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I don't see what he has achieved yet.
Tom Nash says Rus proved all the European allies are cowards. They wont help Ukraine when shit hits the fan. That is his insurance policy of Ukraine not joining Nato.
 

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What deal did Macron broker..or is he implanted by the west to buy time for the movement of equipments to Ukraine!
Hoping some high profile politicians and heads of state in a row visiting Ukraine next.
The whole problem is in Ukraine. Macron and Scholz would gladly give it to Putin, as Daladier and Chamberlain gave Czechoslovakia in 1938. But Ukraine refuses to be the subject of bargaining.

Tom Nash says Rus proved all the European allies are cowards. They wont help Ukraine when shit hits the fan. That is his insurance policy of Ukraine not joining Nato.
It was clear for a long time, but this is not an official document, as Putin demanded.
 

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Hope Ukraine, develops cruise and ballistic missiles in bulk, to hit Russian cities, and increase deterrence.. Just like Chinese Propaganda didn't work on India, seems like Russian tiktok war propaganda didn't work on Ukraine. That's why Putin kept Lavrov and Shoigu at a distance yesterday. He is dissatisfied with his Propagandus..

Moral of the story: Putin cannot expect to have a Soviet like sphere of influence for Russia, if Russia does not want to make the kind of sacrifices the Soviets made..
Nothing is free in this world.. Buildup ka Jalwa, can only give you some audience with western leaders..
How cute, it turns out that THE LIES of Western intelligence services, many Western politicians, Western media, the evacuation of embassies - is this all Russian military tik-tok propaganda? Haven't Russian politicians been saying all the time that there are no plans for an invasion? Even some Ukrainian politicians have said that there are no more Russian troops than usual and that they are constantly conducting exercises.

"The Russian government has denied any plans to invade Ukraine and repeatedly accused the U.S. of "hysteria" with these increasingly urgent warnings about one.

"After Russian troops finish drills and return to barracks, the West will declare 'diplomatic victory' by having 'secured' Russian 'de-escalation' -- a predictable scenario and cheap domestic political points," Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Saturday, according to the country's foreign ministry.
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Moral of the story: The West always lied, lies and will lie to achieve its goals.
 

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I think both Russia and the West walked away with something. Russia probably got a verbal assurance that Ukraine would not be included in NATO and West got assurance that Russia would not invade. Crisis defused for the time being but not sure how much these assurances are worth. It's a ticking time 🎆 for sure!
Who needs verbal assurances from the West, which lies all the time?
 

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Good Analysis

Thats lots of smoke there on that twitter.
State propaganda machinery can also be used to mislead the western analysts.
Projected timeline...well!! Russia just told the west that the attack will be at the time and place of Russias choosing and everything that they calculated is just war mongering.
Very basics of war that is.

Russia 1- West 0 on this war of words.
as I see it when it comes to the foreplay before the FUBAR.
 

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What deal did Macron broker..or is he implanted by the west to buy time for the movement of equipments to Ukraine!
Hoping some high profile politicians and heads of state in a row visiting Ukraine next.
Macron has elections soon, he was just PRing.
 

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Macron has elections soon, he was just PRing.
I could read that.. But he is the right person to be put to buy some time for the west.
Russia France had sort of good mil to mil relationship .
They are counting on the French team in Russia to either do the part of peace or buy some time.
 

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Marshall is alive again? :eek1: What a stupid society in Russia. We don't want to follow the same path as Russia, so Putin gets mad.
Oh yes, it's not in the Ukrainian media that they used to constantly repeat about the "Marshall Plan" for Ukraine. And it's not Ukraine's constant problem of where to borrow money. Come on, tell me how the most impoverished country in Europe is not about money, but about "European values."
 

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Thats lots of smoke there on that twitter.
State propaganda machinery can also be used to mislead the western analysts.
Projected timeline...well!! Russia just told the west that the attack will be at the time and place of Russias choosing and everything that they calculated is just war mongering.
Very basics of war that is.

Russia 1- West 0 on this war of words.
as I see it when it comes to the foreplay before the FUBAR.
They want to be Samurais to take on Russia

 

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Therefore, they rattled with pieces of iron 40 km from the border? "These are our problems, where to move on our territory," Lavrov said. Here is a mirror. It's not Putin's dog business that we decide. Ukraine is not a federal district of Russia!
Донбас - це Україна!
40 kilometers? And how long has Yelnya, about which the State Department spoke earlier, been located 40 kilometers from Ukraine?
 

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Oh yes, it's not in the Ukrainian media that they used to constantly repeat about the "Marshall Plan" for Ukraine. And it's not Ukraine's constant problem of where to borrow money. Come on, tell me how the most impoverished country in Europe is not about money, but about "European values."
Zhirinovsky suggested dropping a nuclear bomb into the Bosporus - is this the official position of the Kremlin?
 

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I could read that.. But he is the right person to be put to buy some time for the west.
Russia France had sort of good mil to mil relationship .
They are counting on the French team in Russia to either do the part of peace or buy some time.
When they lie and propagandize about an imminent invasion, they have no shortage of time.
In general, I think that all this imminent invasion hysteria was staged to once again demonize Russia in connection with the recent Russian demands for security guarantees: "Look, Russia cannot demand security, it is itself an aggressor!"
 

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Zhirinovsky suggested dropping a nuclear bomb into the Bosporus - is this the official position of the Kremlin?
Do not confuse the statements of one politician who is known for his extraordinary statements all over the world and a topic that is constantly hovering in the Ukrainian media.
 
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