IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

[Arsalan123]

Don't believe it then, what's new?
Did you guys believe Dhaka fell? Did you guys believe that you lost 1965? Did you guys believe that Kargil was an international blunder which causes buttpain to Pakistan everywhere
Did you guys believe Osama was in Pakistan?
Reality is pakishitstainis are inbred lot who don't have an iota of brains. What they conveniently forget is that the new Indian generation, born after 1947; does not care about shared history , culture and what not. So you won't get an iota of sympathy here. All the actions of pak-shit-stain in past two decades is gonna blow back to nwfp and KPK once USA withdrawal from Afghanistan.
We don't really care about you. Earlier generation did, we don't! And Modi personifies this emotion.
So remember, don't ask for mercy next time you splutter you inbred paki mongrel howls here, you will be met with same language. Cause there is an adage in the hospital that we work, a cancer and a paki, has to be killed off, you don't expect them to be civilized. They will ask for more for every inch you give to them.

Also, just for your info. Terrorist attacks on Indian civilians stopped after that school attack, didn't they?

i believe we lost wars but it's okay.i think i am also a human and not a pork lol.british used to do these types of things against both of us,both muslims and hindus.british introduced these type of things.do you remember indian rebellion of 1857? that's why i feel sad.

 

[Joker]

i have seen many indian members like i am sorry,not sorry,sr nair,they always speak aggressively but kindly look at here.they either ban me on different threads or call me dog or traitor or porki or things like that.this terrifies me.

Ohhhh so you are concerned about your freedom of speech????
That too on Indian forum. Please fu*k off

 

[Neptune]

at least on pdf,indian members can also speak aggressively unlike this forum.

No they can't, it seem dozens of Indians have been banned recently for questioning the narrative. Threads reporting that an F-16 got shot down get automatically deleted but there has been countless threads, possibly dozens about how Pakistan downed an SU-30 (which they didn't) even my posts were all deleted and I was accused of trolling when I asked for proof of an SU-30 shootdown. The moderators didn't even have the courage to debate me, they only started talking trash after deleting my comments and banned me--so brave and fair of them. I simply was not allowed to participate on an open discussion forum because my arguments hurt some egos. The moderators then started joining in the conspiracy theories.

i have been banned on "indian strikes against pakistani terrorism" thread just because indian members don't want any pakistani member.how can you run a forum when you ban people from other countries without any reason?

I have been a member on PDF for many years and never had problems with you. Then again we hardly ever interacted but I will say many moderators on PDF have foul mouths and throw their weight around and send threatening PMs to people including me. I'm not sure as to your specific situation. It's unfortunate if you were banned for speaking your mind but the moderators on PDF need to get their acts together too. Their actions have caused a lot of reasonable and knowledgeable members to leave.

It's unfortunate if anyone insulted you or anyone on a personal level. I hope you enjoy your stay here and hopefully some people here will show you more respect.


But it's a two way road. The moderators on PDF didn't like my difficult questions and didn't appreciate that I busted their conspiracies which made them look like toddlers. Actions have consequences. I go around to different forum and platforms debunking those same claims that hurt egos on PDF which I never did before. I never spoke ill of Pakistanis on PDF. I never questioned their delusional claims or ever talked about any Pakistani lies but because of the abuse and sensorship I have simply went to different platforms to discuss not only the recent flairup between India and Pakistan but many other Pakistani delusions and lies such as their past air-to-air victories in which many were outright cartoon like lies or Pakistanis harboring Osama. So the moderators on PDF just made things worse. Their actions caused the opposite effect.

 

[vampyrbladez]

i am sorry but i haven't seen people on different world forums treating pakistani like dogs or porkies or terrorist.this terrorist narrative comes after american help.india was crying for the same terrorism issue in the past but americans didn't pay any attention.now they have failed in afghanistan and taking revenge by making india it's friend against pakistan and yes americans are helping india to counter pakistan on this terrorism issue.you can't say that world is behaving like this like that.it's only on this forum that i have been treated like this,like a dog.very sad.

Your country is the poison tree of this world. All venom flows from there. If it's shade covers an inch of our sacred soil, we shall burn it to the ground.

"YATO DHARMA TATO JAYA!"

 

[Neptune]

Please show Arsalan123 some respect. I really don't see him deserving of such treatment and he has at least been professionally on PDF. Let him have his say, perhaps he has something to add. What fun is it when everyone has the same opinions and no one can challenge anyone?

 

[vampyrbladez]

Please show Arsalan123 some respect. I really don't see him deserving of such treatment and he has at least been professionally on PDF. Let him have his say, perhaps he has something to add. What fun is it when everyone has the same opinions and no one can challenge anyone?

Difference of opinion is not the same as spin. Everyone here including I take turns vehemently criticizing stupid govt. decisions. However we stick by it in times of national need.

One cannot get banned on PDF for speaking one's mind and then other party comes here looking for a shoulder to cry on.

 

[Enquirer]

at least on pdf,indian members can also speak aggressively unlike this forum.i have been banned on "indian strikes against pakistani terrorism" thread just because indian members don't want any pakistani member.how can you run a forum when you ban people from other countries without any reason? i don't know what kind of setup is this? mods are crazy.at least you should give chance to others so that they can also speak.here is a tradition that anyone who speak against your interest will be banned.this can't be true.these type of things don't happen on pdf.they warn if someone give abuses or talk about religion but not allowing someone to speak just because he is a pakistani,that's ridiculous.members were making fun of me like they don't know that i have been banned from that specific thread.i mean this is crazy lol.i have seen many members who asked mods to take action against me because i am pakistani.are you sure that you only want indians on this forum? do you want people from other countries to say something on your threads? i am not sure.i don't know if they ban me on this thread too.it seems likely.lol

Are you kidding me?
I was banned multiple times from PDF for speaking facts! I argued with their Mods...who told me explicitly that the forum will not entertain any questions/criticisms on Paki army!!!

I don't advocate banning anyone!

However, you were getting annoying by questioning not just current facts but some age old stuff!!!
And worse, you don't know any facts....not interested in learning any facts....when facts look you in the eye, you just ignored it.

So, despite my chagrin against banning anyone....I don't miss discussing stuff with you

 

[Indx TechStyle]

i believe we lost wars but it's okay.i think i am also a human and not a pork lol.british used to do these types of things against both of us,both muslims and hindus.british introduced these type of things.do you remember indian rebellion of 1857? that's why i feel sad.

Things became totally different in 20th century. Muslims didn't fight for cause of freedom but for the Khalifa of Turkey.

i have seen many indian members like i am sorry,not sorry,sr nair,they always speak aggressively but kindly look at here.they either ban me on different threads or call me dog or traitor or porki or things like that.this terrifies me.

I don't really get what you wanna say. We are banned very often even when I win against any argument against Mod/Admin there or prove him wrong technically. Their "THINK TANK ANALYSTS" are even more pathetic.

It all depends upon luck. Pakistanis allow Indian members to earn shekels. But when someone becomes threat to their agenda, he will be banned in no time.

 

[Enquirer]

i am sorry but i haven't seen people on different world forums treating pakistani like dogs or porkies or terrorist.this terrorist narrative comes after american help.india was crying for the same terrorism issue in the past but americans didn't pay any attention.now they have failed in afghanistan and taking revenge by making india it's friend against pakistan and yes americans are helping india to counter pakistan on this terrorism issue.you can't say that world is behaving like this like that.it's only on this forum that i have been treated like this,like a dog.very sad.

The plain FACT is Pakistan was America's bitch for several decades. US used Pakis, AND paid them very well.
Pakis LOVED that kind of relationship - become a bitch to anyone who'll shower money on them.....Saudis, Chinese etc etc!

Pakis take all the money, and when the money dries up.....like an unclassy cheap slut starts embarrassing the former client !!!!

 

[Arsalan123]

No they can't, it seem dozens of Indians have been banned recently for questioning the narrative. Threads reporting that an F-16 got shot down get automatically deleted but there has been countless threads, possibly dozens about how Pakistan downed an SU-30 (which they didn't) even my posts were all deleted and I was accused of trolling when I asked for proof of an SU-30 shootdown. The moderators didn't even have the courage to debate me, they only started talking trash after deleting my comments and banned me--so brave and fair of them. I simply was not allowed to participate on an open discussion forum because my arguments hurt some egos. The moderators then started joining in the conspiracy theories.











I have been a member on PDF for many years and never had problems with you. Then again we hardly ever interacted but I will say many moderators on PDF have foul mouths and throw their weight around and send threatening PMs to people including me. I'm not sure as to your specific situation. It's unfortunate if you were banned for speaking your mind but the moderators on PDF need to get their acts together too. Their actions have caused a lot of reasonable and knowledgeable members to leave.

It's unfortunate if anyone insulted you or anyone on a personal level. I hope you enjoy your stay here and hopefully some people here will show you more respect.


But it's a two way road. The moderators on PDF didn't like my difficult questions and didn't appreciate that I busted their conspiracies which made them look like toddlers. Actions have consequences. I go around to different forum and platforms debunking those same claims that hurt egos on PDF which I never did before. I never spoke ill of Pakistanis on PDF. I never questioned their delusional claims or ever talked about any Pakistani lies but because of the abuse and sensorship I have simply went to different platforms to discuss not only the recent flairup between India and Pakistan but many other Pakistani delusions and lies such as their past air-to-air victories in which many were outright cartoon like lies or Pakistanis harboring Osama. So the moderators on PDF just made things worse. Their actions caused the opposite effect.

Thanks for your kind words neptune.i agree with you.i don't know why admins on PDF deleted f-16 post.recently I shared Tom Cooper comments on PDF and even asked members to find the truth.basically I asked the same question there regarding f-16 and some members ridiculed me.i know it's very difficult to save f-16 from a missile.from different online videos,I have spotted smoke trails.a smoke trail at low altitude and we know paf was flying low so I am sure something bad happened.i am also patriotic but I support truth.

 

[Neptune]

Thanks for your kind words neptune.i agree with you.i don't know why admins on PDF deleted f-16 post.recently I shared Tom Cooper comments on PDF and even asked members to find the truth.basically I asked the same question there regarding f-16 and some members ridiculed me.i know it's very difficult to save f-16 from a missile.from different online videos,I have spotted smoke trails.a smoke trail at low altitude and we know paf was flying low so I am sure something bad happened.i am also patriotic but I support truth.

You have been reasonably my friend. Everyone has their biases and lean one way or another and no matter how painful it is the truth has to come to light. We should always question and allow people to express opinions and share thoughts on a forum. Unfortunately PDF has been high-jacked, prior to 2015 it was a open forum Where moderators were very tolerant, things have changed rapidly now, its more of a North Korean style run system now. No offense. Perhaps they will get better.

I am neither Indian or Pakistani. I am very interested in the real story, I have found errors in both the Pakistani narrative and the Indian narrative. I expressed criticism from both sides. I admittedly take the Pakistani position with a lot of skepticism though based on their less then stellar track record of telling the truth. With that said, I am interested in anything you have to post about the events that took place.

There has been a lot of fake videos going around claiming so and so was shot down only to be debunked as fake/from Syria. So far we have what appears to be a real video that shows two objects falling from the sky. The question remain, is it two aircraft or just one aircraft and smoke trail/debris from the Mig-21 with an F-16 circling or visa versa?

Why was the Mig-21 debris so recognizable if it crashes from such high altitude? So then was it really a Mig-21 in the video?

Why and how did a Mig-21 get so far into Pakistani airspace especially since Pakistan was expecting retaliation? Is it not unreasonable that the Mig-21 could have downed an F-16 especially if it surprised the Pakistanis Air Force in their own airspace? If an F-16 was shot down where did it crash?

There is a lot of unknowns so far. Maybe nothing happened, maybe only a Mig-21 was shot down? Maybe other aircraft got shot down? It's interesting to discuss.

PS I'm not the same Neptune as on PDF, I have a different name there.

 

[White Wolf]

Pakistanis are the epitome of 'makkaari'. These rats say India is hiding the truth but at the same time use Indian news to run everything that is posted at their stinky forums. You remove news reportage by transparent Indian media and press they will have nothing to the debate but boob sizes behind kurta of their face whitened dumb news reporters.

Exactly bro, they are manipulating the India news reports to claim anything and everything.
Here I am sharing an example with you guys. Recently I was the thread of PDF regarding how PAF downed an SU-30 in their dreams. Those pakis showed a cut clip of 10s of an India Today video and grossly started mis-interpreting it.
I am sharing a link of an India Today clip which is being grossly misinterpreted by illiterate paki fools to strengthen their fake claim of downing an SU-30 MKI. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKrAja1d3Gc
Paki fools took the initial 10 seconds of the video and are spreading it like wildfire. Here's what the anchor meant by what he said initially. He actually gave two different statements initially.
Statement 1: An F-16 shot down.( By which he referred to the shooting down of an F-16 by Mig-21 Bison)
Statement 2: A Sukhoi Su-30 MKI chased away the F-16's across LOC( which they did by countering the AMRAAMS)
These are two different statements one can clearly comprehend by looking at the complete video, but the dumb Pakis on that thread cannot understand that.
They are simply mixing up the two statements and wetting their pants thinking the Statement is "An F-16 shot down/An SU-30 MKI"( The rest portion of the second statement is cut from the video)
I tried making an account on PDF to clear this up but it's not that easy to reply on their threads, thanks to the mods,so I dropped the idea.

 

[Punya Pratap]

Let's understand a few things in India Pakistan relationship, Arsalan123 so you may have a better understanding:

Pakistan state is driven by a poisonous agenda and that is cause of a World wide isolation of your country. This is unfortunate as I believe a common man of either my country or your country would rather live in a neighborhood where peace and progress is a common goal whereas Pakistan and it's Deep State is hurling itself to hell and trying to drag us along which we won't allow at any cost. The itony is that the so called protectors of Islam preaching from the pulpets of Pakistani mosques are yet to even say a word against the oppressors of the Uyghurs cause your country is China's slave and soon the Chinkies are going to own Pakistan in every sense so I feel sad for the people of Pakistan who had to swallow their pride when Americans were f@#king your country and now the same things repeating with China.... You are right, we fought together against the British who treated us like dogs and no one has the right to treat you or us like one but ask your self that after independence India has followed a policy of attaining a respectable international status and Pakistan has wilfully sold itself to the highest bidder (1st Americans and now the Chinese) so it's small wonder you don't enjoy much of a prestige world over.... A Pakistani passport causes the security establishment of most countries in the west a heads-up. Now why did Pakistan sell itself twice over after gaining independence from British who treated us like dogs whereas India never allowed anyone else cause we learnt our lessons and put our self pride over everything else whereas Pakistan put its pathological hatred for India over their self pride and created an environment of jihadi terror that is hurting your country the most.

 

[sayareakd]

Now we have much better understanding of what has happened, after reviewing lot of videos of incident. 3 Parachutes, two we can prove. Third also exist. Two planes going down we can prove. All videos saved.

Broad Location of crash site identified. Now pain staking work looking and geo tagging that site.

 

[sayareakd]

If any one find any video of encounter please post it and marked to me.

 

[sayareakd]

Thanks, I saw your earlier post too!
@sayareakd This should help in locating the F16!

I posted that info others pick it up.

 

[hit&run]

Exactly bro, they are manipulating the India news reports to claim anything and everything.
Here I am sharing an example with you guys. Recently I was the thread of PDF regarding how PAF downed an SU-30 in their dreams. Those pakis showed a cut clip of 10s of an India Today video and grossly started mis-interpreting it.
I am sharing a link of an India Today clip which is being grossly misinterpreted by illiterate paki fools to strengthen their fake claim of downing an SU-30 MKI. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKrAja1d3Gc
Paki fools took the initial 10 seconds of the video and are spreading it like wildfire. Here's what the anchor meant by what he said initially. He actually gave two different statements initially.
Statement 1: An F-16 shot down.( By which he referred to the shooting down of an F-16 by Mig-21 Bison)
Statement 2: A Sukhoi Su-30 MKI chased away the F-16's across LOC( which they did by countering the AMRAAMS)
These are two different statements one can clearly comprehend by looking at the complete video, but the dumb Pakis on that thread cannot understand that.
They are simply mixing up the two statements and wetting their pants thinking the Statement is "An F-16 shot down/An SU-30 MKI"( The rest portion of the second statement is cut from the video)
I tried making an account on PDF to clear this up but it's not that easy to reply on their threads, thanks to the mods,so I dropped the idea.

How ironic is that they quote Indian news for one incident but the same newspaper exposing them becomes Hindu propaganda.

Sometimes I feel pity for them seeing struggling with lies and always on survival mode gasping to live just another day on invented lies.

 

[Enquirer]

How ironic is that they quote Indian news for one incident but the same newspaper exposing them becomes Hindu propaganda.

Sometimes I feel pity for them seeing struggling with lies and always on survival mode gasping to live just another day on invented lies.

Pakis excel at that deception!!!!
You should hear them claim credit for defeating Soviets by their sheer ingenuity in channeling American money
AND
also claim that they are victims of an America imposed war......ALL IN THE SAME SENTENCE!!!!

They'll say that all Indians and specifically Indian media if fully biased and spreading lies AND at the same time they'll ridicule your stand by saying look 'your own people and your own media is saying this against India'

 

[tsunami]

whatever... this can't hide a fact that we had a bloody nose on 27th Feb.... They entered IOK, made MKI helpless, shot down Bison,maybe MKI too. Took away our pilot with them.... This is second time we had to beg for our pilots life after pilot nachiketa in kargil war.... that time also he was flying Mig 21 and in 2019 also we sent Mig 21 proudly to intercept F-16.... Agreed on Mig 21 but whats the use of mighty Flanker who was not even given a chance to fire its own missiles....

Now lets look at the fact that what a stupidity was shown by IAF by not expecting any response from PAF after balakot strike... they were so casual that after seeing PAF jets they were actually like WTF???

Imagine instead of India some country like Israel was involved in such circumstances???? Today PAF response would have been handled in completely diffrent and decisive manner....

Akhand Chutiyapa BC........ Only a goat fucking Pig can have this level of stupidity.

 

[DivineHeretic]

These are two different statements one can clearly comprehend by looking at the complete video, but the dumb Pakis on that thread cannot understand that.
They are simply mixing up the two statements and wetting their pants thinking the Statement is "An F-16 shot down/An SU-30 MKI"( The rest portion of the second statement is cut from the video)
I tried making an account on PDF to clear this up but it's not that easy to reply on their threads, thanks to the mods,so I dropped the idea.

How ironic is that they quote Indian news for one incident but the same newspaper exposing them becomes Hindu propaganda.

Sometimes I feel pity for them seeing struggling with lies and always on survival mode gasping to live just another day on invented lies.

Your opinions and thus by extension your actions are based on the implicit assumption that PDF and it's Pak members have the same objectives/intentions as Indian defence forums: Analysis of the events towards determination of the truth. Nothing could be further from the truth.

The sole objective of PDF and members is information dissemination dominance, to establish dominance of narrative through pushing as much manipulated information as necessary. PDF has a substantial following amongst Pakistani masses in Pak (FB/Twitter) and thus is an important component of information warfare for ISI.

For people who aren't aware, atleast one of the mods was formerly suspected of terror ties and placed on international watch lists. Hint he's the one who is currently in charge of fake news and the one who managed to get their Facebook/Twitter account blocked for fake news and support for terrorism.

Remember this: In persuit of their predetermined objectives, facts will be twisted and stiched as required to suit the narrative. They are not playing the same game as us.

We made detailed analysis of the infusion of members after surgical strikes 1.0, whose sole agenda was systematic obfuscation and trolling to shift of discussions towards positions more suited to Pakistani perspective. It was coordinated, definitely deliberate and followed loosely the patterns of Russian intervention in US poll discussions 2015-16.