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Panentheism to be precise.^^^ So this is more inline with monism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism
Panentheism to be precise.^^^ So this is more inline with monism.
This is essentially a mistake. We are trying to tie it into an identity or a philosophy. While Vedanta / bramhan is basically "shunya "@IndianHawk @fyodor
While we all agree on the basic premise of vedanta, that brahman is an all pervading reality, unblemished by attributes. However this leaves the query of @gpawar unanswered.
Is the nirguna brahman the creator God? , in the classical sense of theism. After all even the vedantins concede that the brahman allows multiples of phenomenon to exist due to agnana(ignorance). Would this allow to us classify brahman as a theistic and vedanta as theism.
daThis is essentially a mistake. We are trying to tie it into an identity or a philosophy. While Vedanta / bramhan is basically "shunya "
That is no identity no philosophy no doctrine .
As Yagyavalyak rishi said " that what is bramhan can not be known from intellect. It can only be known through experience."
That's why wise sages never tried to define it as that would be stupid. They only expressed certain observations here and there.
Is it theist or atheist or anything else is irrelevant to one who actually wants to know bramhan.
Academically we can debate and reach conclusion but that would be disingenuous as intellect simply is not the tool to describe bramhan and that is all we have in our present state.
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Logical conclusion is that bramhan is self existing. As bramhan will still exist even as all manifestation of bramhan are destroyed.da
Well it might be an academic exercise, but still an essential one. Sunyatavada of great buddhist philosopher Nagarjuna, envisioned realization as a state of emptiness. Is that how vedanta describes realization. Realization, as per upanishad, is realization of duality as ignorance and once this veil of Ignorance is lifted, there is only brahman left. Yet brahman is not emptiness. If it was otherwise they would have no reason call it Atman or brahman. In fact one of the basic premise of the buddhist Sunyatavada is its antagonist to the vedic brahmavada/Atmavada..... So question still remains, is Brahman/Atman a self existing creation.
You are correct and this is the point where buddhist philosophy confounds me. Philosophically speaking, even for ignorance to emerge, it cannot do so from a epistemological vaccum(like the buddhist sunyata). Emptiness cannot beget anything. What are your thoughts on Sankara's Mayavada, which he uses to explain the tendency latent in the Brahman to manifest duality...Logical conclusion is that bramhan is self existing. As bramhan will still exist even as all manifestation of bramhan are destroyed.
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Shankaracharya mayavada is acknowledgement of human stupidity. Maya is dominant because of our ignorance / agyan .You are correct and this is the point where buddhist philosophy confounds me. Philosophically speaking, even for ignorance to emerge, it cannot do so from a epistemological vaccum(like the buddhist sunyata). Emptiness cannot beget anything. What are your thoughts on Sankara's Mayavada, which he uses to explain the tendency latent in the Brahman to manifest duality...
@IndianHawkShankaracharya mayavada is acknowledgement of human stupidity. Maya is dominant because of our ignorance / agyan .
Ignorance is rooted in being limited by false identities ( national , philosophical , religious , gender all are Identity coming from outside).
That is why Shankar wrote nirvana shatakam.
And says I'm nothing but shiva. Shiva has no identity and hence no philosophy only reality.
As j Krishnamurti says accept nothing from outside find light within your own self.
That is same to what Buddha said be a light to your own self. And same is Shankaracharyas gyaan which comes from within.
Shunyata is not exactly zero but a state of rejecting everything outside of oneself so that there is no identity , no philosophy and then one is established into one's original being. That being is intelligent and is enlightened.
That is the light within which dispels all darkness.
Atleast that is what the theory of it is.
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Manifestation itself might not be agyan . Agyan is the division we see in this world. That is why Krishna says" samatvam yoga uchayate."@IndianHawk
Philosophically speaking Advaita attributes Agyana on the 'Brahman'. Since you and I exist due to the Agyana manifesting in the Brahman. The key question is whether Agyana is an inherent, but latent, attribute of the Brahman. Since Advaita claims Brahman is Nirguna (without attribute) then we have assume Brahman gives rise to Agyana, thus making it a creative force.
Buddhist philosopher Nagarjuna does seem to imply sunyata as emptiness, because you must understand that this is nothing but expanding on Buddha's espousing of the 'Anatavada'. 'Anata' should be read as without Atma, as in the upanishadic Atman. Since Atman is considered by upanishad to be the only all pervading reality, Anata/sunyata should be considered as emptiness.
जय बजरंगबली। Pranam (I cannot find a graphic with folded hands in DFI software)^^ I just gave u a reason why dowry started&still practiced if u don't want to agree leave it.
1.Puja/worship doesn't mean it must be done to ONE GOD. In Hindu custom 'puja' is just recognition/respect towards non/living.
Ex:These are not god's.
IF u think/see/know Hanuman u imagine a picture like this in most temples (in south don't know about north)... Muscular,loyal,hard working&etc.Devotee don't know/cant express it but sub-consciously they all aware of this idol characteristics.
Of course manifestation is not 'Agyan' (ignorance), manifestation is the result of "Brahman" experiencing the 'Agyan'. Manifestation and divisions are the same, they are the result of Ignorance rising in the Brahman. According to Advaitins, duality /manifestations of the otherwise singular Brahman is unreal and what is unreal cannot go away (because it really doesn't exist). What needs to go away, according to Advaita, is ignorance. Since it's ignorance that causes singular to become duality, the absence of ignorance automatically ceases duality.Manifestation itself might not be agyan . Agyan is the division we see in this world. That is why Krishna says" samatvam yoga uchayate."
Being established in equinomity is yoga.
Once the division is gone agyan is gone but we might still exist.
Yogis have known to hold and leave physical body at will.
Buddhist shunyata may be an stage of complete dissolution. So nothing individual exists anymore. But what it could mean for somebody still alive? J Krishnamurti says "energy is emptiness." In that sense emptiness is having no agenda , no conflict and such a man (a yogi ) has then tremendous energy which he uses for selfless action ( what Krishna called for in Gita).
Atman and bramhan are one and same and logically shunyata must be the same.
Shankaracharya proclaimed we are bramhan / aatman and so we are emptiness ourselves.
But we don't realise it because of agyan .
Now why are we agyani or why do we believe in false identity is a mystery to me .
Sadhguru says the problem is that we believe when we don't know? So we must stop believing everything unless it a living real truth for us.
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