AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

[A chauhan]

I'm saying this past isn't ostensibly correct. I doubt that it has anything to do with maneuverability, as this isn't done in any 4th gen jets.

Positioning change was negligible, mostly shape & size. This may help you understand. It's the reference image for adjustment of Kuntal's AMCA.

And comparison wise it's most similar to FC-31 right now, not F-22.

My contention is not comparison with F-22 bro, I was talking about the engine nozzles' position of F-22 between main wing and stabilizers which makes that more maneuverable. Though AMCA is smaller and it particularly does not follow the same design pattern yet having somewhat larger stabilizer it will see improvements in that area, and I concur with you that positioning is almost same only size has increased.

 

[A chauhan]

Landing gear for 25 tonne class twin engine fighter.
Questions. Anybody please.
(1) Would 110kn class be sufficient for 5.5-6 gen fighters?
(2) Would the full IP lie with India, including core?
(3) Is it a variable cycle engine?

IMO
1. Depends on the desired weight of the AC. For AMCA Mk1 and pure stealth missions it will be more than enough.
2. It doesn't seem so.
3. Most probably It would be.

 

[Dessert Storm]

IMO
1. Depends on the desired weight of the AC. For AMCA Mk1 and pure stealth missions it will be more than enough.
2. It doesn't seem so.
3. Most probably It would be.

(1) I specified 5.5 to 6 gen. I meant AMCA Mk2.
(2) That's a big if true.
(3) Only P&W, RR, GE have work-ex on Variable Cycle Engines AFAIK.

Therefore, with the information available as of now, it seems the Safran JV would be trying to develop a VCE using Indian money and, at the end of it, we won't have full IP of an engine which 'may' be insufficient to power AMCA Mk2.
* Will wait for the official declaration of the JV and its terms of reference.
** Hope that RR is on its toes too. GE.... are you listening.

 

[A chauhan]

(1) I specified 5.5 to 6 gen. I meant AMCA Mk2.
(2) That's a big if true.
(3) Only P&W, RR, GE have work-ex on Variable Cycle Engines AFAIK.

Therefore, with the information available as of now, it seems the Safran JV would be trying to develop a VCE using Indian money and, at the end of it, we won't have full IP of an engine which 'may' be insufficient to power AMCA Mk2.
* Will wait for the official declaration of the JV and its terms of reference.
** Hope that RR is on its toes too. GE.... are you listening.

AMCA Mk2 (6th gen) will have better electronic countermeasures, avionics, swarm drones' control, data fusion, directed energy weapons and many more features all of these will surely require more power; now it's uncertain how much power will be needed but definitely F-414 class engine won't suffice for these And it can certainly be seen that power consumption has drastically increased with newer generations of jets.

 

[Dessert Storm]

AMCA Mk2 (6th gen) will have better electronic countermeasures, avionics, swarm drones' control, data fusion, directed energy weapons and many more features all of these will surely require more power; now it's uncertain how much power will be needed but definitely F-414 class engine won't suffice for these And it can certainly be seen that power consumption has drastically increased with newer generations of jets.

It may also be noted that as of now, AMCA is the lightest 5th Gen Fighter. If they plan to turn AMCA into a Heavy using Tejas-MWF template, then what. What's the future progression that's planned. Are the French trying to leech money forever using the JV. Let's wait for further details(dosen't sound good as of now).

 

[HawkisRight]

AMCA Mk2 (6th gen) will have better electronic countermeasures, avionics, swarm drones' control, data fusion, directed energy weapons and many more features all of these will surely require more power; now it's uncertain how much power will be needed but definitely F-414 class engine won't suffice for these And it can certainly be seen that power consumption has drastically increased with newer generations of jets.

Amca mk2 isn't 6th gen it is 5.5 at best... Only Americans have authority over what will be 6th gen because generational aircraft is an American concept nd they pioneered 5th gen...

 

[A chauhan]

Amca mk2 isn't 6th gen it is 5.5 at best... Only Americans have authority over what will be 6th gen because generational aircraft is an American concept nd they pioneered 5th gen...

Yeah it's a 5.5 gen AC but 6th gen features, you are right about USA. BTW what is the main feature of a 6th gen AC in your view which distinguishes it from 5th gen ?

 

[HawkisRight]

Yeah it's a 5.5 gen AC but 6th gen features, you are right about USA. BTW what is the main feature of a 6th gen AC in your view which distinguishes it from 5th gen ?

AI..there r others too but imo it has to be AI just like STEALTH separates 5th gen from rest gen fighters AI will separate 6th gen from others...To quote Mukesh Ambani at Reliance AGM where he launched 5g 'what human civilization has not achieved in last 40000 years Humans will achieve in next 80 years at d end of 21st century Because of AI revolution'..

 

[Dessert Storm]

Yeah it's a 5.5 gen AC but 6th gen features, you are right about USA. BTW what is the main feature of a 6th gen AC in your view which distinguishes it from 5th gen ?

From the 6th Gen Thread

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

It is not clear from the HAL presentation, that will the AMCA Mk2 only incorporate a new engine, or will it undergo any structural changes as well for better performance, like the LCA mk2 from LCA mk1.
Also, no mention of Navalized version of AMCA from the project timeline.

 

[Bleh]

It is not clear from the HAL presentation, that will the AMCA Mk2 only incorporate a new engine, or will it undergo any structural changes as well for better performance, like the LCA mk2 from LCA mk1.
Also, no mention of Navalized version of AMCA from the project timeline.

An 110kN engine will require structural changes, that goes without saying. We're possibly looking at some elongation by fuselage plugs too for housing more fuel.


These changes should be comparable to Tejas FOC & old Mark2, not MWF.

 

[WolfPack86]

Atmanirbhar Bharat: Indigenously Built 5th Generation Fighter Aircraft To Be Inducted By 2029
HAL Tejas, Sukhoi-30MKI, and Rafael, along with Navy's HAL, Naval Tejas, and MiG-29s in the Air Force, will be replaced this 5th generation indigenous fighter jet

India will now manufacture the fifth-generation fighter aircraft on its own under the Atmanirbhar Bharat Abhiyan. Currently, Rafael fighter jets coming from France are of 4.5 generation, while America, Russia, and France have developed next-generation aircraft.

Therefore, India has decided to manufacture the fifth generation Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft on its own, while reducing the dependence on foreign companies and promoting 'Self-reliant India' and 'Make in India' mission. For this, work has started on fast-forwarding the scheme, pending for three years.

Thus, the detailed design of AMCA has been finalized, and now better engines are being sought.

India Will Make Its Fifth-Generation Fighter Aircraft

India had decided to work with Russia to build the fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) after it signed a deal with France in 2016 for 36 Rafale jets of 4.5 generation. Under this plan, the Indian Air Force was to produce fifth-generation fighter aircraft based on the Russian aircraft Sukhoi-57.

A total of 43 changes were to be made to Sukhoi-57, including advanced sensors, networking, and combat avionics. The scheme was put on hold in 2017 to promote indigenisation and reduce dependence on foreign technology.

Now India has decided to manufacture the fifth generation Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft on its own while reducing the reliance on foreign companies and promoting 'Self-reliant India' and 'Make in India' missions. Therefore, work has been started on fast-forwarding the scheme, which has been pending for three years.

These Companies Have Been Given Responsibility

Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) is an Indian program to develop fifth-generation fighter aircraft. Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) and Aircraft Research and Design Centre (ARDC) are designing this fighter aircraft, while Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) will build the plane based on this design.

ADA has also designed the indigenous Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas. Therefore it was given the responsibility to develop the fifth-generation fighter aircraft. The detailed design was finalized in February 2019 after completion of the study on the preliminary design.

A CAD model of the plane was shown at Aero India-2019.

What Will Be The Specialties

The fifth-generation indigenous fighter jet will play various roles apart from air superiority, ground attack, bombing, and an interception. It will be capable of defeating previous generation fighters with super cruise, stealth, and advanced AESA radars, super movability, data fusion, and advanced avionics with many ground and sea defence systems.

HAL Tejas, Sukhoi-30MKI, and Rafael, along with Navy's HAL, Naval Tejas, and MiG-29s in the Air Force, will be replaced this 5th generation indigenous fighter jet.

The indigenous fighter jet is intended to succeed Jaguar, Mirage-2000, and MiG-27 in the Indian Air Force. It will be the third supersonic jet of Indian origin after HAL's HF-Marut and HAL Tejas.

According to the Indian Air Force and Aeronautical Development Agency, India's first 5th generation fighter jet requires an engine that has future development potential for use in 6th generation unmanned programs.

India is in talks with a British company for this. The company has promised to jointly develop a new engine, which will not be based on the engine EJ-200 of American stealth aircraft.

As per the plan, it will be an all-weather multipurpose fighter aircraft with single-seat and twin-engine. India's first fifth-generation fighter jet is planned to be launched in 2024.

A total of four prototypes are initially planned, with the first flight expected to take place in 2025 or 2026, and begin production in 2029.

Air Chief Marshal Air Marshal RKS Bhadoria also said that we had put our faith in the indigenous 5th generation aircraft at the annual press conference on Monday. It will be our mainstay after a decade.

The AMCA will feature the sixth generation. Air Marshal Sandeep Singh also said that there are plans to include Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft into the Air Force major by the end of this decade.

Atmanirbhar Bharat: Indigenously Built 5th Generation Fighter Aircraft To Be Inducted By 2029

HAL Tejas, Sukhoi-30MKI, and Rafael, along with Navy's HAL, Naval Tejas, and MiG-29s in the Air Force, will be replaced this 5th generation ...

www.indiandefensenews.in

 

[porky_kicker]

This looks to be the final design of AMCA

Roll out 2024
First flight 2025

Late IMO

 

[Dessert Storm]

Atmanirbhar Bharat: Indigenously Built 5th Generation Fighter Aircraft To Be Inducted By 2029
HAL Tejas, Sukhoi-30MKI, and Rafael, along with Navy's HAL, Naval Tejas, and MiG-29s in the Air Force, will be replaced this 5th generation indigenous fighter jet

India will now manufacture the fifth-generation fighter aircraft on its own under the Atmanirbhar Bharat Abhiyan. Currently, Rafael fighter jets coming from France are of 4.5 generation, while America, Russia, and France have developed next-generation aircraft.

Therefore, India has decided to manufacture the fifth generation Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft on its own, while reducing the dependence on foreign companies and promoting 'Self-reliant India' and 'Make in India' mission. For this, work has started on fast-forwarding the scheme, pending for three years.

Thus, the detailed design of AMCA has been finalized, and now better engines are being sought.

India Will Make Its Fifth-Generation Fighter Aircraft

India had decided to work with Russia to build the fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) after it signed a deal with France in 2016 for 36 Rafale jets of 4.5 generation. Under this plan, the Indian Air Force was to produce fifth-generation fighter aircraft based on the Russian aircraft Sukhoi-57.

A total of 43 changes were to be made to Sukhoi-57, including advanced sensors, networking, and combat avionics. The scheme was put on hold in 2017 to promote indigenisation and reduce dependence on foreign technology.

Now India has decided to manufacture the fifth generation Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft on its own while reducing the reliance on foreign companies and promoting 'Self-reliant India' and 'Make in India' missions. Therefore, work has been started on fast-forwarding the scheme, which has been pending for three years.

These Companies Have Been Given Responsibility

Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) is an Indian program to develop fifth-generation fighter aircraft. Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) and Aircraft Research and Design Centre (ARDC) are designing this fighter aircraft, while Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) will build the plane based on this design.

ADA has also designed the indigenous Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas. Therefore it was given the responsibility to develop the fifth-generation fighter aircraft. The detailed design was finalized in February 2019 after completion of the study on the preliminary design.

A CAD model of the plane was shown at Aero India-2019.

What Will Be The Specialties

The fifth-generation indigenous fighter jet will play various roles apart from air superiority, ground attack, bombing, and an interception. It will be capable of defeating previous generation fighters with super cruise, stealth, and advanced AESA radars, super movability, data fusion, and advanced avionics with many ground and sea defence systems.

HAL Tejas, Sukhoi-30MKI, and Rafael, along with Navy's HAL, Naval Tejas, and MiG-29s in the Air Force, will be replaced this 5th generation indigenous fighter jet.

The indigenous fighter jet is intended to succeed Jaguar, Mirage-2000, and MiG-27 in the Indian Air Force. It will be the third supersonic jet of Indian origin after HAL's HF-Marut and HAL Tejas.

According to the Indian Air Force and Aeronautical Development Agency, India's first 5th generation fighter jet requires an engine that has future development potential for use in 6th generation unmanned programs.

India is in talks with a British company for this. The company has promised to jointly develop a new engine, which will not be based on the engine EJ-200 of American stealth aircraft.

As per the plan, it will be an all-weather multipurpose fighter aircraft with single-seat and twin-engine. India's first fifth-generation fighter jet is planned to be launched in 2024.

A total of four prototypes are initially planned, with the first flight expected to take place in 2025 or 2026, and begin production in 2029.

Air Chief Marshal Air Marshal RKS Bhadoria also said that we had put our faith in the indigenous 5th generation aircraft at the annual press conference on Monday. It will be our mainstay after a decade.

The AMCA will feature the sixth generation. Air Marshal Sandeep Singh also said that there are plans to include Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft into the Air Force major by the end of this decade.

Atmanirbhar Bharat: Indigenously Built 5th Generation Fighter Aircraft To Be Inducted By 2029

HAL Tejas, Sukhoi-30MKI, and Rafael, along with Navy's HAL, Naval Tejas, and MiG-29s in the Air Force, will be replaced this 5th generation ...

www.indiandefensenews.in

Hold on. How can an aircraft to be inducted in 2030 or so replace Tejas, Sukhoi MkI(upgraded to Super Sukhoi), Rafales, Mig 29s(maybe yes) even by 2040. 'Eventually' even AMCA Mk1 will be replaced.

 

[FGFAPilot1]

This looks to be the final design of AMCA

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1. Large horizontal stabilizers point towards good maneuverability being a policy for the designers.

2. The Engine nozzles seem to be IR shielded just like the F-15/F-22.

3. The only downside I can see is that the wing loading with such a relatively small wing might be high, compromising on certain aspects.

I'm just going on this image though, so could be wrong on all points.

 

[porky_kicker]

Compared to previous designs the wings are swept back in my opinion.

The engine nozzle seems normal without any visible IR mitigation measures.

A prominent stinger now visible

Large stabilators , could mean a naval AMCA is possible later on

Since the pic is a top down , vertical tail is not visible or have they omitted the tail ( tailless design - a study was funded for a tailless design ) , most probably it has a tail unless proven otherwise.

A single weapons bay reflects poorly on the designers , considering they had a decade to work on the design

 

[FGFAPilot1]

Compared to previous designs the wings are swept back in my opinion

Seems to be so, slightly higher MACH number in mind?

 

[porky_kicker]

No idea , god only knows what ADA is doing

 

[fire starter]

Compared to previous designs the wings are swept back in my opinion.

The engine nozzle seems normal without any visible IR mitigation measures.

A prominent stinger now visible

Large stabilators , could mean a naval AMCA is possible later on

Since the pic is a top down , tail is not visible or have they omitted the tail ( tailless design - a study was funded for a tailless design ) , most probably it has a tail unless proven otherwise.

A single weapons bay reflects poorly on the designers , considering they had a decade to work on the design

1) It was vertical tail less.
2) There is no space for side bays.

 

[Steven Rogers]

This looks to be the final design of AMCA

View attachment 61860

Roll out 2024
First flight 2025

Late IMO

Where are the air intakes,and engines are kept direct behind the cockpit and weapons bay....