DRDO 155mm Artillery Program

Can DRDO design Artillery able to pass into mass production?


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airtel

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Well this quote proves that my assesment of your intellegence is not wrong .
Uncle ji , nobody cares about your worthless assesment .


Government is incorporating OFB as registered company like BEL, BDL, HAL etc.
Even PSUs are not very bright example in performance but still GoI & all persons are so fed up with OFB's incompetence that they are celebrating it like major mile stone.
Yeah that Will make OFB = Lockheed Martin o_O :daru: :daru:
 

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.time...witzer-programme/amp_articleshow/78115375.cms

This issue was 100% caused by faulty OFB shell. Even preliminary inquiry says it was fault of the shell.

Looks like OFB Corporatisation is critical for the survival of this nation. Army is facing enemies at the frontier and these OFB chutiyas are still lollygagging.
did you even read that article before posting ?,........

An officer of project director’s level in the ARDE contacted by TOI refused to comment saying the matter could not be discussed in public forum. A spokesperson of Bharat Forge said none of the guns made by the company had been damaged in any of the incidents.


Tata Group also declined to comment on the report. Sources familiar with the matter, however, said, it’s a development process where multiple players are working together. They are committed to finding the cause and building the gun.

It is also being argued that faulty ammunition may have led to the incident.
According to the article they have not completed any investigation and article is just pure speculation .

May be be this may be that ,.......
 

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did you even read that article before posting ?,........



According to the article they have not completed any investigation and article is just pure speculation .

May be be this may be that ,.......
Same thing happened with Dhanush, M777 and now the ATAGS. All three have OFB ammunition in common.

BEL produces decent products under license production. I am sure a corporatised OFB will do that as well.

In Russia Izmash is now a household name. OFB's greatest disadvantage is its lack of accountability, bloated size and union politics.

When IMI was state owned, it produced the Galil. OFB produced the INSAS.

Both guns have the same idea, a 5.56x45 mm based AK clone. One is world renowned and is even being made in India (ironically) while the other is being phased out to policemen and units who are never supposed to see combat.
 

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Do you have any evidence for your claims ?


What is the proof that these gun were using ofb shells and not Kalyani shells or imported shells ??

What is the evidence that faulty shells caused this accident ?

Did you yourself examine the gun and came to this conclusion ?

You have Found the scapegoat even before the investigation ?

If the gun is performing good it means private companies are better but for any kind of malfunctioning you Will blame OFB ( even without any investigation or evidence ) , and if army officers don't
buy it then you Will again call them import lobby ? ?
Chill. It is norm to blame OFB for any barrel burst.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...d-howitzer-programme/articleshow/78115375.cms
 

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The article says Barrels are made by Bharat Forge but I think @airtel mentioned it's been built by OFB. Can you please confirm.
Both OFB as well as Bharat forge (Kalyani group ) are making barrels of ATAGS .

According to this article =
The Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) won the tender to manufacture gun barrels, along with forgings giant, the Kalyani Group.

The gun involved in this particular incident was manufactured by Bharat forge .
 

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Both OFB as well as Bharat forge (Kalyani group ) are making barrels of ATAGS .

According to this article =

The gun involved in this particular incident was manufactured by Bharat forge .
Exactly the gun involved in this particular incident was from Bharat Forge. So OFB role in this is just that they provided the ammunition.

( nothing to do with the barrels)
 

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Indigenous artillery gun may go back to drawing board after barrel burst
An indigenously developed artillery gun which suffered a barrel burst in field trials earlier this month injuring four Army personnel may need to go back to the drawing board, army officials told ET.

The malfunction of the Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS), a 155 mm/52 calibre gun system designed and developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), occurred during internal developmental firing at the Pokhran (Rajasthan) firing ranges on September 12, army officials told ET.

The incident is being viewed as a setback to defence modernisation efforts, especially since the Army had put on the backburner a proposal last year to procure 400 artillery guns of the same type from Israeli defence manufacturer Elbit Systems, as the homemade one was still under development.


The remaining 1,180 guns were to be produced by the Ordnance Factory Board. The proposal was put on hold as the DRDO project was heading towards completion. The mishap has also come at a time when the gun system had successfully completed trials and production of the first 40 was to begin shortly. The gun barrel, manufactured by Bharat Forge Ltd, exploded right after a firing test that was being supervised by DRDO officials, sources said.

When contacted, a DRDO spokesperson said an inquiry committee has been set up to look into the cause of the accident. “As soon as the report comes, we can share details. Cause is not very clear at present,” the spokesperson added.

While the cause of the accident would be revealed after a detailed inquiry, officials said it could have occurred due to the inferior quality of metallurgy or the barrel not meeting prescribed standards. An official told ET that design parameters will have to be brought back to the drawing board to ensure the gun has reliable technology that is safe for users.

The accident comes at a particularly difficult time, given the border standoff with China and the neighbouring country’s continued collusion with Pakistan on its support for cross-border terrorism.

It also marks a further delay in the ATAGS project that was started in 2013, with production scheduled to begin in 2019. The project was delayed earlier during the development cycle, with issues cropping up in the gun system’s recoil systems as well as delays in the manufacture of sub systems.
 

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That's why Athos were selected to have a backup.

Indigenous artillery gun may go back to drawing board after barrel burst
An indigenously developed artillery gun which suffered a barrel burst in field trials earlier this month injuring four Army personnel may need to go back to the drawing board, army officials told ET.

The malfunction of the Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS), a 155 mm/52 calibre gun system designed and developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), occurred during internal developmental firing at the Pokhran (Rajasthan) firing ranges on September 12, army officials told ET.

The incident is being viewed as a setback to defence modernisation efforts, especially since the Army had put on the backburner a proposal last year to procure 400 artillery guns of the same type from Israeli defence manufacturer Elbit Systems, as the homemade one was still under development.


The remaining 1,180 guns were to be produced by the Ordnance Factory Board. The proposal was put on hold as the DRDO project was heading towards completion. The mishap has also come at a time when the gun system had successfully completed trials and production of the first 40 was to begin shortly. The gun barrel, manufactured by Bharat Forge Ltd, exploded right after a firing test that was being supervised by DRDO officials, sources said.

When contacted, a DRDO spokesperson said an inquiry committee has been set up to look into the cause of the accident. “As soon as the report comes, we can share details. Cause is not very clear at present,” the spokesperson added.

While the cause of the accident would be revealed after a detailed inquiry, officials said it could have occurred due to the inferior quality of metallurgy or the barrel not meeting prescribed standards. An official told ET that design parameters will have to be brought back to the drawing board to ensure the gun has reliable technology that is safe for users.

The accident comes at a particularly difficult time, given the border standoff with China and the neighbouring country’s continued collusion with Pakistan on its support for cross-border terrorism.

It also marks a further delay in the ATAGS project that was started in 2013, with production scheduled to begin in 2019. The project was delayed earlier during the development cycle, with issues cropping up in the gun system’s recoil systems as well as delays in the manufacture of sub systems.
 

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Indigenous artillery gun may go back to drawing board after barrel burst
An indigenously developed artillery gun which suffered a barrel burst in field trials earlier this month injuring four Army personnel may need to go back to the drawing board, army officials told ET.

The malfunction of the Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS), a 155 mm/52 calibre gun system designed and developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), occurred during internal developmental firing at the Pokhran (Rajasthan) firing ranges on September 12, army officials told ET.

The incident is being viewed as a setback to defence modernisation efforts, especially since the Army had put on the backburner a proposal last year to procure 400 artillery guns of the same type from Israeli defence manufacturer Elbit Systems, as the homemade one was still under development.


The remaining 1,180 guns were to be produced by the Ordnance Factory Board. The proposal was put on hold as the DRDO project was heading towards completion. The mishap has also come at a time when the gun system had successfully completed trials and production of the first 40 was to begin shortly. The gun barrel, manufactured by Bharat Forge Ltd, exploded right after a firing test that was being supervised by DRDO officials, sources said.

When contacted, a DRDO spokesperson said an inquiry committee has been set up to look into the cause of the accident. “As soon as the report comes, we can share details. Cause is not very clear at present,” the spokesperson added.

While the cause of the accident would be revealed after a detailed inquiry, officials said it could have occurred due to the inferior quality of metallurgy or the barrel not meeting prescribed standards. An official told ET that design parameters will have to be brought back to the drawing board to ensure the gun has reliable technology that is safe for users.

The accident comes at a particularly difficult time, given the border standoff with China and the neighbouring country’s continued collusion with Pakistan on its support for cross-border terrorism.

It also marks a further delay in the ATAGS project that was started in 2013, with production scheduled to begin in 2019. The project was delayed earlier during the development cycle, with issues cropping up in the gun system’s recoil systems as well as delays in the manufacture of sub systems.
That smells of.....
 

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Indigenous artillery gun may go back to drawing board after barrel burst
An indigenously developed artillery gun which suffered a barrel burst in field trials earlier this month injuring four Army personnel may need to go back to the drawing board, army officials told ET.

The malfunction of the Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS), a 155 mm/52 calibre gun system designed and developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), occurred during internal developmental firing at the Pokhran (Rajasthan) firing ranges on September 12, army officials told ET.

The incident is being viewed as a setback to defence modernisation efforts, especially since the Army had put on the backburner a proposal last year to procure 400 artillery guns of the same type from Israeli defence manufacturer Elbit Systems, as the homemade one was still under development.


The remaining 1,180 guns were to be produced by the Ordnance Factory Board. The proposal was put on hold as the DRDO project was heading towards completion. The mishap has also come at a time when the gun system had successfully completed trials and production of the first 40 was to begin shortly. The gun barrel, manufactured by Bharat Forge Ltd, exploded right after a firing test that was being supervised by DRDO officials, sources said.

When contacted, a DRDO spokesperson said an inquiry committee has been set up to look into the cause of the accident. “As soon as the report comes, we can share details. Cause is not very clear at present,” the spokesperson added.

While the cause of the accident would be revealed after a detailed inquiry, officials said it could have occurred due to the inferior quality of metallurgy or the barrel not meeting prescribed standards. An official told ET that design parameters will have to be brought back to the drawing board to ensure the gun has reliable technology that is safe for users.

The accident comes at a particularly difficult time, given the border standoff with China and the neighbouring country’s continued collusion with Pakistan on its support for cross-border terrorism.

It also marks a further delay in the ATAGS project that was started in 2013, with production scheduled to begin in 2019. The project was delayed earlier during the development cycle, with issues cropping up in the gun system’s recoil systems as well as delays in the manufacture of sub systems.
If DRDO is going back to drawing board then it is highly unlikely that barrel burst happened due to faulty shell.
Second prototype build by TATA working well so why they are going to drawing board?? Why don't they investigate cause first?
Typical example, when a project reach to maturity then somebody try to sabotage project by one way or another way. Elbit was in game. Maybe somebody already took kickbacks money in advance and working in behalf of Israeli.
 

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If DRDO is going back to drawing board then it is highly unlikely that barrel burst happened due to faulty shell.
Second prototype build by TATA working well so why they are going to drawing board?? Why don't they investigate cause first?
Typical example, when a project reach to maturity then somebody try to sabotage project by one way or another way. Elbit was in game. Maybe somebody already took kickbacks money in advance and working in behalf of Israeli.
I was doubtful of the 6 Vs 7 zone charge theory of the shell, to start with. The shell and the platform would be 7 zone compliant. This is a trial not some mistake in the field. All testing parameters are 'set'.

Barrels in both the versions are made by Kalyani.
 

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Indigenous artillery gun may go back to drawing board after barrel burst
An indigenously developed artillery gun which suffered a barrel burst in field trials earlier this month injuring four Army personnel may need to go back to the drawing board, army officials told ET.

The malfunction of the Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS), a 155 mm/52 calibre gun system designed and developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), occurred during internal developmental firing at the Pokhran (Rajasthan) firing ranges on September 12, army officials told ET.

The incident is being viewed as a setback to defence modernisation efforts, especially since the Army had put on the backburner a proposal last year to procure 400 artillery guns of the same type from Israeli defence manufacturer Elbit Systems, as the homemade one was still under development.


The remaining 1,180 guns were to be produced by the Ordnance Factory Board. The proposal was put on hold as the DRDO project was heading towards completion. The mishap has also come at a time when the gun system had successfully completed trials and production of the first 40 was to begin shortly. The gun barrel, manufactured by Bharat Forge Ltd, exploded right after a firing test that was being supervised by DRDO officials, sources said.

When contacted, a DRDO spokesperson said an inquiry committee has been set up to look into the cause of the accident. “As soon as the report comes, we can share details. Cause is not very clear at present,” the spokesperson added.

While the cause of the accident would be revealed after a detailed inquiry, officials said it could have occurred due to the inferior quality of metallurgy or the barrel not meeting prescribed standards. An official told ET that design parameters will have to be brought back to the drawing board to ensure the gun has reliable technology that is safe for users.

The accident comes at a particularly difficult time, given the border standoff with China and the neighbouring country’s continued collusion with Pakistan on its support for cross-border terrorism.

It also marks a further delay in the ATAGS project that was started in 2013, with production scheduled to begin in 2019. The project was delayed earlier during the development cycle, with issues cropping up in the gun system’s recoil systems as well as delays in the manufacture of sub systems.
Hitjob, members now see how dalals will do their job.
Barrel burst, yes in m777 it was OFB for sure.
Everybody pointed out.
Here, it is ofcourse our faulty barrel manufacturing issue.
Chalo bhai, ye bhi project FARTLAL kha gaye.
The heck I will believe, barrel burst is like norm HERE IN INDIA, every gun is like.... They have to go barrel burst dude, It's fucking tradition.
DHANUSH had.
M777 had.
Now ATAGS had.
It was going in test, of course they were testing many things and different rounds compatibility.
This thing can happen, that does not mean go to drawing board.
This is clearly a hitjob.
Had this gun been in any other country it would had gone by now LIMITED serial production.
 
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It is a sabotage by either OFB or army so that more dhanush or Israeli guns are ordered.
Should not point fingers just like that. However, in the whole barrel blast fiasco, only one company held all the aces n that's Bharat Forge. Whichever gun(s) is selected, be it ATAGS, Bharat 52, Athos, Bharat Forge gets to make them. They can also make shells for the howitzers. I would say 'well played'.
 

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Indigenous artillery gun may go back to drawing board after barrel burst
An indigenously developed artillery gun which suffered a barrel burst in field trials earlier this month injuring four Army personnel may need to go back to the drawing board, army officials told ET.

The malfunction of the Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS), a 155 mm/52 calibre gun system designed and developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), occurred during internal developmental firing at the Pokhran (Rajasthan) firing ranges on September 12, army officials told ET.

The incident is being viewed as a setback to defence modernisation efforts, especially since the Army had put on the backburner a proposal last year to procure 400 artillery guns of the same type from Israeli defence manufacturer Elbit Systems, as the homemade one was still under development.


The remaining 1,180 guns were to be produced by the Ordnance Factory Board. The proposal was put on hold as the DRDO project was heading towards completion. The mishap has also come at a time when the gun system had successfully completed trials and production of the first 40 was to begin shortly. The gun barrel, manufactured by Bharat Forge Ltd, exploded right after a firing test that was being supervised by DRDO officials, sources said.

When contacted, a DRDO spokesperson said an inquiry committee has been set up to look into the cause of the accident. “As soon as the report comes, we can share details. Cause is not very clear at present,” the spokesperson added.

While the cause of the accident would be revealed after a detailed inquiry, officials said it could have occurred due to the inferior quality of metallurgy or the barrel not meeting prescribed standards. An official told ET that design parameters will have to be brought back to the drawing board to ensure the gun has reliable technology that is safe for users.

The accident comes at a particularly difficult time, given the border standoff with China and the neighbouring country’s continued collusion with Pakistan on its support for cross-border terrorism.

It also marks a further delay in the ATAGS project that was started in 2013, with production scheduled to begin in 2019. The project was delayed earlier during the development cycle, with issues cropping up in the gun system’s recoil systems as well as delays in the manufacture of sub systems.
A peculiar hit job article.
The writer is at lost about how to make sense, but tried hard to satisfy the financer.
 

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