TEDBF or ORCA Updates

[NoobWannaLearn]

Yet to see a UCAV that can defend itself, drop nearly 10-12 tonnes of ordnance, refuel with an FRA and return back from a deep strike mission. If you know one, do let me know.

What about whol man unmanned teaming system bringing cats program to aircrafts other than tejas will boost there capabilities and making a aircraft based on this concept to replace su 30s might just work

 

[swapcv]

What about whol man unmanned teaming system bringing cats program to aircrafts other than tejas will boost there capabilities and making a aircraft based on this concept to replace su 30s might just work

Years away in our context and even then doesn't take away from the fact that MUM-T concepts still need a Manned platform to coordinate much of the warfighting.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Years away in our context and even then doesn't take away from the fact that MUM-T concepts still need a Manned platform to coordinate much of the warfighting.

Manned planes will always be there I don't think we will go totally unmanned in atleast another 40 years

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Years away in our context and even then doesn't take away from the fact that MUM-T concepts still need a Manned platform to coordinate much of the warfighting.

Btw do we have any plans to replace mig 29s of airforce? Wouldn't orca do well to replace those?

 

[Bleh]

Btw do we have any plans to replace mig 29s of airforce? Wouldn't orca do well to replace those?

They are only 63... & 47 Mirages. Will be covered by the MWF & AMCA orders, overlapping with 173 LCAs.

Post 2030 further order expansion on AMCA Mk2 will extend it.

 

[MirageBlue]

Naval LCA Mk1 and TEDBF updates:

- Naval LCA Mk1 trainer will still be useful for training pilots in carrier operations
- Naval LCA MK1 not capable enough for the missions that the IN has envisaged. These include being able to strike targets at ranges of 400-500 NM and having 2 hour endurance for CAP missions
- Similar concept as the Rafale but completely designed here in India itself. The wing sweeps are different, the canards are different, the shape is similar, but the design is completely our own.
- Diverterless Supersonic Intakes (DSI), 2 X GE F-414 engines, advanced sensors and avionics systems, wing fold will be added which Rafale doesn't have which will cause problems for the Rafale when it comes to carrier stowage.
- TEDBF is designed to operate from both INS Vikrant as well as INS Vikramaditya
- Now in the phase of obtaining CCS sanction
- Navy is very keen on the TEDBF
- Timelines- First Flight - 2028 and Induction into service - 2032.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

What is he implying?

 

[stat231]

What is he implying?

ORCA maybe? maybe twin engine tejas?

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

ORCA maybe? maybe twin engine tejas?

It would be better to go for orca than put more money in Tejas program mk2 and be done with it.ORCA is the way to go but airforce shows no interest maybe he is hinting at something good

 

[stat231]

It would be better to go for orca than put more money in Tejas program mk2 and be done with it.ORCA is the way to go but airforce shows no interest maybe he is hinting at something good

Yes mk2 should be the end of it . Lets hope this is something good

 

[jai jaganath]

Naval LCA Mk1 and TEDBF updates:

- Naval LCA Mk1 trainer will still be useful for training pilots in carrier operations
- Naval LCA MK1 not capable enough for the missions that the IN has envisaged. These include being able to strike targets at ranges of 400-500 NM and having 2 hour endurance for CAP missions
- Similar concept as the Rafale but completely designed here in India itself. The wing sweeps are different, the canards are different, the shape is similar, but the design is completely our own.
- Diverterless Supersonic Intakes (DSI), 2 X GE F-414 engines, advanced sensors and avionics systems, wing fold will be added which Rafale doesn't have which will cause problems for the Rafale when it comes to carrier stowage.
- TEDBF is designed to operate from both INS Vikrant as well as INS Vikramaditya
- Now in the phase of obtaining CCS sanction
- Navy is very keen on the TEDBF
- Timelines- First Flight - 2028 and Induction into service - 2032.

Didn't hear the interview
But did he disclose what's the exact status of project
CCS clearance ko toh sab wait kar rahe hai

 

[jai jaganath]

It would be better to go for orca than put more money in Tejas program mk2 and be done with it.ORCA is the way to go but airforce shows no interest maybe he is hinting at something good

Mk2 is very logical step wrt cost logistics and maintenance if u r planning a large fleet
ORCA doesn't omit the requirement of mk2 and its usage

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Mk2 is very logical step wrt cost logistics and maintenance if u r planning a large fleet
ORCA doesn't omit the requirement of mk2 and its usage

My comment ment after mk2 I am all for tejas mk2 but I did not want more money to go into say twin engine mk2 that's why I said Better go for orca

 

[swapcv]

ORCA will be a de-navalized, minimum change derivative of the TEDBF. It'll be effectively what the Americans did in the 60's when the USAF adopted the F-4 Phantom II as the F-4C variant which in turn was based on the F-4B, the USN base variant. That being said, it will be down to inspired decision-making at the top brass for this to happen.

 

[kamaal]

TEDBF will need one colleague i.e. a strong AWACS on the carrier to assist. A killer combo in the region.

 

[swapcv]

TEDBF will need one colleague i.e. a strong AWACS on the carrier to assist. A killer combo in the region.

DBMRH based AEWC.

 

[kamaal]

DBMRH based AEWC.

Nope, more like NG E-2 or E-2D.

 

[swapcv]

Nope, more like NG E-2 or E-2D.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North...ed_Hawkeye_aircraft_conduct_a_test_flight.jpg

Not feasible on a STOBAR carrier.

 

[kamaal]

Not feasible on a STOBAR carrier.

May be True, but DBMRH doesn't offer the range and capability to compliment the TEDBF. Navy should look for some modification and look for ways to induct such equipments. E-2s can easily spot stealth jets, J-20 & J-31 can't hide from UHF radars hence TEDBF should be sent with a UHF capable AWACS otherwise it could be siting duck against J-31 which is stealthier and will come in more numbers.

 

[swapcv]

May be True, but DBMRH doesn't offer the range and capability to compliment the TEDBF. Navy should look for some modification and look for ways to induct such equipments. E-2s can easily spot stealth jets, J-20 & J-31 can't hide from UHF radars hence TEDBF should be sent with a UHF capable AWACS otherwise it could be siting duck against J-31 which is stealthier and will come in more numbers.

You can't win against gravity. An E-2 will be severely restricted in terms of launch weight from a STOBAR carrier to the point where it will at best be limited to short loiter times before needing refuelling. A DBMRH, while having slow transit speeds, will not be restricted in its takeoff weight and thus will be able to provide decent ToS (Time on Station) before needing refuelling.