Dalit PhD student Rohith Vemula commits suicide: Hyderabad University students cry foul

[Peter]

Well, I cannot contradict on your personal experience, even though what you faced was nothing but an exception.

Let me tell you a personal thing. A relative of mine got married with a lady who as castes go, belongs to a lower caste. His parents had only a frown to offer - not because of caste, but he did not ask prior permission before making decision like most Indian parents. Only verbal objection came from an NRI uncle who was based in US for last 30 years!

I personally did not know how virulent casteism is until I left for Gujarat.

Castes don't matter in WB, merit does.

Sir, he was joking. Bengal is the least casteist state and this thing is hard to digest for many people like him.

 

[asingh10]

Firstly the Roy title is used by Brahmans,kayasthas and even some SCs.

Manabendra Nath Roy (21 March 1887 – 26 January 1954), born Narendra Nath Bhattacharya,

Bhattacharya is SC ?

Lol there are no Dalits in bengal. Also read my above post.

Now coming to your illogical query why there are no Dalits in CPM. The thing is there is no equivalent term relating to Dalit in Bengal. Most Bengali SCs claim Shudra varna or Namashudra status. Some of them like Poundras ruled Bengal during the ancient ages. Rajbonshis ruled Coonch beehar. Gayatri Devi,the famous queen belonged to Rajbonshi caste which is under SC list.

http://www.anagrasarkalyan.gov.in/htm/sc_list.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pundra_Kingdom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_Rajbongshi_people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gayatri_Devi

The Dalits which you are accustomed with form only 4-5% of our population(Mochi,mathor,chamar). Most of the Mochi,Chamars of Bengal adopted Islam during the 13th-17th century. They were mostly Buddhists but after they were persecuted during the reign of Sena raja they turned to Islam when the invaders came.

So I hope you have understood why there are no Dalits in CPM. Now I will be kindly waiting your reply which will be presented with arguments countering mine.

Namasudra (also Namassej or Namassut) is an Indian avarna community originally from certain regions of Bengal, India. The community was earlier known as Chandala or Chandal,[1]a term usually considered as a slur.[2] They were traditionally engaged in cultivation and as boatmen.[3] They lived outside the four-tier ritual varna system and thus were outcastes.[4]

Do you know what Avarna is ?

Anyway, your answer to why WB has the lowest representation of non-upper castes / lower castes /backwards /whatever in legislature = lecture on why there is no such thing as Dalit in WB.

Both of these posts are classical e.g. of bhadralok sophistry and diversion tactics.

Tuktuki Mondal fell in love with the Muslim youth in question.I have read the entire Anandabazar,Bartaman,etc paper`s articles on the incident. The girl`s father probably was a man with archaic family values and could not let his daughter marry a Muslim(maybe he was a dirty yavan to him). So he created the false impression that his daughter had been kidnapped. Infact his daughter had willingly eloped with the Muslim youth. They had fallen in love in school. Tuktuki herself told that she had gone to the boy on her own. After that no one can defend her father.

Again ask @jackprince @bose @mikhail sirs on this issue.

See this is typical of you people. She was pressurized to give such statement under threat to her family.


And here's her interview, her own words. Listen carefully. She was forcefully converted.

 

[asingh10]

A little correction, Patidars are not obc. They fall under general category both at the state level and central level. Some of them want obc status, hence Hardik Patel circus.

Patidars come under Sudras in the classical varna system. I'm not talking about modern day classifications.

 

[asingh10]

Jogendranath Mandal happened in Bengal...because there is no casteism.

 

[jackprince]

No media outlet reported the so called riots. It could well have been a manufactured riot by a few blind bhakts like you.

What riot was not reported by media? Malda? Basirhat? Usthi Bazaar? Rajabazaar? Which one are you speaking about specifically? In WB, no riot where the peaceful community is perpetrator, is ever reported by the media. Even they tried to whitewash Malda, too. failed because SM leaked it and few of the national media picked it up. When the scale become known, every media had to get on with it except Bengali media.

The Bengali Bhadroloks do live in an utopia of pretend intellectual superiority where intellect and merit is judged based on one's ability to blindly follow extreme leftist ideology and divorcing pragmatism. The Bengali Bhadroloks are the modern day ostrich, much like the socialist Germans and politically correct Swedish.

The problem is not that they are committing suicide, it is they are poisoning the well that is India too. The effing marxism has braught doom to WB, and the same thing, only in different packages are presented through out India in the name of socialism and plurarism. I am fcuked, I know. my heart weeps for my child's future.

 

[asingh10]

No media outlet reported the so called riots. It could well have been a manufactured riot by a few blind bhakts like you.

You need to turn down that Rabindra Sangeet and pay attention.

 

[bose]

Some Ghosh are OBC. They are similar to the yadavs of Bihar. Please ask @pmaitra @jackprince ce and @bose sirs on this matter.

Ghosh are equivalent of Lalloo Yadav's of Bihar ... but some exception are also seen...

 

[Peter]

As per 2001 Census the total population ofScheduled Casteis 1,84,52,555 constituting 23.02% of the total population of the State.... First know your state before blaming others.

http://www.anagrasarkalyan.gov.in/htm/state_data.html#sdc

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Read my post again and again. Scheduled castes in bengal do not call themselves as Dalits but identify as Shudras(specificlaly as Namassah Suhdras or Namshudras). The population of SCs in Bengal is 23-25%.

Ask a few Bengali here. Do not quote before you have read my entire post.

 

[Peter]

Ghosh are equivalent of Lalloo Yadav's of Bihar ... but some exception are also seen...

Exactly they are not Kaysatha or Khatriyas. asingh10 has been mistaken. I even know a Ghosh who uses SC certificate in our university.

 

[asingh10]

Ghosh are equivalent of Lalloo Yadav's of Bihar ... but some exception are also seen...

Every Ghosh I've known was a Kayasth or a Brahmin. Sagarika Ghose is no OBC or Dalit.

 

[dhananjay1]

Patidars come under Sudras in the classical varna system. I'm not talking about modern day classifications.

But OBC is modern day classification, that's the word you used, hence my comment. Anyway keep up amar sonar bangla Vs Bhadralok are castiest hypocrite conversation, it's entertaining.

 

[Peter]

Every Ghosh I've known was a Kayasth or a Brahmin. Sagarika Ghose is no OBC or Dalit.

I could not help but laugh. You described them as Brahmans.:biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2::bounce::bounce::bounce::blah:

If I have time I will give you a classification of castes in Bengal along with titles.

 

[asingh10]

I could not help but laugh. You described them as Brahmans.:biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2::bounce::bounce::bounce::blah:

If I have time I will give you a classification of castes in Bengal along with titles.

You were asserting that MN Roy was an SC. What more do I need to say.

 

[A chauhan]

Forget casteism among Hindus in West Bengal, as far as I know there are almost 144 OBC castes of the Muslims alone there.

 

[Peter]

You were asserting that MN Roy was an SC. What more do I need to say.

I had said that Roy title is used by SCs along with Brahmans,Kayastahs etc. I have never asserted that MN Roy was SC. Again kindly read my entire post again.

 

[maomao]

Sir, I went to mars and then read your comment. After reading your comment in mars I am still convinced that there is no casteism in Bengal. Ciao sir.

Sir, I hope the view from Mars was mesmerising, however reading my comment even from orion won't make bengal casteism free or you were implying that your visit to mars has made bengal caste free?

I hope there is a planet which can make whole of bengal marxism free - I would advice all bhadraloks to visit this planet urgently before going to mars!

Jai Shree Ram!

 

[Peter]

Forget casteism among Hindus in West Bengal, as far as I know there are almost 144 OBC castes of the Muslims alone there.

Actually many of the SCs(both Bengali Hindu and Muslim) of Bengal are technically as per shastra or varna OBCs(shudras). This is why there is a confusion among non Bengali members here. They relate SC to Dalit and Dalits which is not true on an all Indian basis.

 

[Peter]

Manabendra Nath Roy (21 March 1887 – 26 January 1954), born Narendra Nath Bhattacharya,

Bhattacharya is SC ?





Namasudra (also Namassej or Namassut) is an Indian avarna community originally from certain regions of Bengal, India. The community was earlier known as Chandala or Chandal,[1]a term usually considered as a slur.[2] They were traditionally engaged in cultivation and as boatmen.[3] They lived outside the four-tier ritual varna system and thus were outcastes.[4]

Do you know what Avarna is ?

Anyway, your answer to why WB has the lowest representation of non-upper castes / lower castes /backwards /whatever in legislature = lecture on why there is no such thing as Dalit in WB.

Both of these posts are classical e.g. of bhadralok sophistry and diversion tactics.





See this is typical of you people. She was pressurized to give such statement under threat to her family.


And here's her interview, her own words. Listen carefully. She was forcefully converted.

Yes they were avarna but then even Kayathas like @bose sir were originally put under SC list by the British govt. Later the British realized their mistake and made Kaysthas as Kshatriyas and Chandals as Namshudras.
Relevant link given here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayastha

During the British Raj, British courts classified Kayasthas as Shudras, based largely upon the theories of Herbert Hope Risley. However, the Kayasthas of Bengal, Bombay and the United Provinces repeatedly challenged this classification, producing a flood of books, pamphlets, family histories and journals to support their position of holding Kshatriya status.[10]

The British initially made a mistake in a pre-1900 census. In 1911 census they corrected their mistakes and put out the correct classification.

 

[asingh10]

Brahmans in

I had said that Roy title is used by SCs along with Brahmans,Kayastahs etc. I have never asserted that MN Roy was SC. Again kindly read my entire post again.

That was actually denialism and diversion from your side, you wanted to portray MN Roy as a backward just so that you can claim Commies are inclusive. That was until I posted Roy's full name and now you are backtracking.

Sagarika Ghose is a Kayasth btw. Not an OBC. Very much a Bhadralok. So my point still holds about media being UC dominated.

 

[Peter]

Bhattacharya is not SC but Brahman. I do not understand why I commented on Roys and you are commenting on Bhattacharyas.