important—is that the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) believes it can rank countries based on what it calls Comprehensive National Power (CNP). It has an equation for it and everything.

,.....

It’s also why, just because China withdraws in one area, it doesn’t mean it’s



So, what to do? Pushing back against Comprehensive National Power requires Comprehensive National Defence (CND), and India has already started doing the needful.


Among the other defensive moves, there have been restrictions on Chinese FDI, on visas for Chinese, the arrest of a dubious Chinese hawala trader, redeployment of the Indian Navy, and the elegant ban on Chinese apps.

The apps were perfect CCP Comprehensive National Power tools—they siphoned metadata to develop China’s AI weaponization; they allowed communications intercepts for blackmail, intelligence and corporate advantage; they made their Chinese parent companies a lot of money, and more. The Narendra Modi government’s decision to ban them showed a deep understanding of the nature of Comprehensive National Power and the need for Comprehensive National Defence.
...


The CCP hates it when we work together to defend ourselves. And it is not alone. The CCP is enlisting its partners to try to keep us weak and apart. And one of its major partners is Russia.

How to burst CCP’s balloon - The Sunday Guardian Live

The thing that scares the CCP even more than a country pushing back on multiple fronts, is countries banding together to multiply their ability to push

www.sundayguardianlive.com

A good Read! to understand how china and CCP operates and how India is screwing the Gspot of She (xi)

 

[etantra]

@dutchzzz do you even know where blacktop is??

stop acting like a child and asking silly questions in midst of a conflict.. You want to trust Nitin, go ahead and do so.. others trust other sources. Stop letting your hatred of Modi allow you to patronise anti-indian narratives while pretending you are looking for india's interest

here is a map link for the area... play around in 3D mode.. tilt, pan and zoom and look at the locations... then tell us what you understand of Blacktop, and other peaks

33°37'36.2"N 78°47'17.9"E · 33.626722, 78.788306

goo.gl

I am tempted to ignore your rantings, seems designed to bog down discussions and is a common troll tactic