Vedic Culture & Sanatan Dharma discussions.

[hawwk]

Let's have a peaceful thread discussing about Vedic Culture and Sanatan Dharma.

• Keep the discussions civil
• No abusing please (even for other religions)
• No NSFW and NSFL
• Will add more points later.

 

[nWo 4 Life]

 

[hawwk]

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Well stated,
Ram neeti is idealism to bring dharma and Krishna neeti is the times when you have to break to ideals to sustain dharma"
There's also the difference in times -
Ram was in Treta yug, when dharma was on 3 legs
According to some texts Brahma is in 51st year and 1st day as we know. (Brahma lives for 100 years)
1 day of Brahma is 8.64 billion earth years (or ~994 mahayugus)
JUST IMAGINE, THERE WERE COUNTLESS RAMS, KRISHNAS, KALKI EVEN BEFORE SATYUG!!

 

[nWo 4 Life]

In the Valmiki Ramayana, Sundara-Kanda (4.27), it explains that when Hanuman first arrived in Lanka he sees two four-tusked elephants guarding the palace of Ravana.

So Ramayana is the only ancient text proof of Gomphotheres. If Gomphotheres was 1.6 million years old, how old is Ramayana?

 

[TakAman]

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In the Valmiki Ramayana, Sundara-Kanda (4.27), it explains that when Hanuman first arrived in Lanka he sees two four-tusked elephants guarding the palace of Ravana.

So Ramayana is the only ancient text proof of Gomphotheres. If Gomphotheres was 1.6 million years old, how old is Ramayana?

Definitely early human stone age civilization is regarded to be as old as 3.3 million years old.
Even in India, stone age stones were found as old as 1.5 million years old:

‘Human presence in India dates back to 1.5 million years’

www.thehindu.com

Million-year-old tools found near Chennai - India's prehistory pushed back

Read more below

www.telegraphindia.com

And for Africa, there is evidence of old tools present as old as 3.3 million years.


However, the written form of Ramayana is less than 10,000 years old and it was conveyed verbally prior to that. Possibly using many other forms of encrypted ways we are unaware of (en-carving on temple stones, etc.)

Best way to estimate how old is Ramayana is to look at archeological evidence of Ram Setu:

Ram Setu 18,400 years old: Study

www.deccanchronicle.com

Which says 18,500 years old. Also supported by the fact that it, along with Mahabharata mentions a river called Saraswati which is no longer present in India and dried up 8,000 years back.

 

[nWo 4 Life]

Definitely early human stone age civilization is regarded to be as old as 3.3 million years old.
Even in India, stone age stones were found as old as 1.5 million years old:

‘Human presence in India dates back to 1.5 million years’

www.thehindu.com

Million-year-old tools found near Chennai - India's prehistory pushed back

Read more below

www.telegraphindia.com

And for Africa, there is evidence of old tools present as old as 3.3 million years.


However, the written form of Ramayana is less than 10,000 years old and it was conveyed verbally prior to that. Possibly using many other forms of encrypted ways we are unaware of (en-carving on temple stones, etc.)

Best way to estimate how old is Ramayana is to look at archeological evidence of Ram Setu:

Ram Setu 18,400 years old: Study

www.deccanchronicle.com

Which says 18,500 years old. Also supported by the fact that it, along with Mahabharata mentions a river called Saraswati which is no longer present in India and dried up 8,000 years back.

Thank you for the information.

 

[LondonParisTokyo]

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Right now we need more of a mixture than either/or I think.

 

[sydsnyper]

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In the Valmiki Ramayana, Sundara-Kanda (4.27), it explains that when Hanuman first arrived in Lanka he sees two four-tusked elephants guarding the palace of Ravana.

So Ramayana is the only ancient text proof of Gomphotheres. If Gomphotheres was 1.6 million years old, how old is Ramayana?

Without dismissing your claim outright, is it not more logically plausible that it was merely conjecture that Ramayana mentions a fantastical beast that turns out to be a pre-historic creature.

 

[nWo 4 Life]

Without dismissing your claim outright, is it not more logically plausible that it was merely conjecture that Ramayana mentions a fantastical beast that turns out to be a pre-historic creature.

Sure, I could accept that it's all just a massive coincidence except that is not the only valid claim that the Ramayana makes.

 

[Suryavanshi]

How well does Hindu Creation theory hold out with Evolution theory?

According to all religious text god created man in image of himself, this mainly asserted by abrahmic religion. Modern Evolution theory States that we developed from fish to money's to Human.

 

[Suryavanshi]

 

[sydsnyper]

How well does Hindu Creation theory hold out with Evolution theory?

According to all religious text god created man in image of himself, this mainly asserted by abrahmic religion. Modern Evolution theory States that we developed from fish to money's to Human.

The Hiranyagarbha Sukta.. (Dhapofied from wikipedia). I do not see any blatant conflict between vedic cosmology (as I have read, and I know ISKON's brand of vedas are might not agree with it) and modern theories of creation. Likewise, I do not see any outright conflict with evolution... they may not mention evolution, because the Vedas would have been conceived after all those pre cro-magnon stages of evolution completed.

1. The golden embryo evolved in the beginning. Born the lord of what came to be, he alone existed.

He supports the earth and the heaven here— – Who is the god to whom we should do homage with our oblation?

2. Who is the giver of breath, the giver of strength; whose command all honor, whose command the gods honor;

whose shadow is immortality, whose shadow is death— – Who is the god to whom we should do homage with our oblation?

3. Who became king of the breathing, blinking, moving world—just he alone by his greatness;

who is lord of the two-footed and four-footed creatures here— – Who is the god to whom we should do homage with our oblation?

4. Whose are these snow-covered mountains [=the Himalayas] in their greatness; whose is the sea together with the world-stream, they say;

whose are these directions, whose (their) two arms [=the zenith and nadir?]— – Who is the god to whom we should do homage with our oblation?

5. By whom the mighty heaven and earth were made firm; by whom the sun was steadied, by whom the firmament;

who was the one measuring out the airy realm in the midspace— – Who is the god to whom we should do homage with our oblation?

6. Toward whom the two battle lines [=heaven and earth] looked, steadied with his help, though trembling in mind,

(those) upon which the risen sun radiates. – Who is the god to whom we should do homage with our oblation?

7. When the lofty waters came, receiving everything as an embryo and giving birth to the fire,

then the life of the gods evolved alone— – Who is the god to whom we should do homage with our oblation?

8. Who by his greatness surveyed the waters receiving (ritual) skill (as an embryo) and giving birth to the sacrifice;

who, the god over gods, alone existed. – Who is the god to whom we should do homage with our oblation?

9. Let him not do us harm—he who is the progenitor of earth or who, with foundations that are real, engendered heaven,

and who engendered the gleaming, lofty waters. – Who is the god to whom we should do homage with our oblation?

10. O Prajāpati! No one other than you has encompassed all these things that have been born.

Let what we desire as we make oblation to you be ours. We would be lords of riches.

 

[hawwk]

The Hiranyagarbha Sukta.. (Dhapofied from wikipedia). I do not see any blatant conflict between vedic cosmology (as I have read, and I know ISKON's brand of vedas are might not agree with it) and modern theories of creation. Likewise, I do not see any outright conflict with evolution... they may not mention evolution, because the Vedas would have been conceived after all those pre cro-magnon stages of evolution completed.

In pure vaishnavism (not to be confused with iskon), vishnu/shiv/mahavishnu/sadashiv (parabrahman) takes 3 form - Karnodakshyahi Vishnu, Garbodakshyahi vishnu, Kshrioshakshyahi vishnu.

Karnodakshyahi vishnu creates all universe through his pores of the body and enters in each of them as Garbodakshyahi Vishnu.

Garbodakshyahi vishnu creates prajapati (brahma) present name is shatanand.
It's also said that next brahma would be hanuman(shiv) who will give up his rudra form and take up this. Still debatable....
It's the 7th birth of brahma from his navel. Previous birth of brahma were from narayan's eyes, ears, voice etc..etc...

Narayan & Shiv are eternal. Not brahma. Brahma is a position... it's because brahma has created the universe, he should also the same cycle of life and death, yep time in brahmalok is highly dilated.