What military equipment would YOU like to see in the Indian Armed Forces

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

Re: What military equipment would YOU like to see in the Indian Armed

my bad F INSAS

 

[Compersion]

Re: What military equipment would YOU like to see in the Indian Armed

and why we need that

demonstrate technical skill also ability. we have to say we can defend and protect our allies and close relations even 10,000 km + away. it will also be good for deterrence and preemption. also it would take-away the paki centric ("eccentric") approach to viewing india even more that is done at the present. it will also match the role that india is being asked by many and where india will take the role of in the comity of nations. also it will prepare for unforeseen developments and circumstances that can be managed by such a armament.

there is also the question of UNSC membership and there is the role of India in setting standards and precedents for the future from the upcoming and impending reforms - since one cannot do that with the last entrant. India will play a important and significant role since others will view why it deserves UNSC membership. And one cardinal requirement that is there is the current P5 have ICBM with range of 10,000 Km +. I believe this qualification ought to be maintained and met by upcoming members since they demonstrate the role and skills needs to sit on such a table.

we can do it why don't we is the better question.

we had smiling buddha - why we did pokhran 2.

after Pokhran 2 everyone thought the reaction would be net-negative. but in fact it was net and gross positive in favor of India.

I think it will only be a question of when not why. The reason ought to be primarily because of UNSC aspirations and defend and protect our allies and close relations even 10,000 km + away. India is not aggressive and has peaceful motives.

ICBM(s) with range of 10,000 KM + please.

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

Re: What military equipment would YOU like to see in the Indian Armed

demonstrate technical skill also ability. we have to say we can defend and protect our allies and close relations even 10,000 km + away. it will also be good for deterrence and preemption. also it would take-away the paki centric ("eccentric") approach to viewing india even more that is done at the present. it will also match the role that india is being asked by many and where india will take the role of in the comity of nations. also it will prepare for unforeseen developments and circumstances that can be managed

there is also the question of UNSC membership and

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agni V covers all our main foes ie pak and china , there isn't any foe india have except those two
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to protect our ally we have ABM
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india gets very less funds for research and we should be wise to use is. Instead we should concentrate on MIRV
if later there is need drdo says 10000km can be fueled in 2 years

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

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my bad I mean drdo says 10000 km icbm can be developed in 2-3 years so they can develope when there is need

 

[Compersion]

Re: What military equipment would YOU like to see in the Indian Armed

demonstrate technical skill also ability. we have to say we can defend and protect our allies and close relations even 10,000 km + away. it will also be good for deterrence and preemption. also it would take-away the paki centric ("eccentric") approach to viewing india even more that is done at the present. it will also match the role that india is being asked by many and where india will take the role of in the comity of nations. also it will prepare for unforeseen developments and circumstances that can be managed

there is also the question of UNSC membership and

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agni V covers all our main foes ie pak and china , there isn't any foe india have except those two
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to protect our ally we have ABM
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india gets very less funds for research and we should be wise to use is. Instead we should concentrate on MIRV
if later there is need drdo says 10000km can be fueled in 2 years

why not both. in a way they are interconnected. also for ICBM 10,000 Km+ we already have done the research and the funds to make it happen would not blow a pocket in the trouser. you mention it would take 2-3 years the questions is why 2-3 years.

we can do it why don't we is the better question.

you also talk about the MIRV the beauty of that is that it would be a force-multiplier and also it would technologically, mechanically and officially give us a modern up-to-date Megaton Nuclear ability and capability (since 3 x Shakti I – A thermonuclear device yielding 45 kt) - and not depend on 1960s technology. The question if 3 x Shakti I will fit and be used in the India MIRV is a question for the advanced experts.

also what happens after the agni 5. any development after that. we cannot stop advancing and stop at agni 5. even stronger and lighter materials and modern manufacturing methods would increase range. like i said the reason ought to be primarily because of UNSC aspirations and defend and protect our allies and close relations even 10,000 km + away. India is not aggressive and has peaceful motives.

ICBM(s) with range of 10,000 KM + please.

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

Re: What military equipment would YOU like to see in the Indian Armed

why not both. in a way they are interconnected. also for ICBM 10,000 Km+ we already have done the research and the funds to make it happen would not blow a pocket in the trouser. you mention it would take 2-3 years the questions is why 2-3 years.

we can do it why don't we is the better question.

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who says we gonna stop after agni v , there are mirv, slbms, cruise missiles, astra, man portable anti tank missile, nirbhay, akash, brahmos ,submarine launched mirv , and a missile doesn't only need money for research but once developed army will have to buy it, money will be spend on buying it ,and money will be spent on its maintenance ,
AND BIGGEST POINT
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ARMY ITSELF SAID NO TO DEVELOP 10000km range ballistic missile

 

[Compersion]

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why not both. in a way they are interconnected. also for ICBM 10,000 Km+ we already have done the research and the funds to make it happen would not blow a pocket in the trouser. you mention it would take 2-3 years the questions is why 2-3 years.

we can do it why don't we is the better question.

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who says we gonna stop after agni v , there are mirv, slbms, cruise missiles, astra, man portable anti tank missile, nirbhay, akash, brahmos ,submarine launched mirv , and a missile doesn't only need money for research but once developed army will have to buy it, money will be spend on buying it ,and money will be spent on its maintenance ,
AND BIGGEST POINT
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ARMY ITSELF SAID NO TO DEVELOP 10000km range ballistic missile

1. Advancement beyond Agni 5. What would that be. Will maximum range be less - will range be more. Will thrust be more - will thrust be less. What about Agni 6 (there is a basic link on that below)

2. Where is the statement that Army said no on 10,000 Km + ICBM and that applies to India now and in the future. If you can share the source that would be great - I am not doubting you but would like to decipher the statement.

Are you saying that India wont develop ICBM 10,000 Km + ICBM primarily because of money and focus on other tasks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geosynchronous_Satellite_Launch_Vehicle_Mk_III

Tell me what is the range of that beauty if we were to put a nuclear bomb on it and shoot it across the earth - although everyone knows we would not.

(please include your answer with money and focus on other tasks POV)

when would the GSLV Mk3 be tested. why is that being done. we have PSLV and GSLV Mk 2 (like we have agni 5). ISRO ought to focus on those tasks and not waste money.

unless they want to do something they have planned in the future. something that would be good for the country. do you know what the payload on GSLV MK3 would be when it would be tested in the near future. Why ...



Some other links:

http://www.defencenews.in/defence-news-internal.aspx?id=9GrY2AwmA4s=

http://www.defencenews.in/defence-news-internal.aspx?id=L6454KeJZfw=

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...m-range-missile-DRDO/articleshow/22633920.cms

Avinash Chander on Monday asserted it would take just about "two-and-a-half years'' to develop a 10,000-km missile if required.

"Range is the least problematic area. We have the full capability to go to any range...it's just a question of additional propellant and larger motors. But, as of now, we don't see the need for a higher range,'' he said.

Why is there a specific mention of two-and-a-half years. we can do it why don't we is the better question. ICBM 10,000 Km + please.

I might say that we have planned for it but why dont we now is the ultimate question.

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

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@Compersion
isnt slbm is advancement beyond ?
isn't mirv an advancement beyond agni v
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instead of ballistic missiles we now should concentrate on ABM bad cruise missile and nuclear capable cruise missiles

 

[Compersion]

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@Compersion
isnt slbm is advancement beyond ?
isn't mirv an advancement beyond agni v
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instead of ballistic missiles we now should concentrate on ABM bad cruise missile and nuclear capable cruise missiles

We can do all of those and still do ICBM 10,000 Km +. The case for GSLV Mk 3 is a good example of what India is doing and "planning" for its role in the future.

The reason and approach to ICBM 10,000 Km + is not only a military question but also overlaps into other spheres and perspectives that advance on India position in the global comity of nations and also primarily because of UNSC aspirations and defend and protect our allies and close relations even 10,000 km + away. India is not aggressive and has peaceful motives.

For ICBM 10,000 Km + we have planned for it but why dont we now is the ultimate question.

why dont we now ...

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

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@Compersion
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why don't we now ( what does this mean?)
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500 million (US$8 million)[5]
ie unit cost of agni v
. Developing a weapon doesn't only need money for research but also we have to purchase them .
for research it will take 1 billion $ approx and lets think a missile will cost 20 millions $
. So if 100 purchased it will cost 3 billion along with research .
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and do you think it necessary to spend 3 billion without any intention of army.
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this money can be used for other defence purchase

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

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@Compersion
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why don't we now ( what does this mean?)
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500 million (US$8 million)[5]
ie unit cost of agni v
. Developing a weapon doesn't only need money for research but also we have to purchase them .
for research it will take 1 billion $ approx and lets think a missile will cost 20 millions $
. So if 100 purchased it will cost 3 billion along with research .
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and do you think it necessary to spend 3 billion without any intention of army.
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this money can be used for other defence purchase

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

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We can do all of those and still do ICBM 10,000 Km +. The case for GSLV Mk 3 is a good example of what India is doing and "planning" for its role in the future.

The reason and approach to ICBM 10,000 Km + is not only a military question but also overlaps into other spheres and perspectives that advance on India position in the global comity of nations and also primarily because of UNSC aspirations and defend and protect our allies and close relations even 10,000 km + away. India is not aggressive and has peaceful motives.

For ICBM 10,000 Km + we have planned for it but why dont we now is the ultimate question.

why dont we now ...

what is meaning of " WHY DON'T WE NOW "

 

[Compersion]

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@Compersion
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why don't we now ( what does this mean?)
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500 million (US$8 million)[5]
ie unit cost of agni v
. Developing a weapon doesn't only need money for research but also we have to purchase them .
for research it will take 1 billion $ approx and lets think a missile will cost 20 millions $
. So if 100 purchased it will cost 3 billion along with research .
.
and do you think it necessary to spend 3 billion without any intention of army.
.
this money can be used for other defence purchase

The reason we are not testing ICBM 10,000 km + is not because we lack of money and also not because we focus on other projects.

We already have the capability and have already crossed the research barrier and developing such a missile.

When you mention figures and statements and arguments provide some links and sources. It would be good for knowledge and understanding something that Might have been overlook.

 

[Compersion]

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what is meaning of " WHY DON'T WE NOW "

It is not because of lack of money and capability that is for sure,

 

[AVERAGE INDIAN]

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LOVE to see something similar in Indian Navy

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

Re: What military equipment would YOU like to see in the Indian Armed

The reason we are not testing ICBM 10,000 km + is not because we lack of money and also not because we focus on other projects.

We already have the capability and have already crossed the research barrier and developing such a missile.

When you mention figures and statements and arguments provide some links and sources. It would be good for knowledge and understanding something that Might have been overlook.

right now we don't have money to purchase light burglary guns, rafael,apache,chinook, and how you say lack of money is not cause

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

Re: What military equipment would YOU like to see in the Indian Armed

my bad I mean artillery gun

 

[Compersion]

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right now we don't have money to purchase light burglary guns, rafael,apache,chinook, and how you say lack of money is not cause

all those have a extensive foreign exchange ambit concerns and calculations and most importantly negotiations and other geo-political considerations. it is not for lack of money. it might be not done to show there is too much exuberance in the political climate when other areas of society ought to be focus. we are also in the midst of elections and handover to lok sabha 16. which means there is also the continuity into the next administration - what will they decide and do and how. such deals need substance over form.

for example what is the defense budget for GOI for year 2012, 2013 and 2014 - are you saying that there is little money. are you hearing the beautiful sound from drdo recently. sure things can be better (i dont deny that)

like i said earlier look at the payload of GSLV MK 3 and ask why is that there. It is planning and step-by-step approach for long-term and good for the country. In a way money is being used wisely.

One can say that is a similar approach for ICBM 10,000 Km + it is not because we lack of money and also not because we focus on other projects.

We already have the capability and have already crossed the research barrier and developing such a missile.

it is germane that the question and why we are not testing ICBM 10,000 Km + is there and discussion being in the sphere of and for the country path in the future. it is a fact and fair that the question is being asked and talked about.

a question that needs a handsome answer.

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

Re: What military equipment would YOU like to see in the Indian Armed

@Compersion
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chinook and apache will cost $billion
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rafale will cost over 20 billion
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m777 will cost nearly 5 billion
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we have to purchase 40 tejas
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later we have fill void created by aging mig 21s and 27s
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we have to invest in aridhaman and 3rd submarine of arihant class
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much more ships like kolkata class destroyer, frigates etc
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on other hand we have to invest heavily on tejas mk2, amca, fgfa.
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also have to invest on nirbhay, astra2, lch, akash2 , brahmos
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and much more
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and guess what our defence budget is $billion and what about infrastructure development
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and there are new 65000 troops deployed along china borders
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their salary, huge money der infrastructure developments like train track, roads
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it will cost 6 billion along with maintenance for 10000 km range missile
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we also have to develop a vehicle to carry that missile taking the price well over 10 billion
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AND TO ADD MORE ARMY CLEARLY SAYS THERE IS NO NEED TO DEVELOP SUCH A MISSILE OF RANGE
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WHO KNOWS WHAT ARMY NEED YOU OR ARMY?

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

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My bad chinook and apache will cost 8 billion $ and our defence budget is just 36 billion