Army camp in Uri under attack, several personnel killed

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Jammu and Kashmir: Bullet vs Ballot in Poll Season

Vishnu Som should stop doing multi panel discussion if he is not prepared or can anticipate what Pakistani chor will say. I heard him saying fair enough following Pakistani lies on Pakistani ammunition found from these Pakistani terrorists. His stupidity spiked exponentially when he was subduing Subramanian Swamy, said 'hey Pakistan is a nuclear state be afraid, they will use nuclear weapons.

If Vishnu Som is reading this, you a disappointment Sir, better stick with reporting only not conducting these multi panel/multi national discussions.
 

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Heard that five of the terrorists were gunned down by Special forces in a close quarter battle.
 
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If I have chance to talk with the dead soldier-
Hey soldier dude, thanks for protecting me and my family.
I am not like the offspring of Bear or Dragon.
So, don't expect more gratitude from me. I am a selfish idiot and watch TV all day.
And I like to bash Modi for not appearing on TV set doing some lungi dance for the nation.
Note that I am not alone. I have friends like me all over the nation.
 

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This looks like a special forces operation rather than a terrorist attack. This needs to be replied in kind.
 

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during election period it was expected .why our soldiers were not prepared Question to be raised???
 

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during election period it was expected .why our soldiers were not prepared Question to be raised???
Few defence experts had an opinion that vigil was lowered on the LOC due to drop in terror activities in the valley. Lethargy has set in.
 

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Pro-establishment Pakistanis on their TV have repeatedly said that Pakistan has been spurned by Modi and for the last 10 odd years they have been keeping quiet re:Kashmir, not anymore.


Also add to it a few more noteworthy news items :
1. Afghan withdrawl
2. Infilitration in winters
3. ZeZ ops
4. Strategic deals with US and Russia
5. Cancellation of Afghan-India defence deal

My thinking:
Pakistan is going to turn up the taps in Kashmir to pressurise India on Astan.
Also cut deals with jihadis and force them to leave Pak soil and goto Astan and/or Kashmir. PA guys have repeatedly said that they don't want any muslim blood on their hands.
strategic deal of whom pak with usa/russia or india with america/russia ????

they where quiet for 10 years on kashmir ?????

Mushu-manmohan had some deal on kashmir around that time mushy was made power less by same nawaz leauge through advocates revolution against mushy.mushy silently left presedientship .when he gone PA said it was sole mush idea and not supported androsed by PA...


this lead to distrution on talks and then PA never allowed new gov lead by zrdri to have some room..........

second u talk about UPA gov doing better on security front particulary related to J&K.........

UPA gov had fortune that americans pressurized pk to divert their men to pakistan western borders durning afganistan operations.. this lead to UPA to fenze border with pakistan... and much less cover support for terrorist to cross borders and IA shooting terrorist ...

also with americans in afganistan terrorist where oriented towards fighting with americans rather then indians...


Now with americans gone situation would change drastically ........


And if bjp or bjp comes to power in J&K expect more attacks
 
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Common,didn't mean disrespect soldiers but

Majority soldiers joined&work for salary,aka tax payers hard earned money.
2.So their prima facie duty is save tax payer,civilians.
3.Anyway soldiers&police know before joining force, their life is in risk.
Common,didn't mean disrespect soldiers but

You are an idiot.
 

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Since you have quoted me.

Oh ...but BJP is bogged down by trolling TMC, AAP, Congress-i and third front joining hand against them on black money and that loud mouth BJP MP of utmost importance for sake of secularism. What BJP can do ?

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then they should depute more powers to different persons to carry out reponse and should not take burden of taking all on oneself (modi+shah)..

But irony is i think rest arent capable on taking political oppenets
 

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I trust these guys know exactly what they are doing and watching that footage shows it. They are operating in an impressive fashion.
Well they are trying to flush out hidden terrorists from the bunkers, using smoke grenade, they assume that once they throw these, smoke will make it unbearable and they will come out (assuming they are not using the gas mask). Radar i posted shows of the area has human or not, if they are moving or not. Bigger version of this radar, work from 65 feets from the wall or any structure.

Obviously with gas mask terrorist will do more damage. Already for killing 3 terrorists, 7 of our guys have died.
 

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Common,didn't mean disrespect soldiers but

Majority soldiers joined&work for salary,aka tax payers hard earned money.
2.So their prima facie duty is save tax payer,civilians.
3.Anyway soldiers&police know before joining force, their life is in risk.
You cannot value a persons life with money, they have families too thats why they have to earn.
 

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Common,didn't mean disrespect soldiers but

Majority soldiers joined&work for salary,aka tax payers hard earned money.
2.So their prima facie duty is save tax payer,civilians.
3.Anyway soldiers&police know before joining force, their life is in risk.
Sorry to read such a dry interpretation of a soldier's code. Going by this way of thought, what is the difference between a soldier and a bodyguard?
Everybody works for a living, so does a soldier. But wait, a soldier dies as well, many times in line of fire.
What do we make of that? That too is for some payment is it?
No that is his sacrifice and code. That is something we can never weigh in coins.
That a soldier performs his duty everyday knowing very well the risk of death looming large on him thousand time more than a civilian; is a feat that we need not spoil with our money theories.
Please refrain.

Regards,
Virendra
 

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Is media and politican vehicles checked in j&k?

Wht if antinationals element intrude in these fields for smuggleing weapons?
 

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I take everything that politicians say with a pinch of salt. The reference was provided when you asked for links for BJP's poll claims.

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That's actually BS. Go ask any Army commander there. Will he tolerate his jawan being killed in Pakistani fire and not kill theirs in return ?
Do you think the Dogras, Marathas, Punjabis, Sikhs, Jaats, Rajpus, Garwahlis, Gorkhas, Kumaonis etc. are pussies ? They will take the death of their brother soldiers lying down ?


Indian security forces there are far better equipped and resources than Pakistani soldiers across LoC. For the last many years we have been given them a dispropotionate response for every firing incident.

This time Indian Govt decided to publicise it. Many sr officers were against publicising our response as it could give impetus to infiltration.

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Security policies are not drafted in isolation. They are drafted taking everyone on board.
Nobody will tolerate their own buddies being killed, let alone a soldier.

It is immaterial as to what community or Regt one belongs to. They are all same in valour and sacrifice and there are no community or Regt braver than the other.

This must is true that with the change in Govt, there is a change in attitude and the morale is higher and decision making is without holding any punches. That is a great departure from the earlier days, when the Pak soldiers ambushed our patrols or beheaded them and the Def Min passed such issues as 'terrorists in Pak Army uniform'. For the last few years we have not really given any disproportionate reply. It has always been measured so as to not escalate. It is most surprising that of late, the response has been heavy and costly for the Pakistanis. It is too early to assess which of the response is better for Indian policy. It is only the troops who feel that the current mode appeals to their sensitivity at being at the receiving end and with meagre and controlled retaliation. The peaceniks and second channel folks are not too happy with the current mode of addressing the issue.

If 'Many sr officers were against publicising our response as it could give impetus to infiltration', then it would not be because of it giving impetus to infiltration, but because of the defensive mindset they were ingrained in because of the moribund and supine policy in vogue.

I will hasten to add that an correct retaliation policy that has no fetters on the military, is good, but then India should be ready to take it on if it escalate. That is the million dollar question, given the 10 years of Rip Van Winkle attitude that made the military a cow past its prime and ready to be put to pasture.

Security policies are taken by consulting the three Chiefs, the Intelligence agencies, and the Cabinet Committee for Security.







The Army and BSF retaliation has been heavy in TNT payload and volume, way more that ever before. There is no doubt about that and that can be corroborated from the ground level.
 

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That is the thing,our troops should have been more vigilant this time!Its a sad loss for us as a nation.I wonder why didn't the Army deployed HMGs like Browning .50 cal at the entrance gate!The terrorists literally mowed down the 2 sentries posted at the gate and moved into the camp.If the sentries had a HMG with them the story could have been entirely different.Maybe @Ray sir can explain this in a detailed manner.
HMGs are not authorised on the WET.

Notwithstanding, it is essential is that the sentries are alert and there should be perimeter patrols so as to detect illegal movements towards the camp. However, the latter may not always be feasible since there would be civilian community just outside the base.

What has happened is unfortunate. I am sure there will be some enquiry and the security taped up further.
 
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Sorry to read such a dry interpretation of a soldier's code. Going by this way of thought, what is the difference between a soldier and a bodyguard?
Everybody works for a living, so does a soldier. But wait, a soldier dies as well, many times in line of fire.
What do we make of that? That too is for some payment is it?
No that is his sacrifice and code. That is something we can never weigh in coins.
That a soldier performs his duty everyday knowing very well the risk of death looming large on him thousand time more than a civilian; is a feat that we need not spoil with our money theories.
Please refrain.

Regards,
Virendra
Every single citizen is responsible for the security of the country. It is nothing to do with paying taxes.

It is unfortunate that most people in India are unaware of army. Army should be ingrained in society.

The enemies should know that every Indian can take up arms and fight. Security will come when most Indian citizens are ready to contribute to security. There will be no need for nuclear weapons then.

We need 100 million citizen soldiers.
 

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HMGs are not authorised on the WET.

Notwithstanding, it is essential is that the sentries are alert and there should be perimeter patrols so as to detect illegal movements towards the camp. However, the latter may not always be feasible since there would be civilian community just outside the base.

What has happened is unfortunate. I am sure there will be some enquiry and the security taped up further.
@Ray Sir, what should be done for better perimeter defence? Don't you think the choice of attack last yr was a cavalry unit/ armoured reg. and this time a field arty. reg. gives a idea that they consider them an easier target than the infantry or RR unit?
 
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