Sukhoi PAK FA

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PAK FA is estimated to cost $100 million per unit, and that's an optimistic projection. That price will most definitely be higher for the Indian configuration due to special requirements of the FGFA.

F-35 at present already costs only $85 Million which is expected to go down even further to $70-75 Million by 2020. And F-35 is way more advanced in all parameters against PAK FA. Perhaps the only place where PAk FA will win against F-35 is on air show demos.

j31 cost 70m$ as stated by the chinese officials at the peris airshow , also they state that it cost half to the price of f35....
so f35 cost would be around 140m$....

 

[smestarz]

IF Jaitley is going to Russia means something is very critical which means the deal would be signed within this financial year.

Jaitley is wasting his time. Russia will not part with the stealth technology if they have it. It will take them billions of dollar to come up with a fighter jet like F-35. They want India to be the banker. India simply does not have that kind of money and the fact that India can easily acquire F-35s from US. In addition, China will acquire T-50/FGFA long before India gets them from Russia.

 

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IF Jaitley is going to Russia means something is very critical which means the deal would be signed within this financial year.

next one year there will be a twin engine compitition under make in india , f18 and rafale are already in race......where we find fgfa to be placed , its not even ready , its do not have a carrier version too.......

 

[Chinmoy]

next one year there will be a twin engine compitition under make in india , f18 and rafale are already in race......where we find fgfa to be placed , its not even ready , its do not have a carrier version too.......

FGFA is a concept. Lets have few things clear about any fifth gen technology. Basically there is nothing like stealth tech. Offcourse we do talk about RAM coating and all, but the real stealth of any fighter does involve its structure. Take the case of our very own Tejas. If you do compare its RADAR signature with that of Mig 21, it is much less. It has been achieved because of its structural design and material.

So when talking about PAK-FA, its not only the stealth factor we are talking about. Its the avionics and structural design which would play a part in FGFA concept. So any sort of JV would be beneficial for Indian aeronautical sector provided they get what they want. As far as RAM coating tech or any such feature is concerned, neither Russia nor anyone else would part with it. So our concern should be in acquiring relative know how on avionics.

 

[asianobserve]

j31 cost 70m$ as stated by the chinese officials at the peris airshow ,

The J-31 is not really a 5th gen fighter. Perhaps, $70 Million price tag is proper.

also they state that it cost half to the price of f35....
so f35 cost would be around 140m$....

Where did you get that $140 Million price? The upcoming block buy of F-35A will be at an average fly away cost of $85 Million. The price is projected to even further go down after 2020 between $70-75 Million. And for that price you get the second best 5th gen fighter, and the best overall networked platform in the World.

 

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The J-31 is not really a 5th gen fighter. Perhaps, $70 Million price tag is proper.



Where did you get that $140 Million price? The upcoming block buy of F-35A will be at an average fly away cost of $85 Million. The price is projected to even further go down after 2020 between $70-75 Million. And for that price you get the second best 5th gen fighter, and the best overall networked platform in the World.

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/19..._of_US_F_35__Paris_Air_Show_2017#.WUyqAvm6bqB

 

[asianobserve]

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/19..._of_US_F_35__Paris_Air_Show_2017#.WUyqAvm6bqB

Why are you reading fake news?

Here: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-airshow-paris-f-idUSKBN1990S8?il=0

That Chinese so called 5th Gen, FC-31, is like m@sturbation, you get some idea but that's not the real thing!

 

[Bahamut]

F-35 at present already costs only $85 Million which is expected to go down even further to $70-75 Million by 2020. And F-35 is way more advanced in all parameters against PAK FA. Perhaps the only place where PAk FA will win against F-35 is on air show demos.

The estimated cost is $85 million and then $80 million in 2020 and where it will be cheapest and after that it cost will stabilize
Alos F 35 and Pak Fa are made for different roles ,it like comparing apples to oranges .F 22 will be a better comparison

 

[TPFscopes]

No longer designated 'FGFA', the 'joint' India-Russia fifth generation aircraft is showcased here at Le Bourget with its combined designation 'Perspective Multirole Fighter'.

The Russians love word soup as much as we i India do for defence projects. That aside, it won't be nomenclature saving this programme from the heavy headwind of Indian skepticism.

Defence Minister Arun Jaitley is in Moscow today to chair the 17th meeting of the Inter-Govt Commission on military tech cooperation. The onus remains on Russia to assure India a real piece of the work to pony up what could be in excess of $25 billion for the whole deal.

Headwind on the deal is multi-tiered: India's skepticism and dissatisfaction stems, as we've reported before, from fears that the project is simply a vehicle to pump Indian money to finish a Russian project, with nearly zero Indian technical input, and nothing to write home about as far as workshare is concerned. India's committee to reassess the programme has submitted its report to the government. The recommendations are simple: a deal of value to India, but no deal without the best possible modalities (input, workshare, economics), and India had better have a pull-out plan that doesn't hurt in the event that everything crashes and burns. The deal isn't 'lost', as some reports declare a touch dramatically, but it's certainly in very shaky air.

Expect an update by day's end today after the Defence Minister's meeting, but we don't expect major headway yet. The ball still really is in Russia's court.

 

[TPFscopes]

F-35 is way more advanced in all parameters against PAK FA. Perhaps the only place where PAk FA will win against F-35 is on air show demos.

I have only caption for this:
DAY DREAMING/OVERHYPED F-35

 

[asianobserve]

I have only caption for this:
DAY DREAMING/OVERHYPED F-35

If anything, the F-35 has been hyper maligned by thousands of Russian trolls from Kremlin who are out to pursuade American public opinion to go against the F-35 for all the flimsy and baseless reasons. Notice how these trolls would hug every article about F-35 and post all these nonsense.

Then there are these websites who are claiming to be defense sites whose sole purpose is to discredit F-35.

Now, why would Russia go to such extent to discredit a US military program with the American public, with the clear intent to stop or severely limit its induction into US service when after all it is a lemon? No need for a hint...

Re overhyped, it is PAK FA that is overhyped. It is touted as an F-22 and F-35 Russian 5th gen killer yet it is sorely lacking in advanced stealth features. And you know how much Russia lags the US and West in electronics, which is the core of modern 5th Gen fighters. It does not even have an engine yet or radar absorbing coating (it needs a lot of radar absorbing coating since it is poorly designed on stealth level)... and it is already trying to rob India Billions in so called co-development sharing cost!

Wake up, Russia cannot afford to develop its so called 5th gen fighter and they are tricking India into shouldering a huge portion of its development cost for an aircraft of questionable capabilities.

 

[TPFscopes]

If anything, the F-35 has been hyper maligned by thousands of Russian trolls from Kremlin who are out to pursuade American public opinion to go against the F-35 for all the flimsy and baseless reasons. Notice how these trolls would hug every article about F-35 and post all these nonsense.

Then there are these websites who are claiming to be defense sites whose sole purpose is to discredit F-35.

Now, why would Russia go to such extent to discredit a US military program with the American public, with the clear intent to stop pr severely limit its induction into US service? No need for a hint...

Re overhyped, it is PAK FA that is overhyped. It is touted as an F-22 and F-35 Russian 5th gen killer yet it is sorely lacking in advanced stealth features. And you know how much Russia lags the US and West in electronics, which is the core of modern 5th Gen fighters. It does not even have an engine yet or radar absorbing coating (it needs a lot of radar absorbing coating since it is poorly designed on stealth level)... and it is already trying to rob India Billions in so called co-development sharing cost....

Wake up, Russia cannot afford to develop its so called 5th gen fighter and they are tricking India into shouldering a huge portion of its development cost for an aircraft of questionable capabilities.

F-35 is actually a overhyped project that's why USAF is pushing to revive the f-22 Production.

 

[Bahamut]

F-35 is actually a overhyped project that's why USAF is pushing to revive the f-22 Production.

Congress canceled the production citing increase cost plus so maybe USAF will upgrade it F 15 and F 16 to support F 35

 

[TPFscopes]

Congress canceled the production citing increase cost plus so maybe USAF will upgrade it F 15 and F 16 to support F 35

Recently, some news surfaced regarding the feasibility study for revival of F-22 Production.
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...duction-has-finally-arrived-heres-the-verdict

 

[asianobserve]

Recently, some news surfaced regarding the feasibility study for revival of F-22 Production.
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...duction-has-finally-arrived-heres-the-verdict

It's not going to happen. It's all wet dreams. In a lot of ways the F22 is already behind F35. The Americans are alreafy looking at the next gen possibly unmanned platforms.

 

[TPFscopes]

It's not going to happen. It's all wet dreams. In a lot of ways the F22 is already behind F35. The Americans are alreafy looking at the next gen possibly unmanned platforms.

F-22 is behind of f-35 in economic price tag otherwise it's the best jet and only 5th generation jet made by Americans.
F-35 is not true 5th generation jet. It lacks some 5th gen techs, supercruise is one of them.
CHEERS

 

[asianobserve]

F-22 is behind of f-35 in economic price tag otherwise it's the best jet and only 5th generation jet made by Americans.
F-35 is not true 5th generation jet. It lacks some 5th gen techs, supercruise is one of them.
CHEERS

F35 has limited supercruise capability or dash.

 

[bhramos]

Aviadarts 2017.

Photo Aleksandra Martynova

 

[TPFscopes]

F35 has limited supercruise capability or dash.

Are you sure?
If yes, than source please!

 

[gadeshi]

Are you sure?
If yes, than source please!

F-35 has no supercruise capability at all due to its overrated Middel cross-section.
And also it has no supersonic weapons delivery lower than 15km due to MWB design.

PS: Guys, could you please stop fapping on F-35 and write a BS in this topic and bring your sperm to F-35 one?

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