Civil war in Ukraine

[warmachine541]

Untill, we have putin baba.... US have zero hopes more so with paedo at helm.... they have been thinking this for 8 decades almost...

remember, eleven & putin are one team at the moment... the moment, US goes on offensive..eleven will open his own front.... EU is inconsequential in bigger scheme of things....they will bear the overall damage of this whole fiasco....

They can gain so much if they cooperate with Russia and China. After Afghanistan fiasco, EU would have lost trust in US, now it's gonna get worse.

 

[blackjack]

With all due respect i think a Russian invasion might be beneficial to ukraine, no nazi worship and the population can get more educated and get the country further away from being African tier in wealth. If you compare Poland, Czech Republic or Slovakia to Ukraine anyone can understand why some grow and some don't. Ukraine has that its the Russians fault similar to African Americans saying its the white man's fault for keeping us down.

 

[Optimistic Nihilist]

Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said that Russia is ready to consider an alternative to NATO's refusal to accept Ukraine into the North Atlantic Alliance.

That is, a unilateral US commitment not to vote for the country's entry into the alliance.

Ryabkov believes that this would be an easier path for the United States if the state has "enough political will."

In order for a state to become a full member of the alliance, the consent of all its members is required at the stage of ratification of the accession protocol.

 

[Akim]

With all due respect i think a Russian invasion might be beneficial to ukraine, no nazi worship and the population can get more educated and get the country further away from being African tier in wealth. If you compare Poland, Czech Republic or Slovakia to Ukraine anyone can understand why some grow and some don't. Ukraine has that its the Russians fault similar to African Americans saying its the white man's fault for keeping us down.

Incorrectly . But he is right that open warfare will clear the mind of many people. Because many do not realize the war factor.

 

[Optimistic Nihilist]

The armies of Ukraine and Russia compared:

 

[Jimih]

Own mouni baba is also on same line..Another greta fan...

No, I think that India and Russia blocked a controversial Climate Change bill recently. Will have to search that news again.

Mouni baba is not so dumb.

 

[Jimih]

remember XI is eleven only in Roman numerals, NOT Chinese. He is NOT Roman. He is NOT eleven. He is something else.

Find a person with a latin name.

He is a 'She'

Xi Jinping is prounounced 'She Jinping'

 

[Jimih]

remember, eleven & putin are one team at the moment....

Also add the Iranians.

 

[Optimistic Nihilist]

The People's Militia of the DPR said that The Armed Forces of Ukraine are preparing a series of terrorist attacks in Gorlovka, Yasinovataya, Donetsk and Dokuchaevsk.

Apparently, their intelligence has picked up this information somehow.

Transformer substations, water and gas pipelines, and power lines will be hit. Planned in the Ukrainian headquarters and attacks on the chemical industry.

The saboteurs will act under the guise of military DNI and Russia. All provocations will be filmed so that the Ukrainian side can provide “evidence” of Russian aggression” to international organizations.

 

[doreamon]

continuance of this cold war legacy is ridiculous . Communist russia is dead . no more communist vs capitalist social order . Russia dnt want its former parts to join EU/NATO . why cnt Russia itself just join EU and end this shit . Under a common market its GDP ll double in a a short period of time . Only china is gaining with all these diversions .

 

[Optimistic Nihilist]

continuance of this cold war legacy is ridiculous . Communist russia is dead . no more communist vs capitalist social order . Russia dnt want its former parts to join EU/NATO . why cnt Russia itself just join EU and end this shit . Under a common market its GDP ll double in a a short period of time . Only china is gaining with all these diversions .

EU will never let them in, because America will never give the go-ahead.

It will make no sense for Russia to be in NATO, because the entire purpose of NATO was to put down the Soviet Union. They still see Russia as a continuation of the Soviet Union and that's the reason for the shitshow today. NATO is nothing but a relic of the Cold War, it should have been dismantled right when the Soviet Union collapsed, its purpose was already finished.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Whose side are we gonna choose ?

 

[Optimistic Nihilist]

Whose side are we gonna choose ?

Not our fight, no good choices either way. No point in giving overt support to either side.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Not our fight, no good choices either way. No point in giving overt support to either side.

The thing with being a fence-sitter is, no one is gonna side with us when we will be in trouble if we are not already (with China).

 

[doreamon]

EU will never let them in, because America will never give the go-ahead.

It will make no sense for Russia to be in NATO, because the entire purpose of NATO was to put down the Soviet Union. They still see Russia as a continuation of the Soviet Union and that's the reason for the shitshow today. NATO is nothing but a relic of the Cold War, it should have been dismantled right when the Soviet Union collapsed, its purpose was already finished.

NATO cld be directed at protecting taiwan or war against terrorism etc . I knw it sounds absurd But why USA wont allow russia to join EU .. Is it because its not in interest of defence industries .. or is it because it ll be death sentence to influence of USA in EU region .

 

[Optimistic Nihilist]

The thing with being a fence-sitter is, no one is gonna side with us when we will be in trouble if we are not already (with China).

If the threat from China is real and big enough, USA is going to form a coalition with anyone it can muster up in opposition. That's the way it has always worked. Look at every one of their major wars, they have always bottled up some kind of "coalition of the willing" for a war, and in fact the CIA has orchestrated and spent billions of dollars to influence public opinion in favor of the wars in their ally countries.

The stakes for a conflict with China are drastically higher than this. Ukraine is insignificant compared to that. The USA has never cared about Ukraine really. It has always been sanctions and empty threats. Because the USA itself knows it has no obligation to protect or defend Ukraine.

The American public, at large is much more concerned with China than about Ukraine. A conflict with Ukraine won't raise near as much enthusiasm back home in America as with China.

So, I don't believe a neutral position will necessarily hurt us in a major way. Especially considering the fact that we have always treaded the centre ground, this won't be something new. In fact, overtly taking a side for the first time may actually have worse consequences down the road.

 

[Jimih]

why USA wont allow russia to join EU .. Is it because its not in interest of defence industries .. or is it because it ll be death sentence to influence of USA in EU region .

Both I guess.

 

[Optimistic Nihilist]

NATO cld be directed at protecting taiwan or war against terrorism etc . I knw it sounds absurd But why USA wont allow russia to join EU .. Is it because its not in interest of defence industries .. or is it because it ll be death sentence to influence of USA in EU region .

NATO is primarily about Europe, taking on Taiwan's security is too inexplicable a task that they will ever entertain. In any case, 95% of the heavy lifting in NATO is done by USA, the European countries pretty much outsource their national security to America and take a free ride.

The "War on Terror" has been a sham and has been a failure on every front, I don't see what will be gained by revitalizing it.

And the reason the USA won't ever allow EU to get close with Russia is precisely because it is not in the interests of the MICMATT complex. Why do you think the US deliberately does the heavy lifting in NATO and has worked very hard against a separate European defense capability: they want these European nations depending on them and buying their weapons. So, they have to invent this mythical bogeyman of "Dangerous Russia".

US ensured European helplessness. Their dependence was to be complete. Same with Japan, same with Korea. In fact, in Korea, in the case of any hostility it is US that takes over command. I do not know if the murky negotiations between US and Korea on the cost of stationing ended up removing that provision.

In fact, Korea tried a number of times to regulate relationship with North, just to be scuttled by US. Japan had many initiatives to cut a peace deal with Russia, always scuttled by US. Germany had many initiatives in the works to strengthen relationship with Russia and China — no way, MICMATT loses out on the profits!

So, having kept allies nicely dependent — now America finds that Russia and China are succeeding in getting the trust of other countries, and advancing technologically. Their defense capabilities to some extent are eclipsing theirs.

The knee jerk reaction — lazy allies, need to spend more for THEIR defense! But what they are really saying — The Europeans have to pick up fights with AMERICA'S adversaries! Basically, all of Europe — prop up US empire as if their own life depended in it.

But does it? It is assuming that Russia has any interest in acquiring more territory. Or controlling other countries' internal politics. Russia has a long history of being invaded from Europe with explicit goal to exterminate their population. Not the other way around.

The Cold War ended, the post WWII arrangement in Europe ended — Warsaw Pact was dissolved. But NATO pact remained with one primary goal — Drang Nacht Russia.

It now really all depends in political power of US fifth column in Europe. One should not underestimate its power. In Germany, these are Greens and Liberal Democrats. In alliance with SDP, they could bring plenty of trouble to Germany. In Austria, Greens. In France, a brand new, trash talking extreme right wing candidate is stepping in — a fake, to split conservative votes and keep Macron in power.

US and France are having a fake disagreement. In fact, Macron has been given a role in building a Mediterranean alliance, and forcing Germany to be Russia focused.

Who knows where this is leading.

Here is an obvious set of facts. Russia does not have any designs to invade, interfere politically or culturally upon the European continent. Russia is interested in trade and investments, treating Europe as adults that know what is in their interest, and what is not. Europe also knows that US is not likely to coerce Russia into giving up their interests.

Having taken on both Russia and China — as well as indirectly the whole SCO, US is not likely to show any success. To allies, that would signal economic openness to Russia and China.

The latest US failure is in the energy fiasco. From the time of Bill Clinton and then Hillary Clinton tenure as Secretary of the State — US urged Europe to break up Russian investments in energy. Both pipeline and gas/oil.

Result was EU Third Energy Package, forcing countries to fund their section of pipeline and buy on spot market. Now, it backfired. Why? Europe is no more the prime energy market. China and Asia are. Biden says — it is Russia’s fault. Indeed! How dare Russia ask for MARKET price!!

 

[another_armchair]

The Syrian conflict was all about getting an alternate gas supply route into Europe from the Middle East and save Europe from Russian blackmail every winter.

Correct me if I messed up the main plot.

 

[Optimistic Nihilist]

Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia are waiting for the approval of their requests to the State Department to start supplying American-made weapons to Ukraine. These countries are ready to supply Kiev with anti-tank missile systems and air defense systems.

-Politico