Civil war in Ukraine

[Akim]

NLAW and M141 arrived in Donbass.

 

[Jimih]

@Akim

 

[The Shrike]

The cyberattacks were not really very high level (in case they are just DDoS attacks) but still could be part of the "plan".

 

[Akim]

@Akim

We've already discussed this here.
Zelensky does not have a constitutional majority in Parliament + Ukrainian society will not accept this.
"Minsk-2" in the Kremlin's interpretation is the integration of gangs into the body of Ukraine.

 

[Jimih]

The cyberattacks were not really very high level (in case they are just DDoS attacks) but still could be part of the "plan".

Maybe Belarus like last month

 

[Shashank Nayak]

We've already discussed this here.
Zelensky does not have a constitutional majority in Parliament + Ukrainian society will not accept this.
"Minsk-2" in the Kremlin's interpretation is the integration of gangs into the body of Ukraine.

What's stopping Ukraine from developing long and medium range ballistic missiles.. ?
So, that next time there is an invasion threat from Russia, American and UK Chimps are forced to evacuate their Russian embassies as well, and tell all Americans to get the hell out of Russia as well..

 

[Jimih]

NLAW and M141 arrived in Donbass.

Ukraine needs help surviving Airstrikes, Standoff missile strikes and not just killing Tanks.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Ukraine needs help surviving Airstrikes, Standoff missile strikes and not just killing Tanks.

Yes.. Get some ballistic missile Tot program started. Keep it short range to begin with..

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Ukraine needs help surviving Airstrikes, Standoff missile strikes and not just killing Tanks.

Yeah, same as I thought. ATGMs wont win a war, US is simply prepping them for terror style attacks once russia takes over.

Air bombing will cripple movement, and these dumbo Generals have still not conscripted people.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Yes.. Get some ballistic missile Tot program started. Keep it short range to begin with..

Nah, times up. If invasion coming, whatever was to be done is done. Now west can only watch how it plays out.

 

[The Shrike]

Take with salt onlee, but makes sense if pootin is really planning to invade.

 

[Akim]

What's stopping Ukraine from developing long and medium range ballistic missiles.. ?
So, that next time there is an invasion threat from Russia, American and UK Chimps are forced to evacuate their Russian embassies as well, and tell all Americans to get the hell out of Russia as well..

Two factors: Lack of extra money and lack of political will.
Besides. The Ukrainian military-industrial complex has never been involved in the full cycle of missile development. So development takes time.
The simplest example. The missiles for the Tochka-U complex were serviced by Russia. Therefore, after 2014, everything had to be developed from scratch. It was done, but it's not easy.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Take with salt onlee, but makes sense if pootin is really planning to invade.

Kiev is slightly hard to take, marshy surroundings. But still, can be done given the sparse amount of Ukranian forces and expected air superiority of russia.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Kiev is slightly hard to take, marshy surroundings. But still, can be done given the sparse amount of Ukranian forces and expected air superiority of russia.

Though fox is just blindly guessing here, no "sources" exist for this. Pure speculations based on likely methods.

 

[Akim]

Ukraine needs help surviving Airstrikes, Standoff missile strikes and not just killing Tanks.

You can't escape the bombardment. It can only be minimized. But bombing alone never won a war.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

You can't escape the bombardment. It can only be minimized. But bombing alone never won a war.

It won japan.
Even if you discount the nukes, Japan was a lost cause. Industrial output was finished when the firebombing started, America could have starved Japan into submission. They just cared more about time, so they went with nukes.

Won Germany too, in WW2. Biggest fault for germany was industrial output, not winter or anything.

 

[Akim]

It won japan.
Even if you discount the nukes, Japan was a lost cause. Industrial output was finished when the firebombing started, America could have starved Japan into submission. They just cared more about time, so they went with nukes.

Won Germany too, in WW2. Biggest fault for germany was industrial output, not winter or anything.

We make an allowance for the fact that Russia will also lose a lot of aircraft. There were Ukrainian air defense systems in Georgia. They also contributed to the fact that the Russian military machine lost more than the entire Georgian aviation.
Besides. Don't forget about supplies. It's not one on one anymore.
Therefore, there is no need for reasoning like in a computer game.
Snowstorm 2022

 

[maximus777]

It won japan.
Even if you discount the nukes, Japan was a lost cause. Industrial output was finished when the firebombing started, America could have starved Japan into submission. They just cared more about time, so they went with nukes.

Won Germany too, in WW2. Biggest fault for germany was industrial output, not winter or anything.

Not to digress, but by 1945 Germany and Japan were both done and dusted. The nukes on Japan were just a stern message to Stalin and his Red army in case they had any ideas of advancing further west beyond Berlin. It clearly spelled out both the will and capability of the allies to send USSR to stone age in case they tired to paint the world red. They were literally the first shots of the next war, albeit a cold one. But why they chose to nuke only Japan and not Germany is another discussion.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

We make an allowance for the fact that Russia will also lose a lot of aircraft. There were Ukrainian air defense systems in Georgia. They also contributed to the fact that the Russian military machine lost more than the entire Georgian aviation.
Besides. Don't forget about supplies. It's not one on one anymore.
Therefore, there is no need for reasoning like in a computer game.
Snowstorm 2022

Buddy, I wouldnt count on any supplies when the war starts. Supplies will happen till before the war, but when the shots are fired cargo planes have no chance in contested airspace.

Yes, Russia will lose planes, but they will have complete air superiority. 60 vs 600 isnt really much of a contest.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

The cyberattacks were not really very high level (in case they are just DDoS attacks) but still could be part of the "plan".

That's the ideal maximalist scenario for Russia, with Russia linking up with Transinitria, and reducing ukraine to a rump state composed of part of western Ukraine.. But, Putin has got only one shot at it, because that's when a new Iron curtain will fall on Europe, but this time with a relatively stronger west ( On Russia's side, there is a friendly, and a much stronger China to provide some back up)..
Ukraine is a big country, and many things can go wrong on the way.. So, it seems Putin is not yet ready to throw everything he has got on achieving this goal.. which Even if succeeds would bring economic hardship and isolation. Also, the west too is afraid of such a scenario, and both parties seem to have compromised a little, and find ways to outsmart each other in the future..