ADA Tejas Mark-II/Medium Weight Fighter

[Vaibhavseafarer]

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Maybe possible in next batches.
Like J-10 they switched from Splitter plate to DSI
We might modify later. With F414 EPE and other improvements.

 

[SARTHAK]

good news

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Okay,

This is a really optimistic scenario and I do not think this will happen.
1. Rafales are too expensive and we cannot order any more of them anytime in the near future(2-3 years, factor in delivery times, and other shenanigans). Besides Dassault facility in France is totally booked right now for another 5-7 years. Orders are coming in from Croatia, possibly from Indonesia and more will come from Egypt. At most 18-36 more will be ordered and that's a big if and will most probably be delivered in the 2030s, by then would it really make sense to purchase such an expensive aircraft? I don't think so.

2. Metal cutting hasn't started for the Mk2 MWF so we cannot be sure about timelines now but probably it will have a much shorter development time than the OG Tejas. But it would still be ready for production at around 2030(Give or take 2 years or so).

Unless production is outsourced to some private vendor, do not expect HAL to crank out Tejas Mk2 MWF like pancakes because it will be in process of upgrading Su-30s which will consume a lot of its manpower and resources. So production figures unless not sourced to some other vendor would remain around 18 jets per year. All in all 5-7 squadrons by 2035 if things go as planned and IAF places firm orders as well.

3. Mirages and Mig-29s will serve at least till 2040. Why? because we cannot retire them and leave a massive capability gap in the air force. We still haven't retired Mig-21s despite it coming ridiculously old so the same will happen for Mirages and Fulcrums.

The final tally would something like this.

270 Su-30Mki(some 5 upgraded squadrons hopefully)
123 Tejas Mk1+Mk1A
90-126 Tejas Mk2 MWF
36(possible 54-72) Rafale
48 Mirages
87 Mig-29s
36 Jaguars D3.

603 to 762 jets. 33 to 42 squadrons, of which 171 jets(10 squadrons) would be obsolete aircraft. And these numbers are considering a replacement for losses of Su-30, Tejas, and Rafale and No losses for Mirages Fulcrums and Jaguars.

It is impossible for IAF to modernize and reach 42-45 squadrons it needs to spend less like a drunken sailor and spend carefully and GoI should also look towards increasing the CapEx as well as OpEx for all three branches.

Metal cutting has started for Mk2 this Jan. As of now schedule is on for rollout 2022 August. Or can happen early 2023.

 

[aditya10r]

Metal cutting has started for Mk2 this Jan. As of now schedule is on for rollout 2022 August. Or can happen early 2023.

Add another 5 years to Full-scale production(1 squadron=18 jets/year) and you get around 2027-2028 timeline.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Don’t know if anyone noticed, but it’s an LCA Mk-II Patch which Tejasvi Surya was wearing.

 

[Bleh]

The carrier/naval version is known as j35/fc35, can check at sinodefenceforum for more details.
ask yourself is jf17 export standard?? They(pak) are inducting them in bulk!!
they might be expensive but pak army will let their citizens die but will still purchase new weapons and platform!
&
forget them don’t you think that we should get AMCA by 2035 and whole 42 squadrons so that we can then focus on our navy and future drones with AI as that’s the future...

Wait! Isn't J 31 supposed to me medium weight 5th generation fighter? Complementing it's heavier counterpart J 20.

Who going to fill the roll then?

FC-31 is actually progressing very well, better than J-20 did at this point.. It's their Teddy. Made solely for CATOBAR carrier ops, with internal AShM.

 

[Trololo]

FC-35 is actually progressing very well, better than J-20 did at this point.. It's their Teddy. Made solely for CATOBAR carrier ops, with internal AShM.
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I have a feeling that by the middle of the decade the pakis will induct this without the arrestor hook and a lighter normal landing gear. I wonder how this will fare against the AMCA if the Chinese can make a decent 110 class engine. Also note the EOTS bulb in the chin.

 

[Bleh]

I have a feeling that by the middle of the decade the pakis will induct this without the arrestor hook and a lighter normal landing gear. I wonder how this will fare against the AMCA if the Chinese can make a decent 110 class engine. Also note the EOTS bulb in the chin.

Very likely.. They'll have pressure to counter our AMCA. But not before 2030 I think.

 

[Trololo]

Very likely.. They'll have pressure to counter our AMCA. But not before 2030 I think.

Given how the JF17 blunder project went we should go with the assumption that Project Azm involves assembly of the J-31 in Pak specific configuration at PAC Kamra. Whether that will fructify or not is a different matter.

Also given the pace of the blunder induction and to have an upper hand over IAF Rafales the Pakis will surely induct the J-31 from the first lot itself as direct import. Honestly I won't be surprised if the J-31 is ready for induction within the next 3-4 years.

 

[Flying Dagger]

Add another 5 years to Full-scale production(1 squadron=18 jets/year) and you get around 2027-2028 timeline.

Move it to 2030 by 27-28 we won't hit 18 unit for MWF may be for mk1a/LIFT SPORT which will be given up for MWF.

Very likely.. They'll have pressure to counter our AMCA. But not before 2030 I think.

If they didn't get their hands on some second hand F-16s and upgrade they'll go for another Chinese option pretty early.

 

[Trololo]

Move it to 2030 by 27-28 we won't hit 18 unit for MWF may be for mk1a/LIFT SPORT which will be given up for MWF.



If they didn't get their hands on some second hand F-16s and upgrade they'll go for another Chinese option pretty early.

If we assume that the J-31 will hit snags and will start seeing induction only in the 2030 timeframe and PAF doesn't get new F-16s or upgrades or spares, then we can expect to see PAF field the J-10C or J-11D. J-11D seems more likely because Blunder in various blocks will fulfil the single engine role and PAF can use a non stealth workhorse twin engine in the form of the J-11D until the J-31 arrives.

 

[Lonewolf]

Move it to 2030 by 27-28 we won't hit 18 unit for MWF may be for mk1a/LIFT SPORT which will be given up for MWF.



If they didn't get their hands on some second hand F-16s and upgrade they'll go for another Chinese option pretty early.

They were going for j10 c if they are allowed , fc 31 would be a maintenance nightmare for them , weather condition in porkyland is harsh too , unlike choyna .

We have total capacity of 24 jets after 2024 , so if 16 are for mk1a , and super sukhoi upgrade starts in2023 we would be having 5years to upgrade 120 or so newer sukhoi , mk1a contract ends in 2028 , tedbf goes in production in2031 ,so if most of assembly line is diverted to mk2 ,we can manufacture atleast 16 mk 2 by 2028 only ,cause mk2 contract needs to be finished fast as squadrons would be really in need of replacements , twdbf production rate won't cross 12 per years , maybe nashik line ,rest all would be for mk2

 

[Lonewolf]

If we assume that the J-31 will hit snags and will start seeing induction only in the 2030 timeframe and PAF doesn't get new F-16s or upgrades or spares, then we can expect to see PAF field the J-10C or J-11D. J-11D seems more likely because Blunder in various blocks will fulfil the single engine role and PAF can use a non stealth workhorse twin engine in the form of the J-11D until the J-31 arrives.

Maintenance havoc ,russian plane with chinese upgraded ,not gonna make it through .

J10 c for sure

 

[Lonewolf]

Maintenance havoc ,russian plane with chinese upgraded ,not gonna make it through .

J10 c for sure

Also j 10 c are much more useful for them

 

[Trololo]

Also j 10 c are much more useful for them

Capability gap between Bandar Block 3 and J-10C ?

 

[Lonewolf]

Capability gap between Bandar Block 3 and J-10C ?

Huge , j10c have higher payload about 2.5 ton higher ,better aerodynamic , powerful avionics ,lot more flying hours ,more combat radius , atleast double of jf17 , more weapons integrated .

 

[Trololo]

This thread folks: https://defenceforumindia.com/threa...rmed-forces-ideas-news-and-discussions.82844/
Please post your comments. We seriously need to debate this topic.

 

[onlinpunit]

That will be a blunder of epic proportions. Our brave young pilots are dying in those Mig-21s due to this inaction.

You want IAF to induct a Jet which does not even exist !
How about HAL making some real planes and handing them over to IAF as well !

 

[Ar.gaurav28]

Don’t know if anyone noticed, but it’s an LCA Mk-II Patch which Tejasvi Surya was wearing.
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And there is AMCA’s Patch too, on the other side!

 

[FalconSlayers]

And there is AMCA’s Patch too, on the other side!

Yes .