Civil war in Ukraine

[jouni]

 

[pmaitra]

And as long as nations behave like living organisms (which they currently do) these laws will apply.

So true.

Yes, smaller animals cling together. A tiger, walks alone.

 

[Akim]

 

[go_tango]

I was talking about attacking NEIGHBOURS. Serbian bombings ended ten years of civil war and now they are joining EU. I have visited Lappeenranta many times, why?

Regarding west the aggressor, it is just few countries who had colonie. Rest of us prospered for other reasons.

Ohh so double standards u people are..?ur neighbours have the right to live a peaceful life,but the denizens of Middle East won't..right..so let's go and topple thir Govts,bomb their civilians,install western democracy,cease their existence as a STATE,loot their resources and fill up ur gold reserves..right..who gives a damn about them..!FEAR THE GODS..I always thought GOD created ALL EQUAL..but so called THE ELITES like u people have a different view it seems..!and the reality EU is a failed institution,economically and morally..to be doomed soon..even a high school student knows this.!

 

[jouni]

Ohh so double standards u people are..?ur neighbours have the right to live a peaceful life,but the denizens of Middle East won't..right..so let's go and topple thir Govts,bomb their civilians,install western democracy,cease their existence as a STATE,loot their resources and fill up ur gold reserves..right..who gives a damn about them..!FEAR THE GODS..I always thought GOD created ALL EQUAL..but so called THE ELITES like u people have a different view it seems..!and the reality EU is a failed institution,economically and morally..to be doomed soon..even a high school student knows this.!

EU will strengthen in the future, it has more equal distribution of wealth than US and Asia. We are not better than rest of the world, just ahead in all areas. Europe struggled with totaliatarism and poverty 75 - 200 years ago. ( compared to Russia, Middle east and Asia nowadays ).

Of course especially Asia is developing at a lightning speed and has good future ahead. One thing I do not understand from you is this blaming of others. Finland was under Sweden & Russia for centuries, we don't blame them on anything actually. In fact Finland was pretty well off as a grand duchy of Czarist Empire.

 

[JBH22]

EU will strengthen in the future, it has more equal distribution of wealth than US and Asia. We are not better than rest of the world, just ahead in all areas. Europe struggled with totaliatarism and poverty 75 - 200 years ago. ( compared to Russia, Middle east and Asia nowadays ).

Wrong. EU is not socialist crap but definitely capitalist. So redistribution of wealth is a wet dream of yours
The world will continue to suffer from poverty and totalitarism because men are greedy by nature. Its survival of the fittest.

EU itself is a fortress with cracks high debts, ageing demographics, massive influx of immigrants which is leading to rising discontent. The Euro is time bomb

Of course especially Asia is developing at a lightning speed and has good future ahead. One thing I do not understand from you is this blaming of others. Finland was under Sweden & Russia for centuries, we don't blame them on anything actually. In fact Finland was pretty well off as a grand duchy of Czarist Empire.

Its your holier than thou mentality that is just sick

Its no longer colonial past when you invade and educate the so called "indigenous" populace.

 

[jouni]

Wrong. EU is not socialist crap but definitely capitalist. So redistribution of wealth is a wet dream of yours
The world will continue to suffer from poverty and totalitarism because men are greedy by nature. Its survival of the fittest.

EU itself is a fortress with cracks high debts, ageing demographics, massive influx of immigrants which is leading to rising discontent. The Euro is time bomb



Its your holier than thou mentality that is just sick

Its no longer colonial past when you invade and educate the so called "indigenous" populace.

http://www.nordiclabourjournal.org/...welfare-system-appeals-to-indian-it-engineers
http://www.jykes.fi/fi/kansainvaeli...the-diary-of-an-indian-girl-living-in-finland
It might do good to you to visit Europe and see for your own eyes what is happening here.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...8YLQCg&usg=AFQjCNF0j3Tsl2L8yBspsgKiFcjxRqn3iA

 

[go_tango]

EU will strengthen in the future, it has more equal distribution of wealth than US and Asia. We are not better than rest of the world, just ahead in all areas. Europe struggled with totaliatarism and poverty 75 - 200 years ago. ( compared to Russia, Middle east and Asia nowadays ).

Of course especially Asia is developing at a lightning speed and has good future ahead. One thing I do not understand from you is this blaming of others. Finland was under Sweden & Russia for centuries, we don't blame them on anything actually. In fact Finland was pretty well off as a grand duchy of Czarist Empire.

As for EU s future and wealth,we will see...relax a period of 5years.!Stop interfering in the internal affairs of a sovereign State,minus the proxy wars,people will stop blaming.!

 

[jouni]

As for EU s future and wealth,we will see...relax a period of 5years.!Stop interfering in the internal affairs of a sovereign State,minus the proxy wars,people will stop blaming.!

Ok, we'll do that, if you promise to stop speaking english with funny accent .

 

[go_tango]

Ok, we'll do that, if you promise to stop speaking english with funny accent .

If it troubles u..I can't help it...!:yield:

 

[JBH22]

Ok, we'll do that, if you promise to stop speaking english with funny accent .

[ACCENT]Thank you come again [/ACCENT]

 

[@yourService]

I was talking about attacking NEIGHBOURS. Serbian bombings ended ten years of civil war and now they are joining EU. I have visited Lappeenranta many times, why?

Regarding west the aggressor, it is just few countries who had colonie. Rest of us prospered for other reasons.

I see. So why did Poland organise training for Ukrainian neo nazi groups under the pretext of exchange programs ? Aren't Poland and Ukraine neighbors ?
I have a close friend from Lapeenranta who told me that it's a beautiful place. This is the reason why I asked you.
Well, those 'few' countries officially occupied Africa(except heroic Ethiopia against Italy) until last century. The same is applicable to every other continent. Do you know who are native Indians or Aborigines ?
Anyway, the list is known to all and most importantly at this moment I don't really want to give you a history lesson.
There is an interesting pattern we can find. I am fortunate that you mentioned something about those 'few' countries.
Here is an excerpt of those few nations comprising Coalition of Willing
US - I don't think anyone needs info of wars this country has started or participated
UK - the unsinkable carrier of US, a trusted lackey
Australia - they always try to follow their rotten root
Japan - no foreign invasion but if there is a WMD, they will rush to save the mankind
Poland - Time to bring the glory for their shattered PL commonwealth
Ukraine - Slava Ukraina, Geroyim Slava ! (I don't know which twisted logic @Akim will present, supporting Iraq aggression)
Georgia - Too bad they got their a** kicked in 2008 and had to end their journey for their little empire. It's a coincidence that soon
Romania - Antonescu revived !
Estonia - Oh, poor weak Balts
Bulgaria - Slavic counterpart of Romania
Moldova - They have more interest for Iraq, than neighboring Transnistria
Albania - Godfather of Kosovo, protecting Muslims in Iraq
Denmark - Oh, land of Anders fog of war Rasmussen
Czech Republic - Not only in football and ice hockey, they are in this game too
South Korea - They went there only to serve Bulgogi
Tonga - This part is hilarious ! They had to prove that they got an army which can even invade !
Azerbaijan - Another Muslim country protecting Muslims
Singapore - Asian tiger on the hunt !
Bosnia & Herzegovina - Seasoned fighters, aren't they ?
Macedonia - Alexander is coming !
Latvia - Another poor frightened Balt.
Kazakhstan - Former USSR republic and current Eurasian Economic Union went there too
Armenia - One of oldest Christian nations, spreading Christianity on Assyria
Mongolia - Just one word - Mongol !
Slovakia - Despite Czechoslovakia is no more but Slovak brothers followed their Czech brethren
Lithuania - Junior partner of PL commonwealth supporting the flank
Italy - Time for Roman revival, even if Mussolini failed achieving so
Norway - Even the most socialist country in Europe went there spreading socialism
Hungary - Astro-Hungary Empire will be coming soon
Iceland - It's rumored that after taking part in Iraq democracy movement their country went bankrupt
Nicaragua - Central America has a representative too, none should think that they don't love democracy
Honduras - same as above
Dominican Republic - same as above
Spain - @arapakola, except Greece, all other PIGS were in Iraq
Portugal - do
New Zealand - thus all members of ANZUS took part in mission Iraqi Democracy
Netherlands - Flying Dutchmen were there too
Thailand - Lone member from ASEAN
Philippines - It's pathetic to find that the country who suffered so much at the hands of IJA, willingly participated in an aggression, oops democracy delivery mission

Now we can see, there were 21 countries from Europe. I haven't counted Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia. There were very few, isn't it folks ?

 

[@yourService]

Interesting news.
Latvia's ruling coalition keeps Russia-leaning party at bay in election
Harmony party, backed mainly by ethnic Russians, wins largest number of votes, but is unlikely to secure a role in government



A party mainly backed by ethnic Russians won the largest number of votes in Latvia's parliamentary elections this weekend, but is likely to be shut out of government after fears over a resurgent Kremlin dominated the campaign.

The Harmony party, led by the mayor of Riga, Nil Ushakov, won 23% of the votes in the elections, while the coalition of three current ruling parties had 56% between them.

After the Kremlin's actions in Ukraine and increased rhetoric about protecting Russians abroad, there have been concerns among the Latvian elite that the country's large Russian-speaking minority could be used to give Moscow a foothold in the small Baltic state.

Harmony favours closer ties with Moscow, while maintaining Latvia's Nato and EU membership, and Ushakov raised eyebrows in Riga with a visit to Moscow recently during which he proclaimed that the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, was "the best option that Latvia can hope for" in the current political climate.

The election result shows that Ushakov's attempts to reach beyond his traditional ethnic Russian base and appeal to a broader electorate have failed.

The results will give Harmony 25 seats in Latvia's 100-seat parliament, six fewer than they had before the elections, when they were also the largest single party in parliament. Other parties, however, were reluctant to enter a coalition with what is seen as the "Russian party".

"Putting the current votes for the coalition in the preliminary results together, it has convincingly acquired a majority," Latvia's president, Andris Berzins, said on Sunday in a televised address.

The parties will now have a week in which to enter negotiations, with a similar configuration to the current parliament the most likely outcome.

"It was a victory for the coalition," said Ojars Kalnins, an MP with the Unity party, represented by the current prime minister, Laimdota Straujuma, who may well continue in the job. "It's a good indication that we should be able to put together a similar government."

Kalnins said that Ushakov, who has been a popular mayor of Riga and whose party has more leftwing political views than the ruling parties, failed to win support among ethnic Latvian voters.

"Before the Ukraine crisis and the Russian change in behaviour, he was making inroads at least with more leftwing Latvians," Kalnins said. "But by taking a passive position on the Russian aggression in Ukraine, he strengthened support among his core voting group but lost a lot of people who expected something stronger from him."

A third of Latvia's population is Russian-speaking, but about 280,000 are "non-citizens" of the country, holding special passports that bar them from voting. In order to become citizens, they have to take an exam on Latvian culture and history, a process which Russian rights groups say amounts to discrimination, but Latvian authorities say is necessary given the history of Soviet occupation and forced Russification policies of the past.

Many ethnic Russians in Latvia see themselves as different and more European-oriented than their counterparts in Russia itself, but nevertheless say they are frustrated at what they see as the lack of a political voice.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/05/latvia-ruling-coalition-russia-leaning
-party-election

Thus, representational democracy is not welcome in democratic West.

 

[Akim]

Ukraine - Slava Ukraina, Geroyim Slava ! (I don't know which twisted logic @Akim will present, supporting Iraq aggression)

Are you достал/ sick and tired! I did not support the war in Iraq, neither in Afghanistan nor in Libya. I had always admired Lenin and hated Bandera. However, Russia invaded Ukraine. So we teamed up to protect against a common enemy. Such as I in the country more than half. Can you understood it, its dim-witted brains?!
P.S. I think we have the worst Government in the last 10 years. However, it is our internal problems.

 

[jouni]

I see. So why did Poland organise training for Ukrainian neo nazi groups under the pretext of exchange programs ? Aren't Poland and Ukraine neighbors ?
I have a close friend from Lapeenranta who told me that it's a beautiful place. This is the reason why I asked you.
Well, those 'few' countries officially occupied Africa(except heroic Ethiopia against Italy) until last century. The same is applicable to every other continent. Do you know who are native Indians or Aborigines ?
Anyway, the list is known to all and most importantly at this moment I don't really want to give you a history lesson.
There is an interesting pattern we can find. I am fortunate that you mentioned something about those 'few' countries.
Here is an excerpt of those few nations comprising Coalition of Willing
US - I don't think anyone needs info of wars this country has started or participated
UK - the unsinkable carrier of US, a trusted lackey
Australia - they always try to follow their rotten root
Japan - no foreign invasion but if there is a WMD, they will rush to save the mankind
Poland - Time to bring the glory for their shattered PL commonwealth
Ukraine - Slava Ukraina, Geroyim Slava ! (I don't know which twisted logic @Akim will present, supporting Iraq aggression)
Georgia - Too bad they got their a** kicked in 2008 and had to end their journey for their little empire. It's a coincidence that soon
Romania - Antonescu revived !
Estonia - Oh, poor weak Balts
Bulgaria - Slavic counterpart of Romania
Moldova - They have more interest for Iraq, than neighboring Transnistria
Albania - Godfather of Kosovo, protecting Muslims in Iraq
Denmark - Oh, land of Anders fog of war Rasmussen
Czech Republic - Not only in football and ice hockey, they are in this game too
South Korea - They went there only to serve Bulgogi
Tonga - This part is hilarious ! They had to prove that they got an army which can even invade !
Azerbaijan - Another Muslim country protecting Muslims
Singapore - Asian tiger on the hunt !
Bosnia & Herzegovina - Seasoned fighters, aren't they ?
Macedonia - Alexander is coming !
Latvia - Another poor frightened Balt.
Kazakhstan - Former USSR republic and current Eurasian Economic Union went there too
Armenia - One of oldest Christian nations, spreading Christianity on Assyria
Mongolia - Just one word - Mongol !
Slovakia - Despite Czechoslovakia is no more but Slovak brothers followed their Czech brethren
Lithuania - Junior partner of PL commonwealth supporting the flank
Italy - Time for Roman revival, even if Mussolini failed achieving so
Norway - Even the most socialist country in Europe went there spreading socialism
Hungary - Astro-Hungary Empire will be coming soon
Iceland - It's rumored that after taking part in Iraq democracy movement their country went bankrupt
Nicaragua - Central America has a representative too, none should think that they don't love democracy
Honduras - same as above
Dominican Republic - same as above
Spain - @arapakola, except Greece, all other PIGS were in Iraq
Portugal - do
New Zealand - thus all members of ANZUS took part in mission Iraqi Democracy
Netherlands - Flying Dutchmen were there too
Thailand - Lone member from ASEAN
Philippines - It's pathetic to find that the country who suffered so much at the hands of IJA, willingly participated in an aggression, oops democracy delivery mission

Now we can see, there were 21 countries from Europe. I haven't counted Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia. There were very few, isn't it folks ?

Well, there is no Finland on the list, is there? Because I live 20km from Russian border, I care more about they attacking neignbours, than some distant wars. Putin is the biggest threat to European people since Hitler, and because he had the chance to learn from both him and Stalin, makes him even more dangerous.

All this deception and propaganda that Putin has used in Ukraine, is very familiar for finns. We encountered it in the last wars and since then it has been a subject of both studies in military academies and a neverending source of jokes. To see it used 2014 and with much improved methods in Ukraine, makes it pretty scary actually.

I hope that behind curtain of silence west European leaders are making plans how to stop Putin, like Hitler should have stopped in 1938.

And yes, Lappeenranta is nice place

 

[apple]

No, it is all about alliances nowadays. Hope you also learn it someday.

Think a lot of the posters on this thread provide a good demonstration of why India's had never been in a meaningful alliance. Are you familiar with the English language phrase "kiss up and kick down"? it's about relationships and respect.

I see. So why did Poland organise training for Ukrainian neo nazi groups under the pretext of exchange programs ? Aren't Poland and Ukraine neighbors ?
I have a close friend from Lapeenranta who told me that it's a beautiful place. This is the reason why I asked you.
Well, those 'few' countries officially occupied Africa(except heroic Ethiopia against Italy) until last century. The same is applicable to every other continent. Do you know who are native Indians or Aborigines ?
Anyway, the list is known to all and most importantly at this moment I don't really want to give you a history lesson.
There is an interesting pattern we can find. I am fortunate that you mentioned something about those 'few' countries.
Here is an excerpt of those few nations comprising Coalition of Willing

******Long list of countries, with disparging insults directed at them, involved in the War on Terror********

Now we can see, there were 21 countries from Europe. I haven't counted Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia. There were very few, isn't it folks ?

What's the relevance of 19th. century colonism and military intervention in Iraq, etc... to the present situation in the Ukraine?

Do you know who native Siberians are? Russia was Europe's largest coloniser of Asia. Although, that's not so relevant.

Lappeenranta is pretty enough, away from the factories. But that whole area smells awful almost always.

Yeah tell me more about Royal Indian Army that fought in Northern Africa and Europe. Tell me about Bengal famine, better educate yourself pal.

You just lost the argument haven't you

MIddle east are the sub humans its different in the uber EU population duh

There never was a Royal Indian Army. Back then, it was called the Indian Army, historically it's usually referred to as the British Indian Army.

All the racist comments I've seen on this board have been written by Indians. European racism exists, but you don't seem to understand Europe very well and should educate yourself more before calling Europeans racist.

Wrong. EU is not socialist crap but definitely capitalist. So redistribution of wealth is a wet dream of yours
The world will continue to suffer from poverty and totalitarism because men are greedy by nature. Its survival of the fittest.

EU itself is a fortress with cracks high debts, ageing demographics, massive influx of immigrants which is leading to rising discontent. The Euro is time bomb

Its your holier than thou mentality that is just sick

Its no longer colonial past when you invade and educate the so called "indigenous" populace.

He didn't mention redistribution of wealth, he said a more equal distribution of wealth.

While I can't imagine it will ever happen in any real form, Europeans seem to be the only people in the world still discussing redistribution of social capital. I know in Finland there are still morons talking about a "citizen's salary" (kansalaispalkka/ perustulo) which Jouni could probably explain if he wants to teach the people here about Europe.

 

[jouni]

@apple

Perustulo ( citizen salary ) is basically that you get from the government 700 Euros/ month if you are unemployed, on top of that you get allowance for your rent, you have a possibility to free meal. By comparison average salary in russia was 2013 580 Euros/ month. You can live decent life even if you fall out of the labour market.

There have recently been talks about giving this money to everybody even without losing job, you just basically say to the goverment: "give me the money, bro and I will lay low...". So people could decide whether they want to work for a living or not.

We pay a lot of taxes, but we also receive a lot. All people are being taken care of from birth to the grave. Thats why our prisons are empty, in Finland social security system does what penal system does in USA...

 

[arpakola]

Are you достал/ sick and tired! I did not support the war in Iraq, neither in Afghanistan nor in Libya. I had always admired Lenin and hated Bandera. However, Russia invaded Ukraine. So we teamed up to protect against a common enemy. Such as I in the country more than half. Can you understood it, its dim-witted brains?!
P.S. I think we have the worst Government in the last 10 years. However, it is our internal problems.

hay man ... you realy have a serius issue
Doctors will not help ... you need brain anti-toxinisation ASAP..
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there goes the airport that costed the lifes of 200 ukranians (rip) . The stupidness of their leadership forcing them not to leave it through sav coridor..

What the battle for the Donetsk airport reveals about the Ukrainian and Novorussian forces
The Vineyard of the Saker: What the battle for the Donetsk airport reveals about the Ukrainian and Novorussian forces

...
The Ukies do not have the reconnaissance/intelligence capabilities to track the movements of NAF units inside Donetsk. Nor do they have correctors which could correct artillery fire. Furthermore, while the Junta Repression Forces (JRF) forces to the northwest of the airport can, maybe, provider fire support to the Ukies in the airport, the artillery in the airport itself is useless because the NAF forces are too close for that kind of artillery to be of much use. Besides, the JRF have a few (2?) tanks and mortars to do that. So the only possible use for the Ukie forces at the airport was to try to terrorize the people of Donetsk. This is simply mind-blowing, but it appears that 1000 or so Ukies were killed in months of heavy fighting for the sole purpose of killing civilians. Yes, it does sound absolutely crazy, but that is because it is absolutely crazy...
..............

 

[jouni]

Arpakola, at least the Ukrainian have put up more fight than you put against Germans in 1940-41.

 

[arpakola]