TEDBF or ORCA Updates

[jai jaganath]

Abay lulh ka ya Bata ada jab khud Kuch kar hi nahi Raha HAL design bana Raha ha tü Manufacturing. Bhi hal hi karega na Boeing Koi chez Design karta ha USAF ka lia aur delay karta ha tü Boeing chutiya banega na HAL na ak tak koi cheez time par ki ha jo ya sab aim Sath karega auf Tejas mk 1 itna perfect tha tü mk 2 ki Kia zarorat bani

Abe sale
Likha kya hai
Anyway keeping ur mental retardness aside
As u r paki design and manufacturing is oxymoron to u
In India design and development is done by ada and are which are drdo lab when comes to Prototyping its mixed job of ada and hal but anus lies on ada
For Prototyping hal doesn't need huge manpower
Only manufacturing us dine by them and they haven't delayed most of the time
The delays u see is always in design and testing phase which comes under ada
If any changes recommended in prototype it's done by hal in very short time
Delays are part and parcel when u develope things and in India it's done by drdo labs which includes ada and ade
When testing completed orders given hal will manufacture it
Simple
And pls write in English ur hindi or urdu isn't understandable

 

[NutCracker]

ada jab khud Kuch kar hi nahi Raha HAL design bana Raha ha tü Manufacturing. Bhi hal hi karega na

ADA is assigned to design , roll out and first flight

HAL is only assigned to mass produce

Itni si baat dimag me nhi ja rahi

 

[Jimih]

Abay lulh ka ya Bata ada jab khud Kuch kar hi nahi Raha HAL design bana Raha ha tü Manufacturing. Bhi hal hi karega na Boeing Koi chez Design karta ha USAF ka lia aur delay karta ha tü Boeing chutiya banega na HAL na ak tak koi cheez time par ki ha jo ya sab aim Sath karega auf Tejas mk 1 itna perfect tha tü mk 2 ki Kia zarorat bani

Apna dekh pehle

 

[NutCracker]

Abay lulh ka ya Bata ada jab khud Kuch kar hi nahi Raha HAL design bana Raha ha tü Manufacturing. Bhi hal hi karega na Boeing Koi chez Design karta ha USAF ka lia aur delay karta ha tü Boeing chutiya banega na HAL na ak tak koi cheez time par ki ha jo ya sab aim Sath karega auf Tejas mk 1 itna perfect tha tü mk 2 ki Kia zarorat bani

Fir vahi illiterate paki wali baatein.

Mk1 is perfect replacement for Mig21

We need mirage2000 replacement so MK2 is here.

 

[InfraMaxxer]

 

[stat231]

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Why is there an uncanny resemblance with the rafale?

 

[NutCracker]

Why is there an uncanny resemblance with the rafale?

Because close coupled delta canards is probably the best design in the market. It will be even better than Rafale with 200kN thrust and DSI.

 

[jai jaganath]

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Sorry to say but this is most unrealistic fighter presently
Mark my words not wrt design or capability but on the basis of realization
Don't know the status of it
Is it in pdr or cdr when will will get ccs clearance then many other things to materialize and to be proved and how many years would it take to develop and test the aircraft
Let's see how far it goes and if it joins the IN service
Until now even amca hasn't received ccs clearance
Don't know which exact thing is pmo waiting for

 

[Bleh]

Why is there an uncanny resemblance with the rafale?

Because no matter how much we did I deny, it's a Rafale copy... Initially it look to be different but the rough house design being well established the further improvements will always make it look more like Rafale.

It's a souped-up enlarged Rafale with much more folding-wings, (much) more thrust & DSI. That's exactly how our eventual heavyweight fighter should come from AMCA or Su-30 base.

 

[swapcv]

Because no matter how much we did I deny, it's a Rafale copy... Initially it look to be different but the rough house design being well established the further improvements will always make it look more like Rafale.

It's a souped-up enlarged Rafale with much more folding-wings, (much) more thrust & DSI. That's exactly how our eventual heavyweight fighter should come from AMCA or Su-30 base.

An AHCA or NGCA will be a Su-30 successor and draw from the AMCA design and industrial base. But for that we will need to have an engine of 150 to 180kN of thrust, IRA, SLST. So it's a long way away, probably in the 2040's.

 

[Bleh]

An AHCA or NGCA will be a Su-30 successor and draw from the AMCA design and industrial base. But for that we will need to have an engine of 150 to 180kN of thrust, IRA, SLST. So it's a long way away, probably in the 2040's.

We're working on a 130-140 kN range/class engine only with Safran... Timelines & details are murky rn, but we've made 1000 order commitment.

Indo French 130 Kn Engine : India To Give 1000 Engine Deal Commitment : Safran And GTRE To Co-develop A 110 Kn Class Engine For AMCA

Source : Indian Defence Updates (IDU)

theigmp.org

 

[swapcv]

We're working on a 130-140 kN range engine with Safran...

So at best, 2035+ engine and mostly an AMCA Mk.2 thing. So a follow on AHCA's fate rides heavily on how both of these projects shape up eventually. Any deviation, cost overrun or a shortfall in performance and it is game over.

 

[Bleh]

So at best, 2035+ engine and mostly an AMCA Mk.2 thing. So a follow on AHCA's fate rides heavily on how both of these projects shape up eventually. Any deviation, cost overrun or a shortfall in performance and it is game over.

Edited..

AMCA Mk2 is expected to be borderline heavy class, 25-30 ton against TEDBF & AMCA Mk1's 20+ ton MTOW (judging from the engine requirement & comparing with J-15/16).

 

[swapcv]

Edited..

AMCA Mk2 is expected to be borderline heavy class, 25-30 ton against TEDBF & AMCA Mk1's 20+ ton MTOW (judging from the engine requirement & comparing with J-15/16).

AHCA will be much larger, however, and easily a 35-40 tonne class aircraft. And if there's ever a strike version in the same vein as an F-15E or the Su-34, expect it to be a minimum 45 tonne aircraft. Much of the weight fraction and the increase is simply to increase the usable payload (>13 tonnes) and the need to fly missions as long as 5-6 hours without refuelling.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

AHCA will be much larger, however, and easily a 35-40 tonne class aircraft. And if there's ever a strike version in the same vein as an F-15E or the Su-34, expect it to be a minimum 45 tonne aircraft. Much of the weight fraction and the increase is simply to increase the usable payload (>13 tonnes) and the need to fly missions as long as 5-6 hours without refuelling.

What is ahca some future aircraft project of ours?

 

[swapcv]

What is ahca some future aircraft project of ours?

As explained in my earlier post, a possible project aimed at replacing our Su-30MKI's which by 2030's will start reaching the end of their service lives. It's probably not on anyone's mind however right now as there are bigger fish to fry such as LCA Mk.2, AMCA and eventually AMCA Mk.2.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

As explained in my earlier post, a possible project aimed at replacing our Su-30MKI's which by 2030's will start reaching the end of their service lives. It's probably not on anyone's mind however right now as there are bigger fish to fry such as LCA Mk.2, AMCA and eventually AMCA Mk.2.

So iaf chief said su 30s will go on till mid 2030s and then the new aircraft will replace them I see.

 

[Gyyan]

Will devloping bomb truck like fighters even make sense by then?
I mean you could use multiple UCAVs to fulfill the role if needed.

 

[Suryavanshi]

Will devloping bomb truck like fighters even make sense by then?
I mean you could use multiple UCAVs to fulfill the role if needed.

we dont make judgement that far ahead unless we have surplus money to spent.

Artilley was dissed long time ago turns out it is still the god of war.
Tank was given a lot of importance but they are bane in modern warfare.

 

[swapcv]

Will devloping bomb truck like fighters even make sense by then?
I mean you could use multiple UCAVs to fulfill the role if needed.

Yet to see a UCAV that can defend itself, drop nearly 10-12 tonnes of ordnance, refuel with an FRA and return back from a deep strike mission. If you know one, do let me know.