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Akim

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But UA is loosing in all the fronts..?n ur Govt is desperately calling for western military aid..?
I agree. When started in late August, an armed collision between the Ukrainian army and the Russian regular army were large losses in military equipment . Almost 60% of the military equipment was damaged. Remember, however, that in the beginning it was ATO. All volunteer battalions and battalions of territorial defense obey the police. The army has been on the sidelines. Therefore, when the regular Russian army faced with the Ukrainian army offensive was stopped.
The government has called for help, asking them to supply military equipment, but the West was limited to " a friendly Pat on the shoulder". Therefore, there is a forced truce. Need to repair military equipment that is in storage. Every week from warehouses army and police receive hundreds of pieces of military equipment. In early September, the army was badly needed in light armored vehicles, trucks and ATGMs. Now this problem is less catastrophic.

 

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Bla-bla-bla
Operational summary as of 18.20
The situation in the Donetsk airport controlled by forces ATO. The militants during the storming of the old terminal used against the Ukrainian servicemen smoke bombs and under their cover captured the first floor.
The counter-attack our forces terrorists rejected on initial boundaries. Now Ukrainian soldiers continue to defend a strategic object.
Part of the old terminal involved in the fire.
https://www.facebook.com/ato.news/posts/872315629445911?notif_t=notify_me
 
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"Russia is a dwarf - I'll put her on her knees." Carl 12th, XVIII century.
After a series of military campaigns of the Peter I, Sweden forever lost its superpower status.

"I will conquer backward Russia." king of Prussia Friedrich, mid XVIII century.
In 1759, the Russian army entered Berlin.

"Russia - a colossus with feet of clay." Napoleon, XIX century.
In 1814, the Russian army took Paris.

"I will conquer in the Soviet Russia just by the end of this year." Hitler, 1941 XX century.
In 1945 he committed suicide, when the Soviet Army entered Berlin. ;

"Russia - just regional country" said Barack Obama, March 26, 2014...
 

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"Russia is a dwarf - I'll put her on her knees." Carl 12th, XVIII century.
After a series of military campaigns of the Peter I, Sweden forever lost its superpower status.

"I will conquer backward Russia." king of Prussia Friedrich, mid XVIII century.
In 1759, the Russian army entered Berlin.

"Russia - a colossus with feet of clay." Napoleon, XIX century.
In 1814, the Russian army took Paris.

"I will conquer in the Soviet Russia just by the end of this year." Hitler, 1941 XX century.
In 1945 he committed suicide, when the Soviet Army entered Berlin. ;

"Russia - just regional country" said Barack Obama, March 26, 2014...
Sir, it's a magnificent compilation regarding status of Russia vis a vis Western militarism. Anyway, I think Alexander Nevsky and his struggle against Tutonic knights could have been added here too. :thumb:
 

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"Russia is a dwarf - I'll put her on her knees." Carl 12th, XVIII century.
After a series of military campaigns of the Peter I, Sweden forever lost its superpower status.

"I will conquer backward Russia." king of Prussia Friedrich, mid XVIII century.
In 1759, the Russian army entered Berlin.

"Russia - a colossus with feet of clay." Napoleon, XIX century.
In 1814, the Russian army took Paris.

"I will conquer in the Soviet Russia just by the end of this year." Hitler, 1941 XX century.
In 1945 he committed suicide, when the Soviet Army entered Berlin. ;

"Russia - just regional country" said Barack Obama, March 26, 2014...
So true ..SIR...! Would u mind,if I repost it in my social pages..!!thanx
 

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01:15, shell hitting a tower.
19:00, the Soviet "Carl-Gustav," aka, the SPG-9, although, the spin to the projectile is aerodynamically imparted, and the gun itself is not a rifle, but a smoothbore. Another difference is that the projectile does have its own rocket motor that ignites after being fired from the barrel.
25:25, there appears to be a corpse covered in a cyan blanket.
27:40, launching from UBGLs at the building, before storming it, backed by a tank. This is called smokin' 'em rats out.
28:50, another corpse, although it is unclear, whose it is. There is no flair or insignia.
30:00, volunteers from Abkhazia, followed by volunteers from South Ossetia. I can see why South Ossetians and Abkhaz are so motivated. They have, not so long ago, suffered a genocide in the hands of a US puppet dictator.
32:15, injured militiaman, shot in the calf, after being evacuated in a UAZ. Plenty more injured militiamen from here onwards. Lots of blood too. However, the injured men seem to be rather relaxed while medics nurse their wounds.
35:00, martyred militiamen. One of the men is wearing a Muslim skull cap. He is possibly a Tatar, Chechen, Ingush, Dagestani, etc..
35:35, Ack-Ack gun, aka Zenitnaya Ustanovka, aka ZU-23-2, aka garden-hose, in direct fire
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"Russia is a dwarf - I'll put her on her knees." Carl 12th, XVIII century.
After a series of military campaigns of the Peter I, Sweden forever lost its superpower status.

"I will conquer backward Russia." king of Prussia Friedrich, mid XVIII century.
In 1759, the Russian army entered Berlin.

"Russia - a colossus with feet of clay." Napoleon, XIX century.
In 1814, the Russian army took Paris.

"I will conquer in the Soviet Russia just by the end of this year." Hitler, 1941 XX century.
In 1945 he committed suicide, when the Soviet Army entered Berlin. ;

"Russia - just regional country" said Barack Obama, March 26, 2014...
You all have a short memory
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/europe-russia/44144-all-monuments-lenin-removed-russian-cities.html
 

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I have a question for @juoni, with the attention of @Razor.

@jouni, when you were talking about the so called 70 years of peace in Europe, is this what you were referring to?

Please do not deflect from the question by talking about some "bogeyman."
I was referring to war between Nation states. Yugoslavian civil war was a tragedy. Luckily NATO brought it to a peace. Now Serbia is applying EU membership.
 
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Thanks for your help, you really are good with computers, that's Indians strength.

Ps. I did ask NATO for help, but they told not to bother them while they were frying babies.
Please contact me for some Indian spices, your dishes will taste better.
 

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"Russia is a dwarf - I'll put her on her knees." Carl 12th, XVIII century.
After a series of military campaigns of the Peter I, Sweden forever lost its superpower status.

"I will conquer backward Russia." king of Prussia Friedrich, mid XVIII century.
In 1759, the Russian army entered Berlin.

"Russia - a colossus with feet of clay." Napoleon, XIX century.
In 1814, the Russian army took Paris.

"I will conquer in the Soviet Russia just by the end of this year." Hitler, 1941 XX century.
In 1945 he committed suicide, when the Soviet Army entered Berlin. ;

"Russia - just regional country" said Barack Obama, March 26, 2014...
You really like to defend Russia. I was watching a documentary about the independence of India. It looked like the politicians really liked to have a peaceful two state solution. Russia does the opposite Putin deliberately brought war to the area. His actions does not deserve your sympathy.
 

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Ukraine's refugees in Russia are there to stay, in new twist for conflict

TULA, Russia — First the war in eastern Ukraine sent Anna Gurova's family running to Russia. Now most of the residents on her old street have departed — and she said few of them plan to return, even if peace settles over the industrial region they once called home.

As Ukraine's conflict settles into a calmer but still bloody rhythm, many of the war's hundreds of thousands of refugees are rebuilding their lives elsewhere and giving up on a region that appears destined for permanent instability. Many have little intention of living in an area that is violently polarized between those who support Kiev and those who trust Moscow — especially now that the battle lines appear likely to be frozen in place, perhaps for years.

The depopulation of eastern Ukraine may have tough consequences for the region's status as the country's industrial heartland — and it is a first sign of the prospects for the evolving enclave. Since the fall of the Soviet Union, the Kremlin has used other dormant conflicts in Moldova and Georgia to pressure national governments, stoking low-level tumult that has lasted years. The terms of the Sept. 5 cease-fire may do the same in Ukraine, officials say.

"We are working on our Russian documents to become citizens," Gurova said as she rested after her shift as a ticket-seller on a public bus route. "We came here just to save our children and move on with our lives."

Gurova, her husband and two sons fled the eastern Ukrainian town of Snizhne in June, convinced that the fighting would soon find them. Gurova gave up her job as a candymaker and her husband quit his factory job, and they cashed in the last of their savings to pay for the bus tickets to Russia. Eventually they found their way to Tula, a city of 500,000 residents about 100 miles south of Moscow that is famous for its curving brass samovars.

Refugees prepare for their day at a temporary home in Tula, Russia. More than a dozen people sleep in the room. (Diana Markosian/The Washington Post)

Now, she says, they have no intention to go home, particularly because sporadic shelling has continued near rebel-held Snizhne even after the cease-fire took effect, as both sides appear to jockey for position before battle lines solidify even further.

"There won't be peace anytime soon. How can you be at peace when your brothers come to shoot you?" she said, referring to the Ukrainian military forces that she blamed for the violence. Most of her friends from back home are now in Russia, she said, and they have fanned across the country's vast territory. Some moved to Magadan, a Siberian city that was once central to Stalin's penal system. Others are in Astrakhan, a city near the Caspian Sea.

The United Nations says that more than 1 million Ukrainians have been displaced by the fighting. Estimates of the number of people who have fled vary and frequently have been used to prove political points. Official Russian estimates fluctuate on of the number of Ukrainians who escaped the fighting into their country, but officials most recently have said that 875,000 people have fled and that about 300,000 of those have applied for temporary residence.

The Sept. 5 cease-fire has allowed some people to return home, but violence has continued, keeping many away. Perhaps more enduringly, the polarized nature of the conflict means that pro-Russians will long be cautious about returning to Ukrainian-held territory and pro-Kiev residents fear life in rebel-held lands.

Authorities on both sides of the Russian-Ukrainian border appear to be preparing for a long-term population shift.

"This is a group of people who we should accommodate and provide for," Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said last week. "They are staying here to work and live, and they should get jobs and their children should go to school."
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Germany on Monday committed $32 million toward building housing for refugees in eastern Ukraine, a recognition that local infrastructure has been devastated and that some of those who were displaced by the fighting may never return to their original home.

Anna Gurova, 27, with her children in their home in Tula, Russia. Gurova and her husband fled the fighting in Ukraine this summer. They have both managed to find work and an apartment in Tula. (Diana Markosian/The Washington Post)

The displacement may spell complications for the shuttered mines and silenced factories that dot eastern Ukraine's landscape. Already, Ukraine's central bank is forecasting that the economy will shrink by 10 percent this year. The country is scrambling to find money to pay its obligations.

In Tula, local authorities are being forced to move quickly to arrange jobs and accommodations for the new arrivals.

"This situation is now close to an emergency," said Marina Levina, the deputy governor of the Tula region who handles refugee and migration issues. "Nobody was making preparations to accept people here" before the conflict started, she said. She said that regional officials expected almost three-quarters of the 4,000 people who have settled in Tula to stay there permanently.

Volunteers in Tula have banded together to help the Ukrainians in their midst.

"They need warm clothing. They don't have winters like we do here. And also medicine," said Tatyana Deeva, 26, a leader of about 10 volunteers in her city who have tried to organize supplies and services for the refugees. At first, she said, regional officials seemed to be put off by the group's efforts, which are uncommon in Russia, because there is not a deep tradition of volunteerism, but they have started to work together.

Although the reception of the refugees has been largely positive in Tula, some residents appear frustrated by the perception that the government has been paying more attention to the plight of Ukrainians than to Russians' issues at home.

"It's good and bad," said Lena, a woman who was smoking a cigarette outside a pharmacy near a refugee center in Tula and declined to give her last name. "They're given accommodation, jobs and everything. Russians don't get that."

In reality, the refugees' lives are not so simple — emergency quarters are spartan, and jobs are not guaranteed — but the cautious words reflect a feeling that not all is well for ordinary Russians. Some Ukrainians in Tula say they have felt that sentiment as they have tried to rebuild their lives in a new country.

"We don't have housing because it's destroyed. We don't have money. We don't have jobs," said Evgeniya Stavnichaya, 31, who was a driving instructor in Snizhne and is now searching for work in Tula. She is living in a cramped room along with her boyfriend, her 9-year-old daughter and nine other refugees. Two toilets serve 50 people, and Stavnichaya is trying to leave as soon as she can.

Her daughter is struggling in school — the math classes are advanced far beyond the multiplication tables that she just learned in Ukraine — but Stavnichaya is resolved to build her family's life in Russia.

"I don't want to go back. There is no stability. And it would be very hard to find a job," she said.

Ukraine's refugees in Russia are there to stay, in new twist for conflict - The Washington Post
It will be very helpful if respected members share their opinion about this tragedy. @pmaitra , @Razor, @bhramos , @happy , @arpakola , @jouni , @go_tango
Last but not the least, @Akim , do you think this too is a Russian propaganda ?
 
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Seems pretty credible. Russia's objective in Ukraine is to destabilize the country like Georgia etc before. Democratic Ukraine in lines for example Poland would expose too much Russia's own autocracy turning totaliaritarianism. Putin fears that. Lets see how long this Nationalistic ecstasy lasts in Russia. Economy going down the way it goes in Russia may change that, but who knows.

For me as a Finn who works daily with Russians, it has been unbelievable to see how within a year people who were developing open mindlessness and wanting to develop their country, turned into a paranoid fearful mode. That is the grip state has on them. Unbelievable.
 
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Ukraine's refugees in Russia are there to stay, in new twist for conflict

Last but not the least, @Akim , do you think this too is a Russian propaganda ?
No. So there are actually. Many Ukrainian citizens went to Russia and became refugees. This is "the charms" of the war. Many people were forced to return to occupied territory, because he could not find in other parts of Ukraine work and permanent housing for the winter. What do you this article wanted to tell me?
 
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You really like to defend Russia. I was watching a documentary about the independence of India. It looked like the politicians really liked to have a peaceful two state solution. Russia does the opposite Putin deliberately brought war to the area. His actions does not deserve your sympathy.
Then you are retarded if you believe two state theory was something that just crop up.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Russia is protecting its interest and Ukraine like it or not is its backyard.

As regards to supposedly benefit of joining west side ask Pakistan or Iraq what they got :)
 
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