TEDBF or ORCA Updates

[Blademaster]

IAF already deployed Tejas at LoC. Ordered another 83 and plans to order even more but What ever gets you to sleep at night.

By deploying it on the borders and at LOC, they believe that it is combat worthy of taking on PAF and PLAAF. Goes to show IAF's confidence in this plane.

 

[NutCracker]

Sir I know about this but these Tejas are just for showcase Tejas mk 2 is in development which is the jet intend to be used as fighter jet in iaf mk 1 is not satisfied iaf yet

IAF has realised their diminishing sqdr strength, and that they need something for numerical advantage over Pakistan/western front. And Mk1 fillls that role perfectly.

 

[Gyyan]

Source: the hindu

 

[Super falcon]

IAF has realised their diminishing sqdr strength, and that they need something for numerical advantage over Pakistan/western front. And Mk1 fillls that role perfectly.

Yes but do HAL is not capable to develop TEBF AMCA Tejas lift HLFT is just a dream when Hal took 30 yrs to develop Tejas I think Hal needs more 50 yrs to get them all together

 

[Flying Dagger]

Yes but do HAL is not capable to develop TEBF AMCA Tejas lift HLFT is just a dream when Hal took 30 yrs to develop Tejas I think Hal needs more 50 yrs to get them all together

They have already upgraded the Tejas Mk1a and the same assembly lines will be used for mk2 later. So its pretty sorted there.

Now we have AMCA and Teddy development in hand which isn't under HAL. They will be involved in only production.



HAL is an umbrella under which multiple companies and departments are working for these projects.

We have ADA : responsible for development of Tejas and other

Coming to Teddy i.e Naval Fighter jet it has everything available in hand with technology developed for AMCA going in there. Facility for testing etc are already built and available.

 

[NutCracker]

Yes but do HAL is not capable to develop TEBF AMCA Tejas lift HLFT is just a dream when Hal took 30 yrs to develop Tejas I think Hal needs more 50 yrs to get them all together

Better keep quiet if you don't know about the topic. First learn which dept holds which responsibility.

 

[Gyyan]

Yes but do HAL is not capable to develop TEBF AMCA Tejas lift HLFT is just a dream when Hal took 30 yrs to develop Tejas I think Hal needs more 50 yrs to get them all together

I don't blame you for not understanding difference between design development and production.
For your country all mean the same thing (i.e. painting it green)

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Yes but do HAL is not capable to develop TEBF AMCA Tejas lift HLFT is just a dream when Hal took 30 yrs to develop Tejas I think Hal needs more 50 yrs to get them all together

Initial building block takes time. It took India 20 years to make a short range ballistic missiles but delivered an ICBM in 3 years. It took 10-12 years to make first SLV but PSLV was there in 4 years.
Metallurgical limitations and engineering hurdles are always there if you are researching an independent project. Sub components once realised, keep getting used in bigger projects.

Most important thereafter, you need an "economy" to mass produce fighter sustainable (companies and vendors who make parts) so that required production rates can be met. So no, all other projects together won't exceed 20 years to get inducted and matured.

I don't blame you for not understanding difference between design development and production.
For your country all mean the same thing (i.e. painting it green)

Pak simply produces nothing and is simply decades behind even economies of its own size in industry. They boast of joint license production of a foreign plane with literally zero Pakistani parts, what India used to in 1960s.

Don't mind that, Pak's economic complexity index ranks below 100. Pak is at levels of Bangladesh and Sri Lanka essentially in terms of tech and industry, in league of Syria and Afghanistan when comes to economy.

 

[Arpuster]

Yes but do HAL is not capable to develop TEBF AMCA Tejas lift HLFT is just a dream when Hal took 30 yrs to develop Tejas I think Hal needs more 50 yrs to get them all together

In 50 years PAC is not able to design and produce a single aircraft on its own so, why PAF keeps starting fantasy projects like project Azam when they just have to assemble/purchase Chinese aircrafts???

 

[jai jaganath]

Yes but do HAL is not capable to develop TEBF AMCA Tejas lift HLFT is just a dream when Hal took 30 yrs to develop Tejas I think Hal needs more 50 yrs to get them all together

Fool or what these projects are of ada not hal except hlft-42
Go and learn before become dephence anal-y-shit

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Fool or what these projects are of ada not hal except hlft-42
Go and learn before become dephence anal-y-shit

ADA is design agency, HAL is manufacturing.

 

[jai jaganath]

ADA is design agency, HAL is manufacturing.

Exactly
But hlft-42 doesn't belong to ada
It's hal project design cum manufacturing
Other projects belong ho ada

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Exactly
But hlft-42 doesn't belong to ada
It's hal project design cum manufacturing
Other projects belong ho ada

HLFT-42 is a HAL initiative and is an exception.
Other projects aren't of ADA alone as engineering and manufacturing part belongs to HAL with enough R&D. Whatever happens with both in confidence and HAL is as responsible as ADA every project. ADA and DRDO won't independently deliver anything.

 

[jai jaganath]

HLFT-42 is a HAL initiative and is an exception.
Other projects aren't of ADA alone as engineering and manufacturing part belongs to HAL with enough R&D. Whatever happens with both in confidence and HAL is as responsible as ADA every project. ADA and DRDO won't independently deliver anything.

These designing works like pdr cdr and tech development is done by ada only prototype and manufacturing is done by hal
Yeah hal is involved in ada projects but the strees and responsibility majority lies on ada

 

[Super falcon]

Fool or what these projects are of ada not hal except hlft-42
Go and learn before become dephence anal-y-shit

Ohio i think you go and check HAL profile

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Yeah hal is involved in ada projects but the strees and responsibility majority lies on ada

No, ADA is designing agency and bears that load only. The real game begins after ADA is done.

Ohio i think you go and check HAL profile

Better than having no real profile.

 

[NutCracker]

No, ADA is designing agency and bears that load only. The real game begins after ADA is done.

Yes, but upto roll out and first flight of prototypes, wouldn't this project be ADA's responsibility.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Yes, but upto roll out and first flight of prototypes, wouldn't this project be ADA's responsibility.

Off course ADA is design and agency and follows up aircraft till final configuration which is essentially similar to a project management team. Given that manufacturing doesn't come on their scope, the assumption of their importance over HAL is null & void.

They anyway realise their own work within time frame, engineering and manufacturing delays are India's bottleneck where HAL lies.

 

[jai jaganath]

Ohio i think you go and check HAL profile

Gadhe gadhe rahe te hai
Prototyping is done by hal under advisory of ada
Be it tejas mk1 mk1a mk2 amca tedbf all belonged to ada only Prototyping and post order manufacturing belongs to hal
Padhai likha karun website dekh kar dephence anal-y-shit nahi bante

 

[Super falcon]

Gadhe gadhe rahe te hai
Prototyping is done by hal under advisory of ada
Be it tejas mk1 mk1a mk2 amca tedbf all belonged to ada only Prototyping and post order manufacturing belongs to hal
Padhai likha karun website dekh kar dephence anal-y-shit nahi bante

Abay lulh ka ya Bata ada jab khud Kuch kar hi nahi Raha HAL design bana Raha ha tü Manufacturing. Bhi hal hi karega na Boeing Koi chez Design karta ha USAF ka lia aur delay karta ha tü Boeing chutiya banega na HAL na ak tak koi cheez time par ki ha jo ya sab aim Sath karega auf Tejas mk 1 itna perfect tha tü mk 2 ki Kia zarorat bani