USA China Cold War

[Blood+]

Nothing happens. Amreeka will move their tech out of Taiwan and Taiwan becomes another SAR of China. Amreeka is not going to fight for Taiwan. The only country they will possibly fight for is Australia and to some extent the Philippines. The US has already voiced its support for One China policy. Taiwan would be foolish to rely on Amreeka support. Back then when every Asian country was poor and devastated after colonial rule, WW2 etc Chinese went mad after Korean War and annexed Tibet. They took land when things were hot. What did we do? We did Panchsheel and Hindi-chini bhai bhai as the partition disaster meant Hindus became weak and no longer willing to fight. We also had a weak, pacifist clown for an PM. Other than a few Indian Army regiments, the rest were just poorly equipped foot soldiers. Without these regiments, we would have lost even more territory. That is what a mad enemy can do to regiments that care more about dress and eating manners than getting aggressive and fighting. Anyways past is past. What are we doing now?

Nah.

 

[fooLIam]

Nothing happens. Amreeka will move their tech out of Taiwan and Taiwan becomes another SAR of China. Amreeka is not going to fight for Taiwan. The only country they will possibly fight for is Australia and to some extent the Philippines. The US has already voiced its support for One China policy. Taiwan would be foolish to rely on Amreeka support. Back then when every Asian country was poor and devastated after colonial rule, WW2 etc Chinese went mad after Korean War and annexed Tibet. They took land when things were hot. What did we do? We did Panchsheel and Hindi-chini bhai bhai as the partition disaster meant Hindus became weak and no longer willing to fight. We also had a weak, pacifist clown for an PM. Other than a few Indian Army regiments, the rest were just poorly equipped foot soldiers. Without these regiments, we would have lost even more territory. That is what a mad enemy can do to regiments that care more about dress and eating manners than getting aggressive and fighting. Anyways past is past. What are we doing now?

Don’t know if USA is willing to go war over Taiwan but if it falls than so is 1st island chain and PLAN will have easy access to pacific. A scenario that puts chills in America.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Don’t know if USA is willing to go war over Taiwan but if it falls than so is 1st island chain and PLAN will have easy access to pacific. A scenario that puts chills in America.

Until Guam and Hawaii are there, Amreeka doesn’t care about PLAN. Not to mention to even get out to Pacific, PLAN has to cross Japanese waters. Japan’s has massively increased its defense budget and arming itself. Amree unkil will deter through Japan and not Taiwan. Taiwan is a lost cause. Like HK they have no option but to revert to mainland China. And just like HK, the CCP will eliminate all democrazy, protests etc. in Taiwan. Taiwan rich people will move to white nations and Singapore etc. The rest will be strictly watched using tech like in HK. End of story.

 

[fooLIam]

Until Guam and Hawaii are there, Amreeka doesn’t care about PLAN. Not to mention to even get out to Pacific, PLAN has to cross Japanese waters. Japan’s has massively increased its defense budget and arming itself. Amree unkil will deter through Japan and not Taiwan. Taiwan is a lost cause. Like HK they have no option but to revert to mainland China. And just like HK, the CCP will eliminate all democrazy, protests etc. in Taiwan. Taiwan rich people will move to white nations and Singapore etc. The rest will be strictly watched using tech like in HK. End of story.

That’s the thing with American security establishment it’s hyper proactive ,(Indian establishment can learn good lesson from them)they are not even letting PLAN having breathing space till Taiwan and till Japan it’s stretching.forget about Hawaii.

 

[Master Chief]

If Taiwan falls than its over for all the countries in the '1st Island Chain' and Japan is a part of it.

Japan is a treaty ally of US.

Yes.. Chinese capture of Taiwan will allow China to dominate Japan's Sea lines of communication making Japan China's Bitch

 

[ezsasa]

CCP adds another proxy (news channel) in North America
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CNA launches in North America as part of international expansion

 

[Blademaster]

Nah.

US is not going to abandon Taiwan without a fight. US is willing to incur significant casualties to protect Taiwan because once that falls it’s a domino effect and will spell end of US superpower status. US doesn’t want that to happen.

 

[Blood+]

US is not going to abandon Taiwan without a fight. US is willing to incur significant casualties to protect Taiwan because once that falls it’s a domino effect and will spell end of US superpower status. US doesn’t want that to happen.

I know.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Don’t know if USA is willing to go war over Taiwan but if it falls than so is 1st island chain and PLAN will have easy access to pacific. A scenario that puts chills in America.

If the US is willing to go to war with china, they would not be harping on One China policy. They would have abandoned it and stationed a base right in Taiwan. Actions speak louder than words. No i dont think Amreeka will fight for Taiwan. They will expect Japan, S Korea, Australia, India, Philippines to fight for Taiwan.

 

[Super Flanker]

Some say that China won't invade Taiwan, these are the same people who said that Russia wouldn't invade Ukraine even after Russia began massing it's troops on its border with Ukraine several months before the war. Taking over Taiwan has always been on the wishlist of the CCP and sooner or later, they will go ahead and invade Taiwan.

I think China will employ a similar strategy In Taiwan to What Russia did in Ukraine. The initial attack will be a shock and awe campaign consisting of a barrage of missile strikes across Taiwan. With this S&A campaign, CCP would want to.
1. Disable Taiwanese airfields such as Ching Chuan Kang Air Base. In such a scenario, Taiwan may be forced to use civillian roads and highways to operate their aircraft from.
2. Take out every military base/ammunition depot/infrastructure such as power grids etc because if you disable the critical structures, you essentially have won already.
3. In a war between China and Taiwan, Taiwan will lose badly unless backed up by intelligence, and Weopons aid but the difference here between Ukraine and Taiwan is that Ukraine shares a land border with multiple countries whereas Taiwan is an island less than 200 kms away from the Chinese mainland. Any form of aid will have to be transported to ROC via water or air but both the ways may be impossible because the CCP may surround the island and stop any ship or aircraft bringing aid to Taiwan.
4. The only way Taiwan will survive this is if the US gets directly involved which I don't think the US will do so any time soon.

But rest assured, a Taiwan type-misadventure won't work out against a country like India.

 

[no smoking]

US is not going to abandon Taiwan without a fight. US is willing to incur significant casualties to protect Taiwan because once that falls it’s a domino effect and will spell end of US superpower status. US doesn’t want that to happen.

US is going to fight for Taiwan even with significant casualties only if she believes that she can win eventually.
Abandoning Taiwan without a fight will be diplomatic crisis for US' role in Asia, which can be managed, but it won't end US' dominance position immediately.
But if US fight and lose the war, it will be a disaster and accelerate US decline in this part of world. Military protection is the No.1 thing Asian countries expects from her.
And contrast to what you think, even losing Asia won't spell the end of US superpower status. The worst case is she will be one of several superpowers after all no one can come to challenge her position in America continent by crossing the 2 big oceans.

 

[Blademaster]

US is going to fight for Taiwan even with significant casualties only if she believes that she can win eventually.
Abandoning Taiwan without a fight will be diplomatic crisis for US' role in Asia, which can be managed, but it won't end US' dominance position immediately.
But if US fight and lose the war, it will be a disaster and accelerate US decline in this part of world. Military protection is the No.1 thing Asian countries expects from her.
And contrast to what you think, even losing Asia won't spell the end of US superpower status. The worst case is she will be one of several superpowers after all no one can come to challenge her position in America continent by crossing the 2 big oceans.

good try at psyops against US but no.

 

[ezsasa]

Vietnam becomes the latest country to give Russian President Vladimir Putin a special welcome.

 

[Azaad]

good try at psyops against US but no.

It's no psyops, it's a fact. If the US doesn't honour its treaty obligations, it's not a super power but a paper tiger. Nobody in Asia would show any respect for it then. And with Asia gone it becomes an Atlantic power.

China believes it can take on the US, win & conquer Taiwan. It fails to take into consideration the massive alliance network the US has built up which plays no small part in sustaining its hegemony. For when China crosses the Straits of Formosa to take Taiwan, it'd end up confronting the navies & air forces of not just the US but Japan, Australia, the UK & Philippines at the very least apart from their expeditionary forces, rocket forces, ISR capabilities, cyber warfare etc.

Good luck to the Chinese with that.

From the Indian perspective we want both powers to cancel each other out like Germany did the existing super powers of the day - the UK & France while extinguishing itself.