Turkish defense industry news updates

[Vamsi]

There is no reason to be overly-optimistic or overly-pessimistic. We have no operational turbofan engine yet. But we've been producing, assembling, repairing, maintaining many critical components of western turbofan programs. The closest engine to TF35000 we had our hands on is F110. TEI's role in the manufacturing;

These are the parts of F110 that are produced by TEI(many parts of AB)

Furthermore, TF6000 has an afterburner version called TF10000. TF10000 was designed in parallel and will be test fired in 2024. The progress of those platforms will tell us about our level and if we're up for the task or not.

U might be manufacturing 100s of components,but definitely hot section is not one of them, mastering it, is the key, & if you are saying that your engine will be 5th gen engine, then it must have a TET> 1950K, & it's not that easy, also the performance of AB section depends on the design of the entire engine,just because you manufacture F110s AB doesn't mean TF35K's AB will also work same.

 

[rodeo]

U might be manufacturing 100s of components,but definitely hot section is not one of them, mastering it, is the key, & if you are saying that your engine will be 5th gen engine, then it must have a TET> 1950K, & it's not that easy, also the performance of AB section depends on the design of the entire engine,just because you manufacture F110s AB doesn't mean TF35K's AB will also work same.

Yes, we are very much aware of that. The design of AB is experienced with TF10000 program. Regarding the hot section of the engine and TET over 1950K, current TS1400 engines and TF6000 is using 3rd gen SCBs. R&D continuing on 4th gen SCBs and CMCs. To complement these, two-layer TBCs and advanced cooling methods are being developed. How will these developments pan out? Only time will tell.

The timeline of the 5th gen engine development might come absurd to you. And you'd be right. This was voiced by TEI's CEO many times before(and on his latest interview). But the gravity of the situation is apparent for both the engineers and the researchers who work day&night including weekends to realize these projects as soon as possible.

 

[Gyyan]

@rodeo did turkiye get an order from Nigeria???

 

[jai jaganath]

Yes, we are very much aware of that. The design of AB is experienced with TF10000 program. Regarding the hot section of the engine and TET over 1950K, current TS1400 engines and TF6000 is using 3rd gen SCBs. R&D continuing on 4th gen SCBs and CMCs. To complement these, two-layer TBCs and advanced cooling methods are being developed. How will these developments pan out? Only time will tell.

The timeline of the 5th gen engine development might come absurd to you. And you'd be right. This was voiced by TEI's CEO many times before(and on his latest interview). But the gravity of the situation is apparent for both the engineers and the researchers who work day&night including weekends to realize these projects as soon as possible.

This is what happens when a nation has goals to achieve in order to establish itself into a powerful country
But still I am bit disagreed with timeline but again atleast there is a try and as u said they are working damn hard then it's good but complexity and experience required is very high anyway all the best

 

[rodeo]

@rodeo did turkiye get an order from Nigeria???

yes. we sold 6 T129 to Nigeria a few months ago.

 

[rodeo]

HÜRJET 2nd flight(first flight was seven days ago)

 

[TheBoz]

 

[TheBoz]

Süper Şimşek (Super Lightning) cruise missile with up to 700 km range.

 

[TFX]

@rodeo did turkiye get an order from Nigeria???

 

[Gyyan]

Süper Şimşek (Super Lightning) cruise missile with up to 700 km range.
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Mockup?
Looks like a stealth drone than a cruise missile.
What's the weight and which platform will carry it?

 

[rodeo]

Mockup?
Looks like a stealth drone than a cruise missile.
What's the weight and which platform will carry it?

At first it will be used as a target drone. It'll fly in two weeks. The weight is 200kg and it can carry 35kg of warhead, speed is 08-0.9 mach. It can be used in 11 different roles. Some of these are EW, ES, kamikaze, swarm, loyal wingman for both ANKA-III and TFX KAAN.

 

[Cheran]

 

[rodeo]

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The range is not true, imo. The ATGMs in the image(L-UMTAS) can already engage targets from 16km. This was reported by the defense secretary two months ago. L-UMTAS's diameter is 160mm, length 1.8m, weight is 37.5kg. UMTAS-GM will likely to compete with Spike-NLOS.

 

[Shuturmurg]

Turkish heavy attack helicopter (in same category as apache) :

Our First Clear Look At Turkey’s New T929 Heavy Attack Helicopter

This is our first complete look at Turkey’s new attack helicopter, which recently began engine tests ahead of its first flight.

www.thedrive.com

 

[Shuturmurg]

Turkish heavy attack helicopter (in same category as apache) :

Our First Clear Look At Turkey’s New T929 Heavy Attack Helicopter

This is our first complete look at Turkey’s new attack helicopter, which recently began engine tests ahead of its first flight.

www.thedrive.com

My bad, although Turkey call it heavy attack, its max takeoff weight is less than half of apache. Not sure what is the criteria for categorizing a helicopter as heavy attack.

 

[rodeo]

My bad, although Turkey call it heavy attack, its max takeoff weight is less than half of apache. Not sure what is the criteria for categorizing a helicopter as heavy attack.

It's heavier than Apache. It has 11.5 ton MTOW.

 

[Shuturmurg]

It's heavier than Apache. It has 11.5 ton MTOW.

NVM, mixed up lbs and kgs. MTOW are similar according to wikipedia.
10433 kg for Apache and 10000 kg for T929.

 

[rodeo]

NVM, mixed up lbs and kgs. MTOW are similar according to wikipedia.
10433 kg for Apache and 10000 kg for T929.

MTOW figures are a bit fluid at this point. 10 tons figure is not up to date, iirc.

 

[Nazaria e Bakistan]

Cross posting from Strategic Front forum...
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I am not sure about rest of Turkish aerospace industry but Bayraktar is indeed among the most innovative company in aerospace. I was wrong about Turkey and Bayraktar, they are indeed a real deal and a mortal danger to India.

I am really really really scared of Kizillelma drone. It can do with airwarfare the same thing TB2 did with tank warfare. It can perhaps make a manned airforce extinct atleast for 4th gen and older aircrafts.

It is :

1. Cheap! No expensive or exotic powerplant! They bypassed the whole engine development headache by licensing engine from ukraine. These engine first flew in 60s. So no new tech. The manufacturing is in Instambul, so no disruption. This engine, AI-55 or something is really cheap.

2. Medium sized platform. The platform is medium sized and not small like loyal wingman program or HAL CATS. This means it has more capacity to carry weapons like long range air to air missiles. HAL CATS warrior is SMALL and actually does not compares with it. Its role is different.

3. Carrier enabled with no catapult required. Can be deployed very very VERY fast from a flat top.

4. Stealth. Stealth config with internal bays plus medium size = harder to detect and yet harder to intercept. Not to mention, since its pilot less, it can do manuvers which exceed human endurance for accelaration limit.15g manoeuvres to evade a SAM? bring it on!

5. Will be massively mass produced. Economy of scales.

6. Ditchable. More risky missions can be taken. More rewards.

Think about it, this thing will cost PAF 5-10 million dollars a piece + weapons cost. 1 billion dollar will buy 100 of these babies. 10 billion dollar, 1000. 10 billion dollars are enough to buy enough of these that entire airforces can be completely destroyed. A 400 strong "swarm" of the drones will make your airspace totally blocked. No aircraft and take off or land.

I will not be surprised if an aircraft carrier can deploy 100s of these.

It also removes the most irreplaceable part of the airforce : pilots. Any major power is limited in airforce by pilots. This thing ... can remove that limit.

If PAF gets 200-300 of these, its bye bye IAF. Each will carry two 100+ KM range BVR. Your planes will not be able to detect them at a longer range because of stealth and small sized. It can fire its weapon much nearer to you. PAF will push its advantage by taking riskier missions. A volley of IR + BVR missile from a distance of 60 KM is enough to take out ANY fighter in IAF. Nothing can beat such a combo. Whats more, if later they put a jammer in it, it will be able to approach as close as 30-40 KM before firing its dead missiles.

 

[Shuturmurg]

Cross posting from Strategic Front forum...
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I am not sure about rest of Turkish aerospace industry but Bayraktar is indeed among the most innovative company in aerospace. I was wrong about Turkey and Bayraktar, they are indeed a real deal and a mortal danger to India.

I am really really really scared of Kizillelma drone. It can do with airwarfare the same thing TB2 did with tank warfare. It can perhaps make a manned airforce extinct atleast for 4th gen and older aircrafts.

It is :

1. Cheap! No expensive or exotic powerplant! They bypassed the whole engine development headache by licensing engine from ukraine. These engine first flew in 60s. So no new tech. The manufacturing is in Instambul, so no disruption. This engine, AI-55 or something is really cheap.

2. Medium sized platform. The platform is medium sized and not small like loyal wingman program or HAL CATS. This means it has more capacity to carry weapons like long range air to air missiles. HAL CATS warrior is SMALL and actually does not compares with it. Its role is different.

3. Carrier enabled with no catapult required. Can be deployed very very VERY fast from a flat top.

4. Stealth. Stealth config with internal bays plus medium size = harder to detect and yet harder to intercept. Not to mention, since its pilot less, it can do manuvers which exceed human endurance for accelaration limit.15g manoeuvres to evade a SAM? bring it on!

5. Will be massively mass produced. Economy of scales.

6. Ditchable. More risky missions can be taken. More rewards.

Think about it, this thing will cost PAF 5-10 million dollars a piece + weapons cost. 1 billion dollar will buy 100 of these babies. 10 billion dollar, 1000. 10 billion dollars are enough to buy enough of these that entire airforces can be completely destroyed. A 400 strong "swarm" of the drones will make your airspace totally blocked. No aircraft and take off or land.

I will not be surprised if an aircraft carrier can deploy 100s of these.

It also removes the most irreplaceable part of the airforce : pilots. Any major power is limited in airforce by pilots. This thing ... can remove that limit.

If PAF gets 200-300 of these, its bye bye IAF. Each will carry two 100+ KM range BVR. Your planes will not be able to detect them at a longer range because of stealth and small sized. It can fire its weapon much nearer to you. PAF will push its advantage by taking riskier missions. A volley of IR + BVR missile from a distance of 60 KM is enough to take out ANY fighter in IAF. Nothing can beat such a combo. Whats more, if later they put a jammer in it, it will be able to approach as close as 30-40 KM before firing its dead missiles.

Where did you get the price tag ? Only article I found was. this :

First flight for the future Turkish stealth combat drone Kizilelma

Turkey continues to develop its drones, with the first flight of a jet-powered fighter aircraft expected to partially offset the country's ban on F-35 purchases.

aircosmosinternational.com

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It says it will cost 35 million USD.

As far as launching from ship without catapult goes, the catch there is payload.

AFAIK its a human controlled drone. All such drones are highly susceptible to GPS spoofing and signal jamming.