IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

[Anil47]

WvR advantage goes to F-16 because it Has higher g Load + higher TVR than LCA

Even mig 21bison has approx 8.5 g load but it worked well against F16.

 

[WARREN SS]

Even mig 21bison has approx 8.5 g load but it worked well against F16.

You cannot apply one engagement laws every time
Wing commander was quite experienced guy He was scrambling F-16 in tail chase that made him get solutions for lock on f-16

Not every time everyone gets lucky

 

[Armand2REP]

You cannot apply one engagement laws every time
Wing commander was quite experienced guy He was scrambling F-16 in tail chase that made him get solutions for lock on f-16

Not every time everyone gets lucky

Wing Commander only had an old MiG-21 and used what he had to do his best to do his duty. He is a true hero and the best of India. 4X MKIs should have ended it from BVR range so he would not have been subject to imprisonment and used as a pawn for their failure to engage.

 

[WARREN SS]

Wing Commander only had an old MiG-21 and used what he had to do his best to do his duty. He is a true hero and the best of India. 4X MKIs should have ended it from BVR range so he would not have been subject to imprisonment and used as a pawn for their failure to engage.

He was hero that doesn't change that broken rule of ROE Being A experienced pilot He would have Calculated the Wing man of F-16 he has broken from formation. Voluntarily moved out from Jamming coverage of MKI's

 

[Armand2REP]

He was hero that doesn't change that broken rule of ROE Being A experienced pilot He would have Calculated the Wing man of F-16 he has broken from formation. Voluntarily moved out from Jamming coverage of MKI's

I do not believe that ROE exists. If PAF violates Indian airspace you are to shoot them down, that is the ROE. Abhinandan followed his orders exactly, it is the flight of MKI that didn't back him up by engaging the 24 strong strike package PAF sent to violate India. A board of inquiry should be raised to answer why the 4 MKIs did not unleash hell on that PAF formation with volleys of R-77s.

 

[WARREN SS]

I do not believe that ROE exists.

Its exist Weather We like it or not

If PAF violates Indian airspace you are to shoot them down,

Not the first time It happened ROE suggest 10 Km

Abhinandan followed his orders exactly,

Nope He Never ordered To engage

it is the flight of MKI that didn't back him up by engaging the 24 strong strike package PAF sent to violate India.

Not happening Amraams Salvo's has fired towards MKI's

 

[WARREN SS]

A board of inquiry should be raised to answer why the 4 MKIs did not unleash hell on that PAF formation with volleys of R-77s.

Not having Enough Solutions for Locks

 

[Armand2REP]

Not having Enough Solutions for Locks

Are you joking? You are suggesting outdated F-16s had target locks for MKI but MKI couldn't lock F-16s and Thunder Blunders.

That is truly a funny suggestion.

 

[WARREN SS]

Also Pakistan's are Flying With AWACS support

AWACS Not Only perform Early Warning but it also provides Aircraft Spot Jamming Coverage That non only Make difficult to get solutions for Locks but also protect from home on jamming Capability

 

[WARREN SS]

Are you joking? You are suggesting outdated F-16s had target locks for MKI but MKI couldn't lock F-16s and Thunder Blunders?

Did It hit the the target ????
Off-course they are Launched from Quite distance Still Not Clear about numbers MKi's engaged in combat As far i know only 2 MKI's was there One Scrambling 3 F-16 One Hovering over Brigade HQ for Protection

2 other Were Sill on Stand by for F-16 hovering inside POK

 

[Armand2REP]

Did It hit the the target ????
Off-course they are Launched from Quite distance Still Not Clear about numbers MKi's engaged in combat As far i know only 2 MKI's was there One Scrambling 3 F-16 One Hovering over Brigade HQ for Protection

There was a flight of 4 MKI and they were shot at by F-16s and did nothing. There was 24 blips on the scope they should have shot and instead let them get away.

 

[Anil47]

do not believe that ROE exists. If PAF violates Indian airspace you are to shoot them down, that is the ROE. Abhinandan followed his orders exactly,

I think ROE was most probably shoot only when they are inside Indian airspace and don't go after them crossing LOC. IAF did shoo them away with just 8 aircrafts vs 24 PAF aircrafts a complete package! What Abhinandad did was an act of bravery, he was neither shot inside Indian airspace. But it made us lose our chance to escalate thereafter because he was caught.

 

[WARREN SS]

There was a flight of 4 MKI and they were shot at by F-16s and did nothing.

It Still not clear Weather F-16 fired on Mki's after R-73E launch or Before Because If they Got order to engage all might have engaged them All at once And there Might Be Salvo's of missiles on both sides

I still not Have confirmation that 4-5 AMRAAMs fired on MKi's By IAF MCC What we know Is one Hit Mig-21 and other Fired At MKI that made appropriate maneuver as per IAF MCC

 

[Armand2REP]

I think ROE was most probably shoot only when they are inside Indian airspace and don't go after them crossing LOC. IAF did shoo them away with just 8 aircrafts vs 24 PAF aircrafts a complete package! What Abhinandad did was an act of bravery, he was neither shot inside Indian airspace. But it made us lose our chance to escalate thereafter because he was caught.

You seem to be forgetting what a BVRAAM does. MKI should have shot R-77s from Indian side of the border and kills them on their side of the border. You missed the chance because MKIs failed to act.

 

[Anil47]

MKI should have shot R-77s from Indian side of the border and kills them on their side of the border. You missed the chance because MKIs failed to act.

As I said, ROE was most probably , shoot when PAF aircrafts are inside Indian airspace. Even Mig21s were fitted with R77, but one of the Mig21 bison had to cross LOC to shoot the Paki F16 down. This means there was very less chance of Paki aircraft to be locked inside Indian air space. They saw the IAF jets and they ran away after firing the AMRAAMS missiles on India aircrafts.

 

[Armand2REP]

As I said, ROE was most probably , shoot when PAF aircrafts are inside Indian airspace. Even Mig21s were fitted with R77, but one of the Mig21 bison had to cross LOC to shoot the Paki F16 down. This means there was very less chance of Paki aircraft to be locked inside Indian air space. They saw the IAF jets and they ran away after firing the AMRAAMS missiles on India aircrafts.

You don't see Wing Commander Abhinandan being brought up on punishment for violating any ROE do you? No because he followed the ROE, if they cross the border, shoot their ass down. None of the MKIs with their long range radar and R-77 missiles would even have to cross the border in order to use them. If you are being shot at by the enemy why the hell wouldn't you shoot them down?

 

[Anil47]

None of the MKIs with their long range radar and R-77 missiles would even have to cross the border in order to use them. If you are being shot at by the enemy why the hell wouldn't you shoot them down?

You have a valid question sir but I have a counter question
Why did Abhinandan did not use R77 and rather chased the Pakis F16 across LOC and shot it down with R73. Could he also take the shot with R77?

 

[Snowcat]

You have a valid question sir but I have a counter question
Why did Abhinandan did not use R77 and rather chased the Pakis F16 across LOC and shot it down with R73. Could he also take the shot with R77?

I am not sure how true it is , but there is a speculation going on that one R-77 was fired first then he took another shot with a R-73.

 

[Anil47]

I am not sure how true it is , but there is a speculation going on that one R-77 was fired first then he took another shot with a R-73.

Possibly yes, this means there was EW suppression package by PAF hence Abhinandan had to switch to R73. Which means without crossing the LOC and ingress into Paki airspace he could not have taken the shot.

 

[Armand2REP]

You have a valid question sir but I have a counter question
Why did Abhinandan did not use R77 and rather chased the Pakis F16 across LOC and shot it down with R73. Could he also take the shot with R77?

MiG-21 has an incredibly small nose cone and therefor just as small of a radar aperture. It would not be able to get target lock at the full range of the missile. That is what MKI is for having a huge radar that can see hundreds of clicks out.