AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

[Bleh]

@Nationalist Manasvi Papa @FalconSlayers ab bas vi karo re.

There is only limited space of weight and area in IWB. Just lower weight won't allow increased number of armaments.

Ofcourse, that's obvious fact. I'm aware of it.
The length & dia & fins of HSLD & PG-HSLD would allow 4 to fit... 8 SAAW & 2 Khagantak/HSLD bomb/LGB with BVRs were displayed in models or renders.

Only CATS Hunter & Gaurav were my guesses. The 1st is the size of quad-SAAW launcher, so might fit one on each side. Gaurav may not fit 4, but definitely 2 with BVRs.

 

[Tactical Doge]

No, we’ll bomb Italy with Antonia Maino, we’ll not give our Rahul to anyone, he is our daily dose of laughter.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Its quick because you already have sufficient flight performance data that'd help design an aircraft around the data. Earlier you dint have the data, therefore you had to change designs on TD and PV and LSP's and then go to SP. With TEDBF you are eliminating a whole lot of work.

More data and more understanding of how they functions help you to evolve a simulator which reduces a lots of works and experimentation.

 

[Ghost hale]

Ofcourse, that's obvious fact. I'm aware of it.
The length & dia & fins of HSLD & PG-HSLD would allow 4 to fit... 8 SAAW & 2 Khagantak/HSLD bomb/LGB with BVRs were displayed in models or renders.

Seems highly unlikely.

 

[Blank]

There was talk of AMCA MK1 & MK2. When will MK2 then be inducted?

 

[Ghost hale]

There was talk of AMCA MK1 & MK2. When will MK2 then be inducted?

2036-37 planned.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

As per DRDO Cheif's estimates AMCA mk2 should be inducted in IAF by 2034.

Of course he is only talking about ideal situation, not including any unforeseen circumstances (like US sanctions) or delay in testing due to design flaws in the aircraft (highly unlikely due to the extensive CFD expirements spanning more than a decade) or delay in granting funding.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

As per DRDO Cheif's estimates AMCA mk2 should be inducted in IAF by 2024.

Of course he is only talking about ideal situation, not including any unforeseen circumstances (like US sanctions) or delay in testing due to design flaws in the aircraft (highly unlikely due to the extensive CFD expirements spanning more than a decade) or delay in granting funding.

AMCA Mk2 or LCA MK1A in 2024?

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

AMCA Mk2 or LCA MK1A in 2024?

Typing mistake. It is 2034. Aleady corrected in the post.

 

[Suhaan]

AMCA Mk2 or LCA MK1A in 2024?

Maybe typo must have said 2034

 

[Killbot]

@Nationalist Manasvi Papa @FalconSlayers ab bas vi karo re.



Ofcourse, that's obvious fact. I'm aware of it.
The length & dia & fins of HSLD & PG-HSLD would allow 4 to fit... 8 SAAW & 2 Khagantak/HSLD bomb/LGB with BVRs were displayed in models or renders.

Only CATS Hunter & Gaurav were my guesses. The 1st is the size of quad-SAAW launcher, so might fit one on each side. Gaurav may not fit 4, but definitely 2 with BVRs.

Can twin racks for WVRs/BVRs be accommodated in the IWB? Also, wouldn't it be better to carry something like 2 ASRAAM along with ground package than BVR?

 

[Bleh]

Seems highly unlikely.

I discussed several probable combinations... Which one exactly?

Can twin racks for WVRs/BVRs be accommodated in the IWB? Also, wouldn't it be better to carry something like 2 ASRAAM along with ground package than BVR?

Very unlikely. The racks themselves would easy up most of the space.

And in a stealthy strike mission AMCA would prefer to not engage any A2A enemy. It might carry Astra-IR to be used at medium range, yes. But let me remind you that AMCA weapon bays cannot launch closed-combat missiles in high-G dogfight... That's require years of trials & one of the likely reasons the sidebays were removed in Mark1.

 

[Lonewolf]

I discussed several probable combinations... Which one exactly?



Very unlikely. The racks themselves would easy up most of the space.

And in a stealthy strike mission AMCA would prefer to not engage any A2A enemy. It might carry Astra-IR to be used at medium range, yes. But let me remind you that AMCA weapon bays cannot launch closed-combat missiles in high-G dogfight... That's require years of trials & one of the likely reasons the sidebays were removed in Mark1.

Can't we add a smaller bay between engines , a wild concept for some brahmos or some supersonic missile

 

[Ghost hale]

I discussed several probable combinations... Which one exactly?

Bombing. The CATS program all together is being developed for exactly same requirement i.e. to avoid fighter jets incursion inside enemy territories for bombing. Stealth fighter are more for deterrent and air space superiority then ground attack. Thus AAMs will be high on priorities for weapon bay. What is suggested can be done as i dont know exactly what dimension data is analyzed, so cant argue but I guess air superiority is more of a primary task of stealth jet.

 

[Bleh]

Can't we add a smaller bay between engines , a wild concept for some brahmos or some supersonic missile

Not unless you want to wait until 2035. That'd require redesign of the whole body fuselage.

Bombing. The CATS program all together is being developed for exactly same requirement i.e. to avoid fighter jets incursion inside enemy territories for bombing. Stealth fighter are more for deterrent and air space superiority then ground attack. Thus AAMs will be high on priorities for weapon bay. What is suggested can be done as i dont know exactly what dimension data is analyzed, so cant argue but I guess air superiority is more of a primary task of stealth jet.

Oh no. It's not capable of air-superiority role as it can't carry CCM in internal bays (refer to other posts, explained there). Sniping with ARH & IIR guidance long or mid-range missiles will be limit of AMCA Mark1 in stealthy configuration.

 

[Lonewolf]

Not unless Toph want to wait until 2035. That'd require redesign of the whole body fuselage.

That was something for mk 2 ,

 

[Bleh]

That was something for mk 2 ,

Where'd you learn that?.. It's be pretty badass but feasibility is another issue. Is it just your personal wish or something real.

 

[Ghost hale]

Not unless you want to wait until 2035. That'd require redesign of the whole body fuselage.



Oh no. It's not capable of air-superiority role as it can't carry CCM in internal bays (refer to other posts, explained there). Sniping with ARH & IIR guidance long or mid-range missiles will be limit of AMCA Mark1 in stealthy configuration.

Missile will be developed for IWB as already planned. Most countries have done that. And what benefit is of pushing stealth fighter in enemy territory when same can be achieved by other cheaper and safer methods. All modern jets have capabilities for most attacks but always interceptors and attack is preferred with 2nd tier lineup of aircrafts.

 

[Lonewolf]

Where'd you learn that?.. It's be pretty badass but feasibility is another issue. Is it just your personal wish or something real.

I compared it to su 57 weapons bay arrangements , and thought that how can we fit a wvr in it or it can beconnected to main weapons bay to put a big missile like brahmos , if amca mk 2 is a chonky baby , maybe we can put it , also side weapons bay are more difficult technique .

 

[Bleh]

Missile will be developed for IWB as already planned.

As already planned?!.. What plan? What missiles?.... Carrying CCM in stealthy config don't require new missile! It needs special propout launching rails (usually side-bays) that can do it in high-G, like the wing pylons.

Rest is personal opinion (not completely correct either), that too on doctrine. I'm talking based on what info & plans are known in public.

I compared it to su 57 weapons bay arrangements , and thought that how can we fit a wvr in it or it can beconnected to main weapons bay to put a big missile like brahmos , if amca mk 2 is a chonky baby , maybe we can put it , also side weapons bay are more difficult technique .

Very very different design styles. Moving engines aside is almost clean-sheet design, not like F-18 & SH-18... And you can't put Brahmos in sidebays.