IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

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What prestige you are talking about?

GoI already confirmed they shot down F16 of PAF and briefed the diplomats all over the world after the events. Which is more than enough.

Pakistanis think like that because they cannot live with out boasting and pathological lies.

IAF went in 80 km and struck the terror targets and safely returned, which is not an easy feat!
Yes. GOI confirmed. We believe our govt and armed forces. Not other countries, or their people. They believe what they see on news, which is the twisted reality pakis are peddling. Next time our boys will be out to other countries for exercise, game practice like Cope India, they will see the difference. Our image internationally as a strong airforce has been tarnished.

OT: Wikipedia does not accept IAF_MCC tweets as proof, neither Indian news sources. They are taking BBC, CNN and RT news as credible news, and what they published? Yeah, pakistani propaganda. We are losing the Wikipedia info war with pakis, and it matters as a long term info war.
 

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Yes. GOI confirmed. We believe our govt and armed forces. Not other countries, or their people. They believe what they see on news, which is the twisted reality pakis are peddling. Next time our boys will be out to other countries for exercise, game practice like Cope India, they will see the difference. Our image internationally as a strong airforce has been tarnished.

OT: Wikipedia does not accept IAF_MCC tweets as proof, neither Indian news sources. They are taking BBC, CNN and RT news as credible news, and what they published? Yeah, pakistani propaganda. We are losing the Wikipedia info war with pakis, and it matters as a long term info war.
Dude calm down, IAF is a respected all over the world.
 

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Yes. GOI confirmed. We believe our govt and armed forces. Not other countries, or their people. They believe what they see on news, which is the twisted reality pakis are peddling. Next time our boys will be out to other countries for exercise, game practice like Cope India, they will see the difference. Our image internationally as a strong airforce has been tarnished.

OT: Wikipedia does not accept IAF_MCC tweets as proof, neither Indian news sources. They are taking BBC, CNN and RT news as credible news, and what they published? Yeah, pakistani propaganda. We are losing the Wikipedia info war with pakis, and it matters as a long term info war.

Dude u r dead wrong the f16 OEM US and all other nations intelligence already know abt balkot attack impact and the f16 dowinig saga, the reason they keeping quiet when they admit a 3rd gen russi jet shoot down 4th gen US main intercepcter it give all under dog country a moral high to give a fighting chance against US agression like in sirya, also these are the same media's done 1971,1999 coverage so nothing extra ordinary they just want to increase the saless , for us it's golden opportunity becoz we can field test all of our new weapons on porki they never going to complian and never going to report it devastation ,just like drdo testing his toys in doors where output never goes to the public,we can kill many Pakis we know they just smiles and say none of our soliders dead think who have more porfit in here, porki thinking abt short term goals where GOI thinking long term, that's th keep calm and watch the porkis burn
 

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Yes. GOI confirmed. We believe our govt and armed forces. Not other countries, or their people. They believe what they see on news, which is the twisted reality pakis are peddling. Next time our boys will be out to other countries for exercise, game practice like Cope India, they will see the difference. Our image internationally as a strong airforce has been tarnished.
If Pakis are so well off technologically using American equipment and India has 3rd grade Russian junks then Pakis wouldn't have backed out just after one violation.

This should be legitimate question among Intl media.

India bombing Paki territory as far as KPK, even trees, is declaration of war.

Even Pakis version paddled is humiliating. Would US have left USSR with only one air violation and shooting down of 2 soviet jets if USSR have bombed corn fields in Texas (hypothetically)?
 

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If a cheap little jamming pod can make the best Russian radar and missiles obsolete I would call that a big problem.
It's not cheap neither it is very potent but works well for them when they are already at a distance. They had it since 2016 and might have practiced simulations with it and they knew that even if BVRAAM is fired they can escape. Out of 24 most probably only 3 or 4 aircrafts breached LOC that too only for few seconds to drop their ammo.

My perception is there were no order to fire at Paki aircrafts unless until they breach our airspace, other wise MKI is no joke! And before the paki aircrafts breached Indian airspace they fired on Indian aircrafts to make them busy and divert their attention this gave them time to enter and return back. It's just the case that they fired first. Typical bureaucracy at work to shame us.
 

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It's not cheap neither it is very potent but works well for them when they are already at a distance. They had it since 2016 and might have practiced simulations with it and they knew that even if BVRAAM is fired they can escape. Out of 24 most probably only 3 or 4 aircrafts breached LOC that too only for few seconds to drop their ammo.
It is plenty cheap when they get it for free as US military aid. Then they get Chinese military aid and now they are living off Chinese loans they will never pay back. Pakistan is the largest welfare nation on Earth.
 

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can some on analyse this video this was published on 26th Feb? Some where over Mirpur??? How is that Possible. Looks like aerial engagement between IAF and Paki AF began immediately after India conducted air raid in KPK.
It looks like a M2000 shot down a single engine fighter like F-16 or JF-17.
 

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It looks like a M2000 shot down a single engine fighter like F-16 or JF-17.
Point is if it happening over Mirpur which is bit far from LOC inside POJK, this means not just on 27th but we have had dogfight with Pakis on 26th too inside their airspace.

Something is seriously going on and no one knows what is happening.
 

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Point is if it happening over Mirpur which is bit far from LOC inside POJK, this means not just on 27th but we have had dogfight with Pakis on 26th too inside their airspace.

Something is seriously going on and no one knows what is happening.
There was a flight of 12 M2000s heading to and from Balakot and their base is way south of that, so it isn't improbable that they would be near that area on the way in or out.
 

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The video can be of 27th but because of time zone diff it showed 26 ...Same happened with videos of abhinandan uploaded by them....So it can be f16 being shot down...

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Has this been discussed?

How come paki raid on 27th happened during day light, don’t they have night flying offensive capabilities?

Isn’t it advantageous for them to conduct raid in the dark, if the original plan was a bombing run...
 

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Has this been discussed?

How come paki raid on 27th happened during day light, don’t they have night flying offensive capabilities?

Isn’t it advantageous for them to conduct raid in the dark, if the original plan was a bombing run...
Pakistan has a history of conducting 1st air raids in broad day light. In 1965 they did same also in 1971 they conducted raid in day light and this one too. May be some superstition.
 

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Pakistan has a history of conducting 1st air raids in broad day light. In 1965 they did same also in 1971 they conducted raid in day light and this one too. May be some superstition.
Dude, they didn't have night flying capabilities back then. It's not 1971 anymore. Nothing to do with superstition. They raided during the day time probably cuz they thought India would be expecting them to raid at night. So I guess they kinda wanted to surprise.
 

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Dude, they didn't have night flying capabilities back then. It's not 1971 anymore. Nothing to do with superstition. They raided during the day time probably cuz they thought India would be expecting them to raid at night. So I guess they kinda wanted to surprise.
It's true that our IAF wasn't expecting them to respond so quickly. We should take out their airbase and ports.
 

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It's true that our IAF wasn't expecting them to respond so quickly. We should take out their airbase and ports.

That is too risky, even if it was a complete success and India anhialated the Pakistani Air Force with no losses you can bet Pakistan would claim they shot down dozens of Indian aircraft. It's a propaganda war they play. When Pakistan put out those cheesy patches showing they had MKI kills they did it to blackmail and humiliate India they even got Turkish pilots to wear those patches. It's a dirty psychological game Pakistan plays. It's pure blackmail and propaganda and it works to an extent. Pakistan is basically taunting India to try to attack and if they do they will continue to play the blackmailing game.
 

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That is too risky, even if it was a complete success and India anhialated the Pakistani Air Force with no losses you can bet Pakistan would claim they shot down dozens of Indian aircraft. It's a propaganda war they play. When Pakistan put out those cheesy patches showing they had MKI kills they did it to blackmail and humiliate India they even got Turkish pilots to wear those patches. It's a dirty psychological game Pakistan plays. It's pure blackmail and propaganda and it works to an extent. Pakistan is basically taunting India to try to attack and if they do they will continue to play the blackmailing game.
They are fooling themselves and their people!
 

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F-16 didn’t down India’s MiG-21 Bison, says top Chinese military expert

http://idrw.org/f-16-didnt-down-indias-mig-21-bison-says-top-chinese-military-expert/#more-196190





A top expert with the Chinese defence forces has said it wasn’t Pakistan Air Force’s (PAF) US-made F-16 that shot down India’s MiG-21 Bison during last month’s dogfight when the two air forces had scrambled jets along the Line of Control (LoC).MProfessor Jin Yinan from the elite National Defence University (NDU) of the PLA (People’s Liberation Army) hints – without actually saying so – that it could have been a China-built jet, possibly the jointly built JF-17 fighter aircraft, which shot down India’s jet. Jin also argued that it wasn’t a surface-to-air missile that hit the MiG-21 Bison but an air-to-air projectile. Jin’s interview was first published earlier this month on a Chinese website run by the PLA where he picked holes in the narrative that it was an F-16, which shot down the Indian aircraft. Jin, a retired general and an author, was a director of the strategic research institute at the NDU. “Expert: Who shot down India’s MiG-21 in India-Pakistan air battle?” was the headline of the English version of the interview. “The Indian side tried to find reasons for its loss, saying that Pakistan had dispatched its most advanced F-16 fighters, which was denied. Pakistan’s saying is more reliable for three reasons,” he said “First, the sales of F-16 fighters had been cut off by the US, so Pakistan now has only less than 20 such aircraft left, not to mention how many of which could still perform a flight mission,” Jin said. “Second, Pakistan had signed an ‘agreement’ with the US, which banned the use of F-16 fighters in offensive operations. This time, Indian warplanes flew into the Pakistani airspace and attacked ground targets first, and then Pakistan sent aircraft into India’s airspace for retaliation. From this perspective, it was a retaliatory, offensive operation conducted by Pakistan, in which the F-16 was inapplicable according to the aforesaid agreement.” Jin then argued that the Indian Air Force is well aware of the capabilities of the US-made jets including firepower and radar frequencies. “Third, the Indian military had already obtained basic data about the F-16 jets. The U.S. planned to export the F-21 – an upgraded version of the F-16 – to India, so it had informed the Indian side of all performance parameters about the aircraft. For this reason, India is familiar with the combating performances of the F-16, including its fire-control and searching radar frequency,” the PLA expert said. “Given all this, Pakistan was unlikely to use its F-16 fighters in the air battle because there was a small chance to win even if it sent out the aircraft.” Asked what kind of missile would have hit the Indian jet, Jin said it was an air-to-air missile. “All existing signs indicate that it is improbable a surface-to-air missile. The wreckage of the MiG-21 fighter jet should be comminuted debris caused by the cellular explosion. However, it is evident that part of the crashed MiG-21 fighter jet was cut by a missile, instead of exploding in the air. It was directly hit by a missile warhead. In this case, it is unlikely to be a surface-to-air missile, but probably an air-to-air missile,” he said. Interestingly, about two weeks after the India-Pakistan clash, China announced that Beijing and Islamabad have begun upgrading their jointly developed JF-17 fighter jet. “The development and production of the JF-17 Block 3 are underway,” Yang Wei, a Chinese legislator and chief designer of the China-Pakistan co-developed fighter jet, was quoted as saying by the state media. Jin said IAF’s frontier jets are in poor shape and flying “outdated” aircraft. “The aircraft equipped in India’s frontier troops are poor in performance. For instance, the MiG-21 fighter is already outdated. The captured Indian pilot is a senior wing commander. Among air force pilots, wing commander is already a high military ranking, who needs to fly at least 1,000 hours, so he is actually an experienced pilot. However, limited by its backward avionics, the MiG-21 fighter’s search radar could not detect the enemy and its fire-control radar cannot guide medium-range air-to-air missiles,” Jin said. The expert added: “So, it could not perform preemptive detection and firing. As a result, it was detected and shot down first by the enemy. If the Indian military commissioned some more advanced fighters in the frontier, it would not only enhance its image but also not lose so badly. This is a feature of air warfare: a single pilot and a single aircraft can determine the result of an air battle”.

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There was a flight of 12 M2000s heading to and from Balakot and their base is way south of that, so it isn't improbable that they would be near that area on the way in or out.
But they went in In the night and Pakis were caught with their pants down as the air defence could not detect M2000 presence. Here in this video it is over Mirpur in the afternoon which is highly fortified. And away from Poonch where dog fight happened. Is this new Event or may be it was video graphed from Pakistani side but actually it's near LOC?

Or could be some drone?
 
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