AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

[Killbot]

Tejas MK1,MK1a,MK2,AMCA MK1 and 2, SU30MKI (planned till 2060 possibly with upgrade to super sukhoi). 50% stealth and 50% 4.5 and below to maintain availability.

The super Sukhoi upgrade is just an MLU. Which means they will serve for the test of their airframe life. And their airframe life is till 2040. It will be retained until 2060 only you want a repeat of the MiG-21 flying coffin saga, which killed over 200 pilots.

Also, where is the '50% stealth'? Only 126 AMCA are planned, Mk.1 and 2 combined. Also, none of the above mentioned aircraft do what the MKI does.

 

[Bleh]

My question was, will we have the listed capabilities when the Su-30s need replacement? Can we make a (for lack of a better term) 6th gen fighter?

Not for me to say... Maybe ORCA of they feel the need to payload, otherwise AMCA Mark2 is they lean on EW.

Don't expect 6th gen to be stealthy, it's already a challenged concept... Maybe semi-stealth ORCA would be more feasible. Depends on how our EW effeorts go.

U are wrong at so many levels i didn't wanted to indulge with u. From the very first statement i said whatever u said can be the case but is not likely. Only thing i corrected was that Astra MK1 dimensions are not for IWB so different AAMs will be developed which was already informed at various times.

How? Explanation? Evidence? Give given nothing!

Instead shown us that you neither know that 90%of world's stealth aircrafts on order are meant for A2G with limited A2A... Nor that stealth had to be coupled with EW in practical situations... Nor can you identify weapons. This is bloody Astra Mark1 shown here...

...you saying "it doesn't fit" means nothing unless you're from ADA.

Sorry this isn't meant as an insult, but other people will take your points seriously when you they're isn't something incorrect in every sentence. You saying stuff won't mean much otherwise.

 

[Ghost hale]

Not for me to say... Maybe ORCA of they feel the need to payload, otherwise AMCA Mark2 is they lean on EW.

Don't expect 6th gen to be stealthy, it's already a challenged concept... Maybe semi-stealth ORCA would be more feasible. Depends on how our EW effeorts go.



How? Explanation? Evidence? Type pricked nothing!

Instead shown us that you neither know that Astra Mark1 can fit in IWB (has been officially displayed).... Nor that 90%of world's stealth aircrafts on order are meant for A2G with limited A2A... Nor that stealth had to be coupled with EW in practical situations... Nor can you identify weapons.

Sorry, other people will take your point seriously when you they're isn't something incorrect in every sentence. You saying stuff won't mean much otherwise.

Lets go point by point. first line doesn't made sense.
Second go on twitter. search for vaimaniki. He has uploaded images from ADA brochure aero show 2021. Try reading and gathering info before giving opinions.
Third , I don't know from where u get 90% data but most probably that is also one of ur made up idea.
Fourth, A F22 signature capture would be avoided by USAF in all scenarios so EW active or not...I wont comment.
Fifth I didnt identified weapon anywhere. I read and believe on more educated people than me instead of claiming i know everything.
Try reading more and typing less. Will help u.

 

[Bleh]

Lets go point by point. first line doesn't made sense.
Second go on twitter. search for vaimaniki. He has uploaded images from ADA brochure aero show 2021. Try reading and gathering info before giving opinions.
Third , I don't know from where u get 90% data but most probably that is also one of ur made up idea.
Fourth, A F22 signature capture would be avoided by USAF in all scenarios so EW active or not...I wont comment.
Fifth I didnt identified weapon anywhere. I read and believe on more educated people than me instead of claiming i know everything.
Try reading more and typing less. Will help u.

Don't care what someone says.

Unless they can prove ADA made a mistake when they rendered this, I'm right & they're wrong.

This is not twitter. Numbers of followers don't make you right here.

1500 odd F-35 are on order. <200 F-22. Do the math. Not even in including J-20 which isn't a dogfighter platform either.

Again, this is not twitter. Bullshittery don't thrive long here. Not in these threads.

 

[Ghost hale]

The super Sukhoi upgrade is just an MLU. Which means they will serve for the test of their airframe life. And their airframe life is till 2040. It will be retained until 2060 only you want a repeat of the MiG-21 flying coffin saga, which killed over 200 pilots.

Also, where is the '50% stealth'? Only 126 AMCA are planned, Mk.1 and 2 combined. Also, none of the above mentioned aircraft do what the MKI does.

Tried searching for source where i read about life cycle for SU30 MKI but can't find . They mentioned with upgrade till 2050-60. Regarding 50-50% , Statement was given by air chief. how numbers will pan out he didnt specified.
Also, 36 rafale and maybe 114 more rafale also will be there.

 

[Ghost hale]

Don't care what someone says.

Unless they can prove ADA made a mistake when they rendered this, I'm right & they're wrong.
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This is not twitter.

1500 odd F-35 are on order. <200 F-22. Do the math.

Again this is not twitter. Bullshittery don't thrive long.

F22 is better than F35 in many aspects. It was expensive thus F35 was developed.
If u think only u know stuff then i don't think there is any point helping u. U live in ur mental paradise.

 

[Bleh]

F22 is better than F35 in many aspects. It was expensive thus F35 was developed.
If u think only u know stuff then i don't think there is any point helping u. U live in ur mental paradise.

Yeah so?.. Stick to the context, ie, the number of 5th gen meant for A2A comoared to A2G.

Keep your fanboyism in twitter. We do evidence & information here, not who said what.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Yeah so?.. Stick to the context, ie, the number of 5th gen meant for A2A comoared to A2G.

5th gen is made for hit and run sort of ops in particular. 5th gen can’t be a great A2A machine, that’s why 4th gen is’nt retiring.

 

[Ghost hale]

Yeah so?.. Stick to the context, ie, the number of 5th gen meant for A2A comoared to A2G.

I believe u follow war news in general. Can u help urself and see what fighters are used for bombing anywhere and everywhere. I can't keep spoon feeding u everything.

 

[Bleh]

5th gen can’t be a great A2A machine,

F-22 would like to disagree with that... It's probably a cost thing.

I believe u follow war news in general. Can u help urself and see what fighters are used for bombing anywhere and everywhere. I can't keep spoon feeding u everything.

You haven't been able to back up a single statement with information or evidence (no, someone's opinion of twiitter don't count). Let alone spoon-feedimg anyone anything.

I've proven your claim regarding Astra being unusable on AMCA wrong & explained the A2A dilemma of AMCA Mark1 & corrected the false claim that majority of 5th gen are mainly meant for air-superiority... There's nothing else to discuss.

 

[Ghost hale]

5th gen is made for hit and run sort of ops in particular. 5th gen can’t be a great A2A machine, that’s why 4th gen is’nt retiring.

As highlighted, one reply .... Freaking-22

 

[FalconSlayers]

F-22 would like to disagree with that... It's probably a cost thing.



You haven't been able to back up a single statement with information or evidence. Let alone spoon-feedimg anyone anything.

I've proven your claim regarding Astra wrong. There's nothing else to discuss.

F-22 is useless, an aircraft that has less than 50% availability rate, can carry fewer A2A weapons in comparison to 4th gen, if was so good, what has it achieved except of half a dozen plus crashes?

 

[HawkisRight]

5th gen is made for hit and run sort of ops in particular. 5th gen can’t be a great A2A machine, that’s why 4th gen is’nt retiring.

tf...nah bro it doesn't work like that

 

[Bleh]

F-22 is useless, an aircraft that has less than 50% availability rate, can carry fewer A2A weapons in comparison to 4th gen, if was so good, what has it achieved except of half a dozen plus crashes?

Maintenance & operational cost is another issue... Let's stick to topic here.

 

[HawkisRight]

F-22 would like to disagree with that... It's probably a cost thing.



You haven't been able to back up a single statement with information or evidence (no, someone's opinion of twiitter don't count). Let alone spoon-feedimg anyone anything.

I've proven your claim regarding Astra being unusable on AMCA wrong & explained the A2A dilemma of AMCA Mark1 & corrected the false claim that majority of 5th gen are mainly meant for air-superiority... There's nothing else to discuss.

U r engaging in pointless discussion

 

[Bleh]

U r engaging in pointless discussion

Pfft. He's just new... Plus others will read the stuff

 

[Ghost hale]

F-22 is useless, an aircraft that has less than 50% availability rate, can carry fewer A2A weapons in comparison to 4th gen, if was so good, what has it achieved except of half a dozen plus crashes?

It provide area denial. Most stealth jets are for this purpose. Its like aircraft carriers. Attack group actively participate but a carrier is more of a deterrent. It is most powerful machine in group but don't see much of action.

 

[Ghost hale]

F-22 would like to disagree with that... It's probably a cost thing.



You haven't been able to back up a single statement with information or evidence (no, someone's opinion of twiitter don't count). Let alone spoon-feedimg anyone anything.

I've proven your claim regarding Astra being unusable on AMCA wrong & explained the A2A dilemma of AMCA Mark1 & corrected the false claim that majority of 5th gen are mainly meant for air-superiority... There's nothing else to discuss.

I am also replying just so other people can read and make opinion. I have lost hope on u. And last U havn't proven anything. U gave opinions that too misinformed ones.

 

[Killbot]

Tried searching for source where i read about life cycle for SU30 MKI but can't find . They mentioned with upgrade till 2050-60. Regarding 50-50% , Statement was given by air chief. how numbers will pan out he didnt specified.
Also, 36 rafale and maybe 114 more rafale also will be there.

Dude, airframe life of a plane with an aluminum frame won't be 50 years. One thing is for certain, it will be more of a fiasco than MiG-21 if MKIs are retained for that long.

Who is 'they'? Who mentioned that MKI will last until 2060?
@Bleh

 

[Bleh]

Who is 'they'? Who mentioned that MKI will last until 2060?

Did you just ask for a source instead of looking on Twitter!?..

Seriously tho... Aircrafts being ordered now can be expected to see 35-40 years of service. COAS said oldest ones will serve till 2045, so don't sweat about Su-30 replacements r8 now.