IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

[bose]

I know bro but seems we too have lied this time just like Pakis.... where is downed F-16???

The downed F-16 wreckage is in the PoK ... people at the ground have seen two aircraft coming down and three parachutes were seen... one was Mig-21 and the second was ????

The Pakistanis claimed that they have three Indian Pilots in custody ... where are the other two ??? why they changed later ?

There has to be second aircraft and that it was the F-16 D variant that has two pilots ...

Pakistanis are hiding the F-16 wreckage as that will be a physiological effecting their armed forces and people at large...

Please do not fall for their lies ...

 

[White Wolf]

I know bro but seems we too have lied this time just like Pakis.... where is downed F-16???

Dude, just look at the loopholes in the story of the Pakis. Those idiots have changed their statement countless number of times.
How many times did India changed their statements? Not even once.

 

[Srinivas_K]

We cannot deny they came over Indian Kashmir, stayed there unchallenged for more than 5 mins in spite of MKI and M2K patrolling the area, shot down MIG -21 (May be Flanker too) our pilot got captured and we had to request them to send our pilot back.... is this what air superiority we were proud of from so many years???

We should learn to give a credit where its due... Just look at their guts.... They know we have fleet of 200 plus Flankers along with other air crafts still they came and challenged us and unfortunately gave us a blood nose on that day.... Our reaction till date???? Nothing

Guts or stupidity or else they were cornered?

 

[Rahul Singh]

The downed F-16 wreckage is in the PoK ... people at the ground have seen two aircraft coming down and three parachutes were seen... one was Mig-21 and the second was ????

The Pakistanis claimed that they have three Indian Pilots in custody ... where are the other two ??? why they changed later ?

There has to be second aircraft and that it was the F-16 D variant that has two pilots ...

Pakistanis are hiding the F-16 wreckage as that will be a physiological effecting their armed forces and people at large...

Please do not fall for their lies ...

Even if they have to kill the second F16 D pilot they will. They accepting F-16 getting shot down is tearing down the false Aura of there military that has managed to hold together a highly fragile state so far called Pakistan.

For them, it is either lie or die. Their obvious choice is what has ever been. They simply can not afford to tell truth to their people.

 

[vishwaprasad]

Firstly I'm not Indian. Secondly I have questioned to varasity of the Indian claim in regards to downing an F-16. The difference is that India doesn't have a history of outright propaganda such as Pakistan nor does India have blackouts or hides aircraft losses such as Pakistan. Perhaps the Indian pilots thought he shot down an F-16, perhaps he did, at this time we don't know and may never know due to Pakistani lies.

The SU-30MKIs were outnumbered and defeated AMRAAMS, they also thwarted the entire Pakistani operation which resulted in the Pakistanis runnng away and abandoning their mission. As for F-16 verses SU-30MKI, the F-16 as well as JF-17 blunders counld not do shit to the MKIs. The Indian side was poorly prepared and should have scrambled more Sukhois and went on the offensive but that is a different story. The fact that Pakistani pilots lobbing AMRAAMS like amateurs proves nothing, it certainly doesn't prove that the F-16 outmatched the Sukhoi. We don't even know how many missiles the Sukhois were carrying. Remember SU-30MkIs have faced F-16s, F-15s, Tornados and Typhoons and did well. There is no reason to believe that Pakistan F-16s were somehow superior to American and European aircraft that Indians have faced and defeated numerous times.

The fact is even the old Mig-21 flew 7km inside Pakistani airspace before it was shot down/detected. This is just as embarrassing for Pakistan considering they had AWACS and dozens of other aircraft airborne as well. The fact is SU-30s could have probably shot missiles at the Pakistani aircraft as well but chose not to, perhaps they waited to get a higher probability missile launch, perhaps they waited for F-16s to deplete their weapons and fuel and attack when the F-16s could not sustain a fight, perhaps they waited for reinforcements.

There are many reasons but to play into Pakistani propaganda machine is exactly what they want. Those people are equivalent to North Korea with their propaganda and blackouts. No one should take them seriously based on their track record of lies. What we know is that a Mig-21 got shot down and Pakistanis had trouble tracking it and probably should have shot it down well inside Indian airspace if they weren't so incompetent of course. We also know all of Pakistanis AMRAAMS failed which shows that the SU-30s and their pilots performed their job. The Pakistani side had dozenans of aircraft supported by AWACS in which they caught India off guard and what was the end result? A botched operation on the Pakistani side, failure to inflict zero causalities inside India despite numerical superiority and only one Mig-21 kill and even that was inside Pakistani airspace. Yea those F-16s and AWACS are so good that they could not hit shit until a single Mig-21 was on the ass of an F-16 inside Pakistani airspace.

Based on the recent Pakistani incompetence, if India was to mount a serious strike on Pakistan with the intention of destroying Pakistan aircraft it would be the Pakistanis suffering heavy casualties.

I agree with most of your points but doesn't this proves that IAF behaved like Arabs??? I mean they had attacked deep inside Pak on 26th and yet they deployed such a low nos of MKIs in that region.... Imagine this was the scenario if we were like Israel... It shows IAF lacks the planning and strategy.... At a time when tensions between two countries at pick and yet they caught IAF off guard.... something really disappointing....

 

[bose]

Even if they have to kill the second F16 D pilot they will. They accepting F-16 getting shot down is tearing down the false Aura of there military that has managed to hold together a highly fragile state so far called Pakistan.

For them, it is either lie or die. Their obvious choice is what has ever been. They simply can not afford to tell truth to their people.

Let me confess, I am not from the military background I may go wrong here and there ... I would say that PAF have done badly that day ... It seems to me that they are in a panic mode and wanted to do some token action to pacify their ego that has taken a very bad hit the day before...

PAF came just 2 - 3 kms and tried but failed miserably to bomb any meaningful target ... the moment they saw the approaching IAF they fled into their airspace ...

Rather IAF chased them into their airspace and that was a BIG statement / action by itself... unlike the night before PAF fled when they saw the approaching Mirage 2000s...

PAF fired 4 - 6 AMRAAM and fled and those were successfully jammed by SU-30 MKI... IAF now has the experiences in jamming AMRAAM that is a big take way from this fight...

Till Mig-21 are there in IAF they will be used in such purpose of quick interception [Mach 2.2 is very good speed ] for a fire and scout mode...

 

[singhboy98]

Guys, there is either a commie or a porki false flagger active right now. Do NOT engage him/her/it. There is more than enough evidence available on this thread itself supporting our view on as to what actually happened on the 27th of February. One simply has to go through the threads. Do NOT waste your time convincing people who believe that Porki jets spent 5 minutes in Indian airspace. We were having a fruitful discussion before, let is stick to that.

 

[White Wolf]

Guys, there is either a commie or a porki false flagger active right now. Do NOT engage him/her/it. There is more than enough evidence available on this thread itself supporting our view on as to what actually happened on the 27th of February. One simply has to go through the threads. Do NOT waste your time convincing people who believe that Porki jets spent 5 minutes in Indian airspace. We were having a fruitful discussion before, let is stick to that.

Hmm.. recently checked his previous threads and contents. Seems you are right. He's indeed a troll.

 

[Immanuel]

Let me confess, I am not from the military background I may go wrong here and there ... I would say that PAF have done badly that day ... It seems to me that they are in a panic mode and wanted to do some token action to pacify their ego that has taken a very bad hit the day before...

PAF came just 2 - 3 kms and tried but failed miserably to bomb any meaningful target ... the moment they saw the approaching IAF they fled into their airspace ...

Rather IAF chased them into their airspace and that was a BIG statement / action by itself... unlike the night before PAF fled when they saw the approaching Mirage 2000s...

PAF fired 4 - 6 AMRAAM and fled and those were successfully jammed by SU-30 MKI... IAF now has the experiences in jamming AMRAAM that is a big take way from this fight...

Till Mig-21 are there in IAF they will be used in such purpose of quick interception [Mach 2.2 is very good speed ] for a fire and scout mode...

Actually there were a lot of clear disciplined exemplary work shown by the IAF. Not only did a lot fewer aircraft deterred a large formation.

Fighting in fighters Is all about taking advantage of momentary situational and tactical advantage.

One has to keep in mind fuel status, weapons status, critical assets near by, ground defenses, friends and foes etc.

Till there is a clear advantage, any self respecting pilot won't really engage, while some armed chair pilots here keep talking shit about why MKI didn't fire don't really have a clue on how fighting in the air works.

Those MKIs in most likelyhood were already on patrol when the were vectored in towards the threat, with an approaching threat, in all likelihood they went into mil power and tore through and super sonic speeds only to find Aims fired at max range heading their way, while they can jam them, they still need to perform evasive maneuvers at high speeds, sharp dives and turns while chaffing. All this consumes fuel. While the MKI has a big tank, at full burner will drastically reduce range quite quickly.

Those Aims were not defeated by jamming alone, keep in mind the Aim has a reliable home on jam mode, they still had to release chaff evade ricky-tic. I don't care what anybody says but a group of 10-12 of our own going up against 20-24 targets is never good, be it in a Rafale or MKI. With Wing Co having delivered a lethal blow to one of their shiniest birds, those Pukis ran and we were glad to be back on the ground too.

 

[cyclops]

I know bro but seems we too have lied this time just like Pakis.... where is downed F-16???

No we didn't.
Only pakistan lies to such a degree.

You are either a false flagger or really naive to believe in the religiously lying paki point of view.

This is pakistan the day after we ripped the pakis a new one and made bangladesh out of the shitstain called napakistan.

They would try to fool their public after losing half of their country, so an F-16 being downed by a MiG-21 is nothing for them.

As for F-16, it's in paki territory & we all know they are going to deny it was shot down till they exist.

They have done so before.
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1987/0...Pakistani-F-16-US-in-a-coverup/8251553579200/

 

[singhboy98]

No we didn't.
Only pakistan lies to such a degree.

You are either a false flagger or really naive to believe in the religiously lying paki point of view.

This is pakistan the day after we ripped the pakis a new one and made bangladesh out of the shitstain called napakistan.
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They would try to fool their public after losing half of their country, so an F-16 being downed by a MiG-21 is nothing for them.

As for F-16, it's in paki territory & we all know they are going to deny it was shot down till they exist.

They have done so before.
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1987/0...Pakistani-F-16-US-in-a-coverup/8251553579200/

Don't waste your time engaging false flaggers here on DFI. Troll Porkis on Twitter. Too much fun to miss.

 

[Rahul Singh]

Let me confess, I am not from the military background I may go wrong here and there ... I would say that PAF have done badly that day ... It seems to me that they are in a panic mode and wanted to do some token action to pacify their ego that has taken a very bad hit the day before...

PAF came just 2 - 3 kms and tried but failed miserably to bomb any meaningful target ... the moment they saw the approaching IAF they fled into their airspace ...

Rather IAF chased them into their airspace and that was a BIG statement / action by itself... unlike the night before PAF fled when they saw the approaching Mirage 2000s...

PAF fired 4 - 6 AMRAAM and fled and those were successfully jammed by SU-30 MKI... IAF now has the experiences in jamming AMRAAM that is a big take way from this fight...

Till Mig-21 are there in IAF they will be used in such purpose of quick interception [Mach 2.2 is very good speed ] for a fire and scout mode...

You are spot on bro..............I only have to add that GOI+IAF did not respond to 27th in a direct manner because they are working as per long term action plan and did not want to get into the reactive mode.

In any case, PAF 27th mission which more propaganda than tactical had miserably failed.

 

[maomao]

@ashdoc @Armand2REP

Read this excellent rebuttal by KaranM, a moderator at BRF


He punches Ginormous holes into Coupta's lies, deceit and treachery.

Awesome article a must read! Please share it with everyone.

 

[Aaj ka hero]

@ashdoc @Armand2REP

Read this excellent rebuttal by KaranM, a moderator at BRF


He punches Ginormous holes into Coupta's lies, deceit and treachery.

But the question is if su-30mkis were in readiness mode on that day then, why two su-30 mkis had less fuel according to the article in bharat rakshak forum?
The su-30 mkis must had been kept ready with sufficient amount of fuel, was the IAF caught in surprise? Also does the whole combat happened in supersonic regime?
Can anybody answer these?

 

[bose]

Actually there were a lot of clear disciplined exemplary work shown by the IAF. Not only did a lot fewer aircraft deterred a large formation.

Fighting in fighters Is all about taking advantage of momentary situational and tactical advantage.

One has to keep in mind fuel status, weapons status, critical assets near by, ground defenses, friends and foes etc.

Till there is a clear advantage, any self respecting pilot won't really engage, while some armed chair pilots here keep talking shit about why MKI didn't fire don't really have a clue on how fighting in the air works.

Those MKIs in most likelyhood were already on patrol when the were vectored in towards the threat, with an approaching threat, in all likelihood they went into mil power and tore through and super sonic speeds only to find Aims fired at max range heading their way, while they can jam them, they still need to perform evasive maneuvers at high speeds, sharp dives and turns while chaffing. All this consumes fuel. While the MKI has a big tank, at full burner will drastically reduce range quite quickly.

Those Aims were not defeated by jamming alone, keep in mind the Aim has a reliable home on jam mode, they still had to release chaff evade ricky-tic. I don't care what anybody says but a group of 10-12 of our own going up against 20-24 targets is never good, be it in a Rafale or MKI. With Wing Co having delivered a lethal blow to one of their shiniest birds, those Pukis ran and we were glad to be back on the ground too.

Thanks for the reply and explaining the technical aspects ...

 

[bose]

You are spot on bro..............I only have to add that GOI+IAF did not respond to 27th in a direct manner because they are working as per long term action plan and did not want to get into the reactive mode.

In any case, PAF 27th mission which more propaganda than tactical had miserably failed.

Very true !! I believe the real retribution has not yet started ... There is bigger plan to be executed ...

Hope China sees reason and stop supporting terrorists else not only it will get isolated along with Pakistan will have to face a major embarrassment it it get taken up in the UN open forum for discussion ...

 

[Sridhar_TN]

Very true !! I believe the real retribution has not yet started ... There is bigger plan to be executed ...

Hope China sees reason and stop supporting terrorists else not only it will get isolated along with Pakistan will have to face a major embarrassment it it get taken up in the UN open forum for discussion ...

The situation is that there will be covert methods employed to respond to the 27th attack. Of course, the idea of regime change and separationist movements has been on most of the military planner's mind for quite some time now. Coincidence that China just deployed troops within pakistan last week to protect their assets?? Quite sure, there is a larger picture being drawn here. Pretty sure Uncle Sam is also in the picture

 

[bose]

The situation is that there will be covert methods employed to respond to the 27th attack. Of course, the idea of regime change and separationist movements has been on most of the military planner's mind for quite some time now. Coincidence that China just deployed troops within pakistan last week to protect their assets?? Quite sure, there is a larger picture being drawn here. Pretty sure Uncle Sam is also in the picture

Very True !! there is something we are not privy to it ... My take is Uncle SAM has asked for a last opportunity for Pakistan to remedy itself ... which is highly unlikely unless a very high cost of supporting terrorism is imposed on Pakistan ...

I am very much sure this is the very last chance for Pakistan to come good on terrorism ... else we all have to be prepared for a war ...

To teach Pakistan a lesson or two it is very important that Modi is returned to power ...

Cheese will get a bloody noose from Baloch freedom fighters ... I see something big coming on their way... now thay can not complain too with their support for the likes of Azhar... they are exploiting the local people with the help of their stooge Pakistan ....

 

[maomao]

Video comparison of two different aircraft going down:

 

[Craigs]

Do the two of them look the same to you????

Also to be noted is that despite the claim to have shot down TWO jets, only one pilot was credited with the kill.
A week later, almost like an afterthought & apologetically, Qureshi announced the SECOND pilot's name Nouman Ali Khan!!

Dude learn to figure out sarcasm without it being explicitly pointed out.