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SMPP supplied 15k new helmets to army for trials
Supplied new bullet proof vest with armour piercing protection

 

[NutCracker]

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[Bleh]

Ewww.. no fire & forget.

 

[raju1982]

Ewww.. no fire & forget.

We can brag on our missiles, radars, EW systems etc but it is true that our UAV systems are total crap and ADE failed there. Modi govt also responsible. They should have asked private industry to develop long range Sahed type loitering munitions when China was selling them around the world.

 

[raju1982]

Indian Navy must go for this ASAP.


and shoukd start research for bigger one with torpedos and bigger sonars.

 

[AnantS]

Then you should say Liquid RAMJET engine. You already mentioned that you are not talking about Akash which uses a RAMJET engine.

LFRJ for STAR is already completed as per DRDO.

yes Liquid fuelled Ramjet was what i referred to. LFRJ Engine being realised was update for last Def Expo I dont think - we have yet heard any updates on progress of any prototype realization of STAR.

 

[porky_kicker]

Ewww.. no fire & forget.

when MPATGM is itself fire and forget type, how is it no fire and forget ?

 

[Chinmoy]

yes Liquid fuelled Ramjet was what i referred to. LFRJ Engine being realised was update for last Def Expo I dont think - we have yet heard any updates on progress of any prototype realization of STAR.

That's why I said, you don't make something because you can make it.

 

[AnantS]

That's why I said, you don't make something because you can make it.

If above was the reason - why would DRDO spend so much time and money on developing LRFJ engine that too around specs drawn for STAR missile? Something is amiss here. Having your own LRFJ cruise missile shall prove to be cheaper than JV Brahmos... so it makes sense DRDO having spending money and time on such projects -only if it had been with the objective of realizing the product for eventual deployment.

 

[porky_kicker]

yes Liquid fuelled Ramjet was what i referred to. LFRJ Engine being realised was update for last Def Expo I dont think - we have yet heard any updates on progress of any prototype realization of STAR.

i cant recollect surely, but i sort of remember proto was under construction

 

[Chinmoy]

If above was the reason - why would DRDO spend so much time and money on developing LRFJ engine that too around specs drawn for STAR missile? Something is amiss here. Having your own LRFJ cruise missile shall prove to be cheaper than JV Brahmos...

There is our problem.

DRDO is a research organization, not a manufacturer. Research and development is independent of manufacturing. DRDO has researched on Liquid RAMJET. But when it comes to manufacturing, the manufacturer would look into the potential economic advantage they would have from the product.

If I am not wrong, yesterday or day before yesterday, here itself a news was given that BRAHMOS would be used as a target. Now in this scenario, if I am the manufacturer, the fact would be back in my mind that how many target missiles would be ordered? What would be my ROI?

STAR is not a dedicated weapon, but a target and systems are like these are ordered in single digit. So you don't go on and manufacture a system because you have the capability to manufacture it. As far as technology development is concerned, it is independent of it. You development technology for the time when you would need it.

 

[Chinmoy]

i cant recollect surely, but i sort of remember proto was under construction

Yeah. It is.

 

[Bleh]

when MPATGM is itself fire and forget type, how is it no fire and forget ?

Yes mu bad.. I forgot MPATGM is mini-NAG & laser homing thought it was laser-homing

 

[AnantS]

There is our problem.

DRDO is a research organization, not a manufacturer. Research and development is independent of manufacturing. DRDO has researched on Liquid RAMJET. But when it comes to manufacturing, the manufacturer would look into the potential economic advantage they would have from the product.

If I am not wrong, yesterday or day before yesterday, here itself a news was given that BRAHMOS would be used as a target. Now in this scenario, if I am the manufacturer, the fact would be back in my mind that how many target missiles would be ordered? What would be my ROI?

STAR is not a dedicated weapon, but a target and systems are like these are ordered in single digit. So you don't go on and manufacture a system because you have the capability to manufacture it. As far as technology development is concerned, it is independent of it. You development technology for the time when you would need it.

okay I understand.. your point of contention was developing STAR just as target practice did not make sense- as requirement is small - its economical to just use brahmos. But what I understood was STAR was just a waypoint on the path of realising eventually a ramjet cruise missing which is not brahmos.

 

[Chinmoy]

okay I understand.. your point of contention was developing STAR just as target practice did not make sense- as requirement is small and economical to just use brahmos. But what I understood was STAR was just a waypoint on the path of realising eventually a ramjet cruise missing which is not brahmos.

Absolutely. That's why I posted that DRDO poster where its already mentioned that Liquid Ramjet development is complete. So when need arise, we have the base foundation for the build.

 

[AnantS]

Absolutely. That's why I posted that DRDO poster where its already mentioned that Liquid Ramjet development is complete. So when need arise, we have the base foundation for the build.

hope they have a project of cruise missile based on it. Not putting in use in house developed items/skill because of easy outside alternative - eventually means you lose knowhow skill with time. Ask britain about it(wrt rockets etc). We eventually need to work on realising turbojet-ramjet/scramjet technologies like SABRE.

 

[Chinmoy]

hope they have a project of cruise missile based on it. Not putting in use in house developed items/skill because of easy outside alternative - eventually means you lose knowhow skill with time. Ask britain.
We eventually need to work on turbojet-ramjet/scramjet technologies.

Irony is, if DRDO would go forward with a LFRJ based cruise missile concept, DRDO itself would hold them back from doing so.

 

[cyclops]

i cant recollect surely, but i sort of remember proto was under construction

350mm liquid fueled ramjet by DRDL.

 

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[Fatalis]