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In March 2017, the Egyptian Air Force launched a number of airstrikes in North Sinai's cities of El Arish, Rafah, and Sheikh Zuweid, as part of the operations conducted by the Egyptian Armed Forces against militants. Most of the strikes, which targeted stationing points and moving vehicles, were carried out by Wing Loong UCAVs leaving 18 militants killed.[9][10][11]

Ethiopia
There is contradictory reporting whether Chinese-made Chengdu Pterodactyl I drones operated by United Arab Emirates have supported the advance of the Ethiopian army and its allies into Tigray.[12][13]

Libya
On 2019, Libyan National Army (LNA) forces, loyal to General Khalifa Haftar used extensively Chinese-made Wing Loong I and II drones supplied by the United Arab Emirates[14] in the Civil War conflict against the Government of National Accord (GNA), The GNA also deployed Turkish drones in its war after receiving 12 Bayraktar TB2s in two batches between May and July 2019, at least half of them have been destroyed during LNA airstrikes using Wing Loong IIs, the second batch delivered in July was to replace the losses of the first.[14][15]

On August 3, 2019, Libyan GNA forces announced the shoot down of a Libyan National Army (LNA) Wing Loong drone over Misrata.[16][17][18]

On 6 August, 2019 A GNA Ilyushin Il-76TD cargo plane is destroyed in the ground on Misrata Airport by a LNA Wing Long drone.[19][20]

On 17 October 2019, a LNA Wing Loong II combat drone is shot down in Misrata by a surface-air missile.[21]

On 27 January 2020, a LNA Wing Loong II combat drone is shot down near Misrata.[22]

On 13 May 2020, a LNA Wing Loong was shot down and recorded by GNA forces.[23]

On 18 May 2020, a LNA Wing Loong was shot down between Zuwara and Aljmail, allegedly by fire from a Italian frigate.[24]

On 24 May 2020, a LNA Wing Loong II combat drone is shot down by friendly fire from LNA Pantsir air defense system over Libya.[25][26]

On 6 June 2020, a LNA Wing Loong was shot down near Sirte by GNA forces.[27]

On 22 October 2020, the remains of a LNA Wing Loong was found in Ash-Shwayrif, Libya.[28]

On 2 August 2021, another LNA Wing Loong wreck was recorded crashed on southwest Bani Walid, Misratah.[29]

Yemen
On 26 December 2016 a Wing Loong UCAV operated by the United Arab Emirates was shot down by Houthi forces in Yemen.[30][31]

In April 2018 they were used in Yemen by the Saudi led Operation Decisive Storm in successfully killing Saleh Ali al-Sammad, a senior Houthi leader by Wing Loong UCAV.[32]

On 19 April 2019, Houthi rebels published a video of the downing and crash site of a United Arab Emirates CAIG Wing Loong acting for Saudi-led intervention over Saada district. It was probably shot down with a R-73 or R-27T missile.[33][34][35]

On 1 December 2019, Houthi forces reported shooting down a Saudi Arabian Wing Loong drone over Yemen,[36] showing the wreckage of the drone later.[37] Another Wing Loong was reported shot down ten days later.[38] Houthi media published pictures of the drone wreckage.[39][40]

On 20 May 2021, Houthi fighters shot down another a Saudi Arabian Wing Loong I drone in Najran region.[41] Displaying photos and a video of the crash site.[42]

On 13 September 2021, Houthi media announced the downing of a Saudi Coalition Wing Loong drone in Kataf area, Saada region, displaying footage of the shootdown.[43]

In January 2021, Houthi forces shot down two UAE Operated Wing Loong drones in Shabwa province.[44][45]

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Taller than mountain seldom trusted ally Randistan developed cold feet too but China arm twisted them into joint development of more Wing Loongs.
 
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india didnt created anything in hundreds year...coz our invaders make us busy to survive from 800 AD. but even we dont hv funding, we created in 100-200 years:-
1:- wireless communication - Jagdish chandra bose. (1895).
2:- raman effect - CV raman (1930)
3:- fiber optics - narinder singh kapani (1960).
4:- usb drive - ajay bhatt.
5:- pentium chip - vinod dham.
6:- hotmail/ email - sabeer bhatia.
first nd second got nobel price nd born nd died in india...others r born indians, but after live their life in other countries. so ur comment that "indian didnt invention anything" is stupid. i can give many example of ancient time indian invention also. now tell me in 100-200 year what chinese invention they make "unique". 😂😜
1. CCP invented entrapment through debt strategy called BRI - 11 Chimping the Pooh
2. Great Frog Jump Killing method -Mr. Mao
3. SPYING through Telecom Equipment - Hawahawai & ZTE
4. WUHAN Virus - CCP politburo
5. Masks made of used undergarments for Pakistanis.
6. Fake Wuhan Virus diagnosis kit.
7. Fake Wuhan Virus Vaccines
8. 2 Cent Army.
9. Cheap Copying and Stealing Practices - From needle to cities.
10. Citizen Censorship Techniques
11. Re-education Camps.
12. Salami Slicing technique.
13. Fake data publication technique.
There are 1000s of unique inventions undertaken by CCP and none are for the betterment of the mankind.
 

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Correction . J-10 isn't derived from the Lavi. IT IS THE LAVI. The Israelis reportedly shipped a prototype in CKD or SKD form to the Chinese who assembled it & continuously upgraded it. That they learnt zilch from it is evident in the subsequent designs of the FAs they've come up with viz J-15 or the J-16 etc .

If the J-11 are the Su-27 built by China , the J-16 a rip off of the Su-30 MKK & the J-15 a copy of the Su-34 which like the latter is a Disaster with capital D , why aren't we seeing a similar design of the J-10 itself inspired by the F-16, if the Chinese claim it to be indigenous ? That's the only FA whose design philosophy is different & stands apart as compared to the rest of their FA fleet.


Didn't want to crash their castle with one swift blow.

Just as the WS-9 was a carbon copy of the Rolls Royce Spey.. Chinis gave a twist to it and called it an original after buying all rights to the RR engine.
 

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In March 2017, the Egyptian Air Force launched a number of airstrikes in North Sinai's cities of El Arish, Rafah, and Sheikh Zuweid, as part of the operations conducted by the Egyptian Armed Forces against militants. Most of the strikes, which targeted stationing points and moving vehicles, were carried out by Wing Loong UCAVs leaving 18 militants killed.[9][10][11]

Ethiopia
There is contradictory reporting whether Chinese-made Chengdu Pterodactyl I drones operated by United Arab Emirates have supported the advance of the Ethiopian army and its allies into Tigray.[12][13]

Libya
On 2019, Libyan National Army (LNA) forces, loyal to General Khalifa Haftar used extensively Chinese-made Wing Loong I and II drones supplied by the United Arab Emirates[14] in the Civil War conflict against the Government of National Accord (GNA), The GNA also deployed Turkish drones in its war after receiving 12 Bayraktar TB2s in two batches between May and July 2019, at least half of them have been destroyed during LNA airstrikes using Wing Loong IIs, the second batch delivered in July was to replace the losses of the first.[14][15]

On August 3, 2019, Libyan GNA forces announced the shoot down of a Libyan National Army (LNA) Wing Loong drone over Misrata.[16][17][18]

On 6 August, 2019 A GNA Ilyushin Il-76TD cargo plane is destroyed in the ground on Misrata Airport by a LNA Wing Long drone.[19][20]

On 17 October 2019, a LNA Wing Loong II combat drone is shot down in Misrata by a surface-air missile.[21]

On 27 January 2020, a LNA Wing Loong II combat drone is shot down near Misrata.[22]

On 13 May 2020, a LNA Wing Loong was shot down and recorded by GNA forces.[23]

On 18 May 2020, a LNA Wing Loong was shot down between Zuwara and Aljmail, allegedly by fire from a Italian frigate.[24]

On 24 May 2020, a LNA Wing Loong II combat drone is shot down by friendly fire from LNA Pantsir air defense system over Libya.[25][26]

On 6 June 2020, a LNA Wing Loong was shot down near Sirte by GNA forces.[27]

On 22 October 2020, the remains of a LNA Wing Loong was found in Ash-Shwayrif, Libya.[28]

On 2 August 2021, another LNA Wing Loong wreck was recorded crashed on southwest Bani Walid, Misratah.[29]

Yemen
On 26 December 2016 a Wing Loong UCAV operated by the United Arab Emirates was shot down by Houthi forces in Yemen.[30][31]

In April 2018 they were used in Yemen by the Saudi led Operation Decisive Storm in successfully killing Saleh Ali al-Sammad, a senior Houthi leader by Wing Loong UCAV.[32]

On 19 April 2019, Houthi rebels published a video of the downing and crash site of a United Arab Emirates CAIG Wing Loong acting for Saudi-led intervention over Saada district. It was probably shot down with a R-73 or R-27T missile.[33][34][35]

On 1 December 2019, Houthi forces reported shooting down a Saudi Arabian Wing Loong drone over Yemen,[36] showing the wreckage of the drone later.[37] Another Wing Loong was reported shot down ten days later.[38] Houthi media published pictures of the drone wreckage.[39][40]

On 20 May 2021, Houthi fighters shot down another a Saudi Arabian Wing Loong I drone in Najran region.[41] Displaying photos and a video of the crash site.[42]

On 13 September 2021, Houthi media announced the downing of a Saudi Coalition Wing Loong drone in Kataf area, Saada region, displaying footage of the shootdown.[43]

In January 2021, Houthi forces shot down two UAE Operated Wing Loong drones in Shabwa province.[44][45]

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Taller than mountain seldom trusted ally Randistan developed cold feet too but China arm twisted them into joint development of more Wing Loongs.
What? It can't be true.. Highly efficient and successful Chink Junks can't fall like flies.

Strange! Afterall, Chinks made ws10 engine, ARJ21, C919, bullet trains and shiiet..
 

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Unpaid bad Publicity for China

Chinese for the last 15 years have paid $10 billion a year to get good publicity and image. Most of the big news organizations were victims of it. They all needed the money which the Chinese were handing over if they wrote nice things about China. They did for the last decade or so.

In last six months everything which the Chinese worked for publicity scale came crashing down. All we hear today are bad state of Chinese economy and how things are bad there. Although it is an exaggerated version but somethings are true. My guess, China is not about to die, but projected so for these two reasons:

1. Chinese planned invasion of Taiwan which never happened

2. China openly siding with Russia on Ukraine war.

These are inter-related. The Russians never needed Chinese help. They only needed their political and diplomatic support. For America, anybody providing any support to Russia becomes America’s enemy. Hence that is what has happened.

All that artificial positive feedback about China has died. All that huge sums of money spent for positive image is gone down the drain.

China may never recover from this shock.
 

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1. CCP invented entrapment through debt strategy called BRI - 11 Chimping the Pooh
2. Great Frog Jump Killing method -Mr. Mao
3. SPYING through Telecom Equipment - Hawahawai & ZTE
4. WUHAN Virus - CCP politburo
5. Masks made of used undergarments for Pakistanis.
6. Fake Wuhan Virus diagnosis kit.
7. Fake Wuhan Virus Vaccines
8. 2 Cent Army.
9. Cheap Copying and Stealing Practices - From needle to cities.
10. Citizen Censorship Techniques
11. Re-education Camps.
12. Salami Slicing technique.
13. Fake data publication technique.
There are 1000s of unique inventions undertaken by CCP and none are for the betterment of the mankind.
these chinese didnt know indian discovered numberic system (0,1,2,3,4.....) nd many mathmatic formulas etc, like geometry, arthmetic, algebra etc. without numberic system how can they read nd apply physics nd math?? or they can use roman number😜. can they make anything scientific without numerical numbers?? i think south korea, japan, china nd USA should most thankful to indians, coz we indians discover plastic surgery😂. @SexyChineseLady ur beautiful girls nd boys should always thankful to indians, coz we invented plastic surgery. just google it😜🤑
 

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these chinese didnt know indian discovered numberic system (0,1,2,3,4.....) nd many mathmatic formulas etc, like geometry, arthmetic, algebra etc. without numberic system how can they read nd apply physics nd math?? or they can use roman number😜. can they make anything scientific without numerical numbers?? i think south korea, japan, china nd USA should most thankful to indians, coz we indians discover plastic surgery😂. @SexyChineseLady ur beautiful girls nd boys should always thankful to indians, coz we invented plastic surgery. just google it😜🤑
You need to understand that Chinks are getting paid to defend CCP and counter all facts and figures with fake and botched up data. Moreover, Chink posters are under huge pressure these days. My reliable sources informed me that CCP has reduced their per post payout by 80%. Internet prices are hiked by 20%. So sexy lady has to post more to earn the money that she was earning 6 months back. She can't refuse the overload otherwise she will be admitted into a CCP re-education center. Really tough time.
 

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Indian posters wouldn't give a scat if the resident Chinese posters didn't take a shit on India & Indians often while bragging about their mighty land. They subtly mock us and expect platitudes in return.

Desi posters are compelled then to call out BS... just like Piyush did a couple of days back - 'You sell at less than input cost and expect to remain profitable.. who are you shitting? ' .. the man basically called out the entire Chini ploy in public that China is hollowing itself out from within with its global emir ambitions.
 

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Indian posters wouldn't give a scat if the resident Chinese posters didn't take a shit on India & Indians often while bragging about their mighty land. They subtly mock us and expect platitudes in return.

Desi posters are compelled then to call out BS... just like Piyush did a couple of days back - 'You sell at less than input cost and expect to remain profitable.. who are you shitting? ' .. the man basically called out the entire Chini ploy in public that China is hollowing itself out from within with its global emir ambitions.
Chinese CCP has high probability of going bust and their historic trend towards realignments internally also makes this likely scenario but its also in our interest that they counteract the west a bit longer until we become manufacturing capable in few significant areas. With China going bust soon, west will double down anti Hindu pograms and we are not short of Pappus and Bitches like Didi and so on.....so CCP drilling their hole at snail's pace is best scenario for us. CCP did develop their country but XI got the greedy itch just like the West post cold war....somethings never change
 

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Why should we play catch up when we can still detect their super-duper stealth aircraft with a cold war legacy asset like the Su-30 MKI.
It was flying with luneberg lenses
China will never conduct CAP wrt Indian border with its full stealth capabilities bcoz if detected due to prior intelligence or due some conditions as we all know no aircraft in present world exists that can't be detected at all or other probable reasons if it gets detected then the signature would be out
So they will ensure true signature remains hidden until conflict arises
Agar manna hai to mano nahi toh chodo
 

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Is that why India has the Asian record for 4x400m?
Sorry, no interest to follow this level of game, even i was good on 100m &200m during school time.

If we are talking about on national level, can you predict Indian ranking in coming Paris 2024? 20th - 30th?
 

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1) You do not have a working engine and are hoping for the US to give you the F-414

2) You didn't learn anything from Russia and AL-31 project

3)You people are making a BIG deal about this hoped for gift from the US as your great white hope in engines.

You are most certainly unlike China!

See this? It's an old J-10AS airframe. But WS-10 production is so efficient that the engine doesn't just equip the newest J-20s, J-16s, J-11BGs and J-10Cs but also it now re-equipting older aircraft!!!
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Can your economy afford this? I do not see an indigenous Indian engine on even one aircraft for testing!

Look, can you afford to put an engine like the WS-21 on a stealth fighter project like the J-35?
It‘s all actually reflect the size of Indian economy, and the projects it can support.

During 1998-2000, China was 1.5-3T USD (India's current 3-5T GDP size), it's pretty like the currenct India:

1. Engine project, the only WP13 was failed, now there are 15+ parallel engine projects.
2. Space launches, around 2-6 times, now there are 60 launches per yr.
3. Passenger vechicle platform, zero or 0.5, the VW MQB platform would sell 5m cars world wide, but the local car maker counldn't even make one. Now, EV platforms from Geely, BYD, Xpeng, Saic are told tech to VW, Toyota, Renault ... Since the local sales from 2 to 30 millions ...

All those kind of "grand projects" need economy scale to support, India is 1/6 of China's size, so there is what they are doing and they can do. No that bad, not preminent.
 

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Not just about nourishing, also about technologies, we are at next level. Hope u guys gain more than one gold medal in next Olympics, then will be higher position than Mongolia maybe.

Su Bingtian (Chinese: 苏炳添; pinyin: Sū Bǐngtiān; born 29 August 1989) is a professional Chinese track and field athlete specializing in the 100 metres event. As of 2022, he is the only sprinter of non-African descent to run the 100 m with sub-9.90 and sub-9.85, and the first ever Asian-born sprinter to break the 10-second barrier.

He is around 1.72m, the technologies helped a lot. And he is also a professor in university and have R&D tasks in daily work.

This is his paper.

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The question as always is like the Russians, Chinese are doping as well. It is just a matter of time before getting caught and China getting kicked out of world athletics championships. On the other hand, I see that China is overestimating its technological and industrial capabilities. Lol.
 

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It‘s all actually reflect the size of Indian economy, and the projects it can support.

During 1998-2000, China was 1.5-3T USD (India's current 3-5T GDP size), it's pretty like the currenct India:

1. Engine project, the only WP13 was failed, now there are 15+ parallel engine projects.
2. Space launches, around 2-6 times, now there are 60 launches per yr.
3. Passenger vechicle platform, zero or 0.5, the VW MQB platform would sell 5m cars world wide, but the local car maker counldn't even make one. Now, EV platforms from Geely, BYD, Xpeng, Saic are told tech to VW, Toyota, Renault ... Since the local sales from 2 to 30 millions ...

All those kind of "grand projects" need economy scale to support, India is 1/6 of China's size, so there is what they are doing and they can do. No that bad, not preminent.
I think the only thing that has gone up in China is a lot of fake achievements, that is rigged numbers. If China had truly innovated, it wouldn’t be in the dire economic straits it is now. Europeans are literally playing with fire I.e. EV fire. I am pretty sure Chinese EV companies will be kicked out of European markets due to ties with CCP and poor safety record. OTOH, Europeans are becoming third world with poverty increasing every day due to energy inflation. Maybe they will have no choice but to buy cheap Chinese EVs and get roasted.
 

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Sorry, no interest to follow this level of game, even i was good on 100m &200m during school time.

If we are talking about on national level, can you predict Indian ranking in coming Paris 2024? 20th - 30th?
If the white guys and Chinese don’t dope, india and other underdogs has a good chance of hitting the podium. But then again Americans consider doping experts like Lance Armstrong their national heroes. And Chinese of course break the bones of their children literally until they can outcompete the whiteys. All childish and irrelevant for humanity. Olympics is a giant waste of time, money, and resources- and everyone knows how every city that hosts the vanity project called Olympics gets into a ton of debt.
 

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I think the only thing that has gone up in China is a lot of fake achievements, that is rigged numbers. If China had truly innovated, it wouldn’t be in the dire economic straits it is now. Europeans are literally playing with fire I.e. EV fire. I am pretty sure Chinese EV companies will be kicked out of European markets due to ties with CCP and poor safety record. OTOH, Europeans are becoming third world with poverty increasing every day due to energy inflation. Maybe they will have no choice but to buy cheap Chinese EVs and get roasted.
Q: If China's achievements were fake, then whose would be real?
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It‘s all actually reflect the size of Indian economy, and the projects it can support.

During 1998-2000, China was 1.5-3T USD (India's current 3-5T GDP size), it's pretty like the currenct India:

1. Engine project, the only WP13 was failed, now there are 15+ parallel engine projects.
2. Space launches, around 2-6 times, now there are 60 launches per yr.
3. Passenger vechicle platform, zero or 0.5, the VW MQB platform would sell 5m cars world wide, but the local car maker counldn't even make one. Now, EV platforms from Geely, BYD, Xpeng, Saic are told tech to VW, Toyota, Renault ... Since the local sales from 2 to 30 millions ...

All those kind of "grand projects" need economy scale to support, India is 1/6 of China's size, so there is what they are doing and they can do. No that bad, not preminent.
I think you mean to say WP14. WP13 is the engine for thousands of J-7s and J-8s. It was highly successful.

WP14 project was actually completed and was probably the most advanced turbojet ever made. But it came during a wave of turbofan projects and the J-7 and J-8 were giving way to the J-10. It was redundant and abandoned. You can still order a WP14 from a Chinese export site! (Look in my engine thread :) )

Yes, India's lack of projects is directly related to its economy.

Looking back at this thread, Indians had been saying China will collapse, China's economy is fake, etc.

But the amount of engine projects being put into place and then mass produced indicates China has a real economy that has grown many times the size of India. More than just five times.

It is WS-9, WS-10, WS-11, WS-12, WS-13, WS-15, WS-17, WS-18, WS-19, WS-20, WS-21, CJ-1000, CJ-2000, CJ-500 and AEF1300 versus just the Kaveri! Much bigger than 5 to 1 ratio :)

Some things in China's regular economy like cars, air conditioners, movie box offices, electricity consumption, etc. have much bigger ratios as well.

The real industrial complex put in place to build thousands of precision parts is not something most nations can afford. Not only is the WS-10 mass produced and powering the J-10C, J-20, J-16, J-11B and new versions of J-15s but the WS-13E (or WS-21) and WS-15 are now reaching production. This is where the economy dictates what a nation can have.

When the CJ1000 begin powering the C919 it will make turbofan engines a normal revenue generator for AECC. Selling civilian turbofans is what allowed companies like GE, SAFRAN, RR and P&W separate themselves from the Russian companies when both were roughly equal in developing turbojets during the 1950s and 60s.
 

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