Army camp in Uri under attack, several personnel killed

Ray

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@Ray Sir, what should be done for better perimeter defence? Don't you think the choice of attack last yr was a cavalry unit/ armoured reg. and this time a field arty. reg. gives a idea that they consider them an easier target than the infantry or RR unit?
Actually there can be no fixed template for perimeter defence.

It depends on the acreage, the location, the threat the resources and so on.

Non Infantry units are in the support and service support role and hence are not geared in the same way it is for the Infantry.

That is why Gen Bipin Joshi raised the RR with IA resoures since the Govt was not accepting the proposal where he made sure that non Infantry personnel too were posted to RR so that they learnt how to defend themselves and realise the extent of threat that the Army as a whole encounters.

Having seen such RR units that has a mixed composition, I feel that the IA is much better off than ever before in defending themselves.

That is why when the terrorists attack non Infantry units, the damage is much much less than what it would have been if they, or some of them, were not employed in RR units.

The only thing that comes to mind is to use UAV with night vision surveillance capabilities to look 'deep' and 'in depth' for suspicious movement towards the 'camp' locations.
 
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@Srinivas_K Ok peace, if we go on discussion it becomes more dirty

On topic: Wow Pork!army so desperate. HaPIG drama in lahore,high end military goods with jihadi's.Achedin for Cashmere too in few days :thumb:

The discussion won't get dirty but some prejudices regarding soldiers will be cleared!!

Regarding new outfits and gadgets used by terrorists in Kashmir, New aid and support from bigger powers and Pakistanis are back to their business of bloodshed in the Kashmir Valley. They won't succeed in any of their objectives !!
 
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Army sources say that the attackers were in constant touch with their handlers in POK through radio.
They used same model frequency hopping radio sets used by SSG.
 

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Absolutely wrong 'i will start giving examples like Mafia don's,Celebs also have body guards,who also scarify their life'.Any way this whole discussion is off-topic
You are making this discussion off topic, body guards and soldiers are different !!


I think after elections Kashmir sidelined,Modi&Doval has some strategy to completely bury this stupid issue altogether
Lets hope for the best !!
 

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Lets wait for the retaliation, though I don't foresee anything before the J&K elections.

The central issue is not this on event in isolation but the larger problem; that we as a nation currently are simply not strong enough in the world to deal with this situation in a manner that would be required to put an end to this long, drawn out war with proxies of our enemies. We cannot deal with this in a Chechnya-like manner, for instance, which in my opinion would have been most effective. We wouldn't be able to do that even if we were united as a nation on this matter, unfortunately we are far from that.

Sadly, events such as this will occur again and all we can really do is work on becoming as strong as possible, economically, militarily which ultimately determines what a nation can and cannot do to deal with its issues. Unfortunately, that is a long process and we are significantly behind.

A humble salute though to the brave men of our armed forces.
 

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@Srinivas_K @Illusive Ok peace, if we go on discussion it becomes more dirty

On topic: Wow Pork!army so desperate. HaPIG drama in lahore,high end military goods with jihadi's.Achedin for Cashmere too in few days :thumb:



Jihadis at India's doorsteps now come outfitted in high-end military gear - The Times of India
This looks like a special forces operation rather than a terrorist attack. This needs to be replied in kind.
Saw yesterday in Arnoob's show that GD Bakshi said that this was perhaps a Paki Special Forces suicide mission along with terrorists.Pakis FAILED even in this since they faced Indian Army.

See the difference... Indian soldiers die fighting like a soldier and receive recognition and respect but Paki Soldiers gets killed like Pigs and Pakis refuse to accept their bodies and it rotts on foreign land.

It's a INSULT & SHAME to be a Paki soldier.
 
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Saw yesterday in Arnoob's show that GD Bakshi said that this was perhaps a Paki Special Forces suicide mission along with terrorists.Pakis FAILED even in this since they faced Indian Army.

See the difference... Indian soldiers die fighting like a soldier and receive recognition and respect but Paki Soldiers gets killed like Pigs and Pakis refuse to accept their bodies and it rotts on foreign land.

It's a INSULT & SHAME to be a Paki soldier.
SSG has shame record, in 1971 war 1/3 of the entire SSG force strength just surrender to Indian army. They have to hide their shame for so long.

Even in Kargil they have put SSG along with PA regulars, at the end our soldiers have to buried them with full military honors, when Pakistan refused to take back bodies of their own soldiers.

Expecting more Pakistani SSG pigs to be killed or burn in near future.
 

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I think people are expecting too much from Mr. Modi. During elections, leaders make outlandish promises ... Modi is no exception.

But let's face it, Modi is no Indira Gandhi. Modi will never have the spine to take on Pakistan. He can't even control his own party members, how can you expect him to control other countries?
Umm... ABV took on Pakistan, a nuclear one, Indira Gandhi was hardly unique. She was such a disaster in other fronts that her achievements in this regard seem diminished.

As for Modi and people expecting too much, its much too early to judge. The times are vastly different and so are India's goals and thus the tactics that need to be employed must be vastly different too.
 

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Lets wait some more time to see action on ground in Pakistan. Let see if free hand is given to our guys to deal with them.
 

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US brushes aside assumptions linking Pakistan to Kashmir violence - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
WASHINGTON: The United States has cautioned against making any assumptions linking Pakistan to the latest violence in the Indian occupied Kashmir, while also brushing aside the notion that last week's meeting between Army Chief General Raheel Sharif and Secretary of State John Kerry was somehow connected to the flare-up in the Uri area.
Sure, everyone believes US. :rolleyes:

And a stark contradiction to above :

JuD call to arms to help Kashmiris - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
LAHORE: Jamaatud Dawah emir Hafiz Muhammad Saeed asserts that militants have right to enter held Kashmir to help liberate the Kashmiris from Indian yoke.

He also counseled 'Daish' and other militant outfits to target Israel instead of pitching the Muslims against the Muslims.

"If India can send its troops to Afghanistan, it cannot say that Mujahideen cannot enter Kashmir to win freedom for the oppressed Muslim brothers," he argued while speaking at the concluding session of the two-day congregation of his outfit at the Minar-i-Pakistan grounds here on Friday.
Once elections in J&K conclude, it would be interesting to know what statements US issues once there is heavy retaliation.:thumb:
 

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US brushes aside assumptions linking Pakistan to Kashmir violence - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

Sure, everyone believes US. :rolleyes:

And a stark contradiction to above :

JuD call to arms to help Kashmiris - Pakistan - DAWN.COM


Once elections in J&K conclude, it would be interesting to know what statements US issues once there is heavy retaliation.:thumb:
The US definition of Good/Bad Terrorist would never change.

Their shameful status in Afganistan is a result of such definition.
 

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The US definition of Good/Bad Terrorist would never change.

Their shameful status in Afganistan is a result of such definition.
Good terrorists for them are those which allow them to plunder a country's natural resources. Bad ones are those which don't.:lol:

Good and bad are interchangeable in context of US foreign policy and the financial objectives of the corporations which run that country .
 

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A terror attack was inevitable in Jammu and Kashmir: Here's why

The spate of terror attacks in Kashmir in the past 12 hours would not have surprised security forces and the administration. Striking in Kashmir ahead of a VIP visit or an important event is an old ploy of the terrorists. But this year there was another compelling reason for their desperation.

For the past few days, many people in the security forces, administration and the media were talking about the inevitability of an attack in the Valley and a major operation in Srinagar. Two forthcoming events -- the third phase of polling and Prime Minister Narendra Modi's proposed Srinagar visit -- had forced the hand of the terrorists and if they had not acted now, it would have led to long-term consequences that would have undermined the cause of the militants and their benefactors.

Terrorists act whenever they fear a breakthrough in Kashmir: India-Pakistan dialogue, a new confidence building measure or any government step whose success might indicate that normalcy is returning to Kashmir.

In April 2005, when the Srinagar-Muzzafarabad bus service was to be flagged off by the then PM Manmohan Singh, two terrorists attacked the Tourist Reception Centre in Srinagar, where those scheduled to travel on the inaugural bus were put up.

The start of the bus service was seen as a major step forward for the normalization of the India-Pakistan relation; a development that would not have been acceptable to hardliners, separatists and their patrons across the border.

But a bigger threat is emerging this year with the enthusiastic participation of Kashmiris in the ongoing Assembly elections. Analysts ascribe different reasons—more than 70 percent so far—to the high turnout in the first two phases.

But such nit-picking and micro-analysis doesn't help the cause of those who argue that India is forcibly occupying Kashmir. For the international community, the extraordinary polling figures — even higher than the voting in Jharkhand where elections are being held simultaneously — and visuals of Kashmiris queuing up outside booths in remote areas are irrefutable signs that people are participating in a democratic exercise held under the Indian Constitution.

Even separatist leaders are perplexed by the development and many of them have been reluctant to vigorously implement a poll boycott, afraid that in spite of their efforts the numbers could be very high.

The third phase of polling, scheduled on 9 December, is the last opportunity for those keen to keep voters away from booths. This round of polling would be followed by voting in the urban constituencies of the Valley, including the Hurriyat strongholds of Srinagar, where the percentage has always been low. If Kashmir's urban voters also come out in large numbers this year, it would be a telling blow to the hardliners. So, every effort is on to ensure they stay home, either by choice or because of fear.

The other reason, obviously, is Modi's proposed rally in Srinagar on Monday. The BJP is hoping that around one lakh Kashmiris would attend it. Many Hurriyat leaders have called for a boycott. The stakes are high and nobody can afford to lose this battle that would be beamed live across India and many other countries.

Even if elections were not around, even if the polling percentage in the first two phases was low, militants would still have struck on the eve of a VIP visit. It ensures that terrorists get round the clock coverage, which is always one of the major objectives of such strikes.

The perpetrators of terror attacks also hope that their act would put doubts in the minds of the visiting VIP. This strategy has, however, seldom worked.

In 2005, Manmohan Singh did not cancel his plan to flag off the bus to Muzzafarabad. Knowing Modi, he would already be itching to take the first flight to Srinagar.
 

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Wow means PA stopped sending proxies and jump into enemy territory,is it WAR.I heard PA(suspicious moves before 15 mts) want to blast between wagha gate so that both army men will die and internationalize the issue.Lets rename it Taliban army instead of PA

We have only one choice,which Kenya/Israel army follows crossover and kill them in their homes,when ever they attack them. :rolleyes:
The accused of Wagha bomb blasts are killed in Air strikes with out a trace, says some thing !!
 

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Wow means PA stopped sending proxies and jump into enemy territory,is it WAR.I heard PA(suspicious moves before 15 mts) want to blast between wagha gate so that both army men will die and internationalize the issue.Lets rename it Taliban army instead of PA

We have only one choice,which Kenya/Israel army follows crossover and kill them in their homes,when ever they attack them. :rolleyes:
Our enemy is not like Israeli enemy, so we need other types of tactics.
 

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Good terrorists for them are those which allow them to plunder a country's natural resources. Bad ones are those which don't.:lol:

Good and bad are interchangeable in context of US foreign policy and the financial objectives of the corporations which run that country .
As a FACT... US itself is a "Good Terrorist" and hence the good/bad terrorist theory. :truestory:
 

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I don't think there will be any action priot to Jan-26th. I hope for some action at the border and not using some terrorist strike inside Pakista.
There might be a major terrorist attack in some major city prior 26-Jan since Obama would be the chief guest.This happens usually whenever a big US guy comes here.

Pakis wanted Obama to visit their dirty land but Obama snubbed saying they should make their land safe and they would do some attack on Indian land to get attention like a typical whore.

Pakis are a whore to US which is used enough and a liability now since they have the illegitimate child ie. terrorists.
 

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Umm... ABV took on Pakistan, a nuclear one, Indira Gandhi was hardly unique. She was such a disaster in other fronts that her achievements in this regard seem diminished.

As for Modi and people expecting too much, its much too early to judge. The times are vastly different and so are India's goals and thus the tactics that need to be employed must be vastly different too.
Modi must thank people, people had expectations from him, that is why BJP crossed 272. He should not act like a thankless guy and perform.

"Shat Shat Naman" type Bhashans won't bring our martyrs back. We cannot bring them back, but we can avenge their deaths.
 

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