Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT)

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I won't be surprised if it isn't, but this would make a good side-armour...

...while the outer module would make a much better & spaceous storage box (would explode ATGMs further away too).
Could be armor, perhaps they changed the armor profile in MkIA after all, but shouldn't the top covers be thicker if that's indeed the case??
 

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I won't be surprised if it isn't, but this would make a good side-armour...

...while the outer module would make a much better & spaceous storage box (would explode ATGMs further away too).
From Photos i have seen,it appears they still use Manual Skills to do lot of manufacturing jobs.While if you see the photos of Bharat Forge n others,they use more of Industrial Technologies.Hence,product quality and consistency expected from latter will be better.Even when i saw a tank being tested on Avadi roads,there was rust accumulation on its body parts.What we should expect is finishing,quality n use of modern technologies just like Auto Industry does.My friend who stays in Avadi says there is lot of corruption within the Avadi plant.Details i dont know or asked him.Setup there is huge.If you bring a collaboration with Private Organization,young and vibrant enginners with fresh approach,then results will show in few years.
 

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From Photos i have seen,it appears they still use Manual Skills to do lot of manufacturing jobs.While if you see the photos of Bharat Forge n others,they use more of Industrial Technologies.Hence,product quality and consistency expected from latter will be better.Even when i saw a tank being tested on Avadi roads,there was rust accumulation on its body parts.What we should expect is finishing,quality n use of modern technologies just like Auto Industry does.My friend who stays in Avadi says there is lot of corruption within the Avadi plant.Details i dont know or asked him.Setup there is huge.If you bring a collaboration with Private Organization,young and vibrant enginners with fresh approach,then results will show in few years.
I have seen the problems you stated myself in VFJ during a 15-day internship there.
 

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From Photos i have seen,it appears they still use Manual Skills to do lot of manufacturing jobs.While if you see the photos of Bharat Forge n others,they use more of Industrial Technologies.Hence,product quality and consistency expected from latter will be better.Even when i saw a tank being tested on Avadi roads,there was rust accumulation on its body parts.What we should expect is finishing,quality n use of modern technologies just like Auto Industry does.My friend who stays in Avadi says there is lot of corruption within the Avadi plant.Details i dont know or asked him.Setup there is huge.If you bring a collaboration with Private Organization,young and vibrant enginners with fresh approach,then results will show in few years.
Hope they will improve after getting corporatised.
 

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That I don't really know... I've seen similar slots on Type-96/99. No way to know how thick these caps are.

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Yeah, I know, I've seen those lifting brackets before that are welded on the top plate which itself appear to be welded with the front and side plates but in the case of Arjun (both variants), if you look closely enough, you'll find that those on the Arjun appear more like toggle latches than brackets mounted on lid coverings rather than a solid top plate but I could be wrong there.

The Chinese tanks you mentioned make use of fully modular armor as in, one can replace an entire section of armor altogether with its outer plates attached and that's where those lifting brackets come in. But that is not the case with Arjun (and most other MBTS around the globe), which uses semi-modular armor, as in, in order to replace a damaged section, you would need to cut open the front plate, then replace the inserts, and then weld another plate back into place (It's likely that you know that already). So what would be the point in mounting such brackets on Arjun anyway??
 

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Yeah, I know, I've seen those lifting brackets before that are welded on the top plate which itself appear to be welded with the front and side plates but in the case of Arjun (both variants), if you look closely enough, you'll find that those on the Arjun appear more like toggle latches than brackets mounted on lid coverings rather than a solid top plate but I could be wrong there.

The Chinese tanks you mentioned make use of fully modular armor as in, one can replace an entire section of armor altogether with its outer plates attached and that's where those lifting brackets come in. But that is not the case with Arjun (and most other MBTS around the globe), which uses semi-modular armor, as in, in order to replace a damaged section, you would need to cut open the front plate, then replace the inserts, and then weld another plate back into place (It's likely that you know that already). So what would be the point in mounting such brackets on Arjun anyway??
I was pointing at the lid coverings in Type-96/99 armour module.

But yu know what... We'll find out later. Their prototypes are shit. Even if it's meant to take in armour inserts in final version, it might still be made like that.
 

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I was pointing at the lid coverings in Type-96/99 armour module.
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You mean this lead?? The one I marked in red lines?? Those are coverings for the air gaps they have to leave inside the armor cavity in order to make room for the bolts that are used to attach the modules with the backplate. This is an inherent limitation of fully modular armor designs and this is why I'd said in a previous comment that the LOS thickness of the Chinese turret front modules is deceiving to an extent.

But yu know what... We'll find out later. Their prototypes are shit. Even if it's meant to take in armour inserts in final version, it might still be made like that.
I just hope that they make those solid armor panels in the production variants.
 
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