Sukhoi PAK FA

[TPFscopes]

@asianobserve @StealthFlanker
Request you guys, move to F-35's thread mentioned below.
Have a good day.
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/f-35-joint-strike-fighter.9172/

 

[scatterStorm]

Jaitley is wasting his time. Russia will not part with the stealth technology if they have it. It will take them billions of dollar to come up with a fighter jet like F-35. They want India to be the banker. India simply does not have that kind of money and the fact that India can easily acquire F-35s from US. In addition, China will acquire T-50/FGFA long before India gets them from Russia.

F-35 Is a medium weight class multi role fighter, SU50 is a heavy weight class air superiority VLO fighter, the cost would be high ... it doesn't take logic to deduce the financial outcome over here. I still believe that SU50 is a good fighter deal over F35s but the opportunity cost over here is too damn high, there will be tradeoffs, so for tech on AMCA we have to buy SU50, it's the need of the hour.

Besides, we ain't buying F35s unless US lobby presses our government to play the hard ball game geo-politically rather than diplomatically, like we would give you F35s but then you have to sign up for NATO and some shit.

 

[bhramos]

Russian military pilots will have helmets with elements of augmented reality

 

[Sam Biswas]

F-35 Is a medium weight class multi role fighter, SU50 is a heavy weight class air superiority VLO fighter, the cost would be high ... it doesn't take logic to deduce the financial outcome over here. I still believe that SU50 is a good fighter deal over F35s but the opportunity cost over here is too damn high, there will be tradeoffs, so for tech on AMCA we have to buy SU50, it's the need of the hour.

Besides, we ain't buying F35s unless US lobby presses our government to play the hard ball game geo-politically rather than diplomatically, like we would give you F35s but then you have to sign up for NATO and some shit.

One chronic problem I see in people's argument is that Indians assume a lot of things without any evidence. In addition, folks here treat dealings with Russia and US as same. USA is a democratic country with private defense companies. For example, India will need permission of the US govt for any military sales, but the price etc. has to be negotiated with the private company like Lockheed. US is not happy with NATO. It wants to deal with India completely separately. What I see if India wants F-35, it will be on the table in a very reasonable cost particularly if it approves F-16 assembly line. Anyway, until we know one way or another, we should not assume anything.

 

[gadeshi]

One chronic problem I see in people's argument is that Indians assume a lot of things without any evidence. In addition, folks here treat dealings with Russia and US as same. USA is a democratic country with private defense companies. For example, India will need permission of the US govt for any military sales, but the price etc. has to be negotiated with the private company like Lockheed. US is not happy with NATO. It wants to deal with India completely separately. What I see if India wants F-35, it will be on the table in a very reasonable cost particularly if it approves F-16 assembly line. Anyway, until we know one way or another, we should not assume anything.

There are no private defence companies in US, at least big ones.
All of them are State-to-Private partnerships with govt controlled stock not less than 45% (through govt owned or controlled fundations)

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[asianobserve]

There are no private defence companies in US, at least big ones.
All of them are State-to-Private partnerships with govt controlled stock not less than 45% (through govt owned or controlled fundations)

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Wow! That's how low you think the intelligence of Indians are... "there are no private US defence companies... all are at least 45% owned by US government..."

Such blatant disinformation...

 

[gadeshi]

Wow! That's how low you think the intelligence of Indians are... "there are no private US defence companies... all are at least 45% owned by US government..."
Such blatant disinformation...

I advice you to learn US companies public accountant reports for stock market before writing

 

[asianobserve]

I advice you to learn US companies public accountant reports for stock market before writing

Do tell us comrade what US defense company is 45% owned by the US government? Or 10%? 5%?

 

[Sam Biswas]

There are no private defence companies in US, at least big ones.
All of them are State-to-Private partnerships with govt controlled stock not less than 45% (through govt owned or controlled fundations)

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ALL defense companies in the US are publicly-traded companies and controlled by stock holders or Wall Street. Government is a customer. US Government changes every four to eight years very drastically. It does not have much say in these companies except they need permission of the President and Congress for weapon sales. It is very transparent.

 

[A chauhan]

"Debunking Misconceptions regarding Sukhoi PAK-FA’s frontal Radar Cross Section.

RCS Reduction in various sectors of the forward hemisphere is achieved by using S-shaped air intake duct and the coating of radar absorbing materials. But if you look closely to those images available in the public domain, diagrams and photographs, it can be concluded that the inlet guide motor vehicle (GMV), or more simply - the first stage of the compressor to the blades, it seems to be very clearly visible to enemy radar.

S-shaped channel provides only reduction of RCS in the axial directions to reduce the visibility of other sectors in the forward hemisphere, engineers in Sukhoi applied shielding to the GMV. (Something which people seem to be unaware about)

In the intake passage their is set special device, partially overlapping in the axial direction of the GMV preventing electromagnetic waves. In addition to screening, this constructive solution separates inlet channel into several different cylindrical or planar voids, and, flat surface of the cavities can be both parallel and intersecting. Such a complex segmentation and channel air intake cover wall segments with radar absorbing materials to reduce the power of the electromagnetic waves reflected from the GMV and from wall cavities, thus providing a decrease of the RCS in the forward hemisphere of the aircraft.

In all likelihood, the screen, installed in the intake passage, is a structure of fine-meshed nets, whose linear size of the cell is less than a quarter of the electromagnetic wavelength, irradiating plane. Thus fine-meshed net performs the role of screen for electromagnetic waves from a radar and reduces the entire aircraft’s frontal RCS.

Western analysts who dubbed PAK-FA less stealthy than F-22 and F-35 from frontal RCS aspects did not consider this fact or rather they may do not even have knowledge of this. It is imperative that PAK-FA’s RCS should be recalculated / reassessed by them."

Source - facebook member "Next generation weapons technology"

 

[bhramos]

PAKFA at night taking rest

 

[bhramos]

Russian-Indian fifth-generation fighter FGFA (Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft) will not concede developed for aerospace Forces PAK FA, he told journalists on Monday the head of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC) Dmitry Shugaev.

"India, along with Russia will receive not only the know-how, but also the right of ownership on the prepared HRP (military products - approx Tass.) That is, this fighter, if we have signed a contract and will be fulfilled intergovernmental agreement thus -. And we, of course, to this we go, will not yield to our PAK FA ", - said Shugaev at the air show in Le Bourget.
"Another thing is that the on-board equipment will be including Indian-made. It is an aircraft that will be adapted, including for the Indian market. That is not the deterioration of the characteristics that are inherent in national product, which is used in the Armed Forces, adaptation to the conditions of the customer , "- said the head of department.
He stressed that no other country is not ready to hand over India, "such sensitive technology."

Posts that Moscow demanded from Delhi $ 7 billion FGFA (Russian-Indian fifth-generation fighter, the analogue of the T-50), does not correspond to reality, told reporters on the first day of the International Air Show at Le Burzhe head FSMTC Dmitry Shugaev.

https://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2017/06/19/456029.html

 

[bhramos]

India, Russia finalize new roadmap for defence cooperation
Rajat Pandit| TNN | Jun 24, 2017, 04.27 AM IST
HIGHLIGHTS

(Image secretary: Embassy of India, Moscow)


NEW DELHI: India and Russia have finalized a roadmap to further boost bilateral defence cooperation, which ranges from joint development of futuristic weapon systems to a major upgrade of military-to-military ties.

This came during the 17th India-Russia inter-governmental commission on military-technical cooperation, which was co-chaired by defence minister Arun Jaitley and his Russian counterpart General Sergey Shoygu in Moscow on Friday.

"The two counties inked a protocol that lays out the roadmap, which includes specific activities to be concluded by both sides. It also aims to enhance cooperation in the field of political and military dialogue, exercises, exchange of visits, military cooperation and training," said an official.

Both sides also agreed to conclude ongoing negotiations for different platforms. As reported earlier by TOI, Russia is on course to bag defence projects worth around $10.5 billion, which range from the acquisition of five S-400 Triumf advanced air defence missile systems, four Grigorivich-class frigates and 200 Kamov-226T light helicopters as well as the lease of a second nuclear-powered submarine after INS Chakra.
The top-level bilateral meeting comes at a time when Russia is keen to maintain its long-standing numero uno position in the lucrative Indian arms market in the face of stiff challenge from the US, Israel, France and other countries. PM Narendra Modiwill be in the US for his first meeting with President Donald Trump on June 25 and 26.
The India-Russia meeting reviewed the entire range of defence and military-technical cooperation issues, in the backdrop of New Delhi being unhappy with Moscow for not sticking to delivery schedules, jacking up costs mid-way through execution of projects, creating hurdles in technology transfer and providing unreliable spares support.
India also remains unconvinced about the economic and technical viability of going in for the multi-billion dollar joint development and production of a fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) called the Sukhoi T-50 or PAK-FA with Russia.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-defence-cooperation/articleshow/59291033.cms

 

[scatterStorm]

India, Russia finalize new roadmap for defence cooperation
Rajat Pandit| TNN | Jun 24, 2017, 04.27 AM IST
HIGHLIGHTS

(Image secretary: Embassy of India, Moscow)


NEW DELHI: India and Russia have finalized a roadmap to further boost bilateral defence cooperation, which ranges from joint development of futuristic weapon systems to a major upgrade of military-to-military ties.

This came during the 17th India-Russia inter-governmental commission on military-technical cooperation, which was co-chaired by defence minister Arun Jaitley and his Russian counterpart General Sergey Shoygu in Moscow on Friday.

"The two counties inked a protocol that lays out the roadmap, which includes specific activities to be concluded by both sides. It also aims to enhance cooperation in the field of political and military dialogue, exercises, exchange of visits, military cooperation and training," said an official.

Both sides also agreed to conclude ongoing negotiations for different platforms. As reported earlier by TOI, Russia is on course to bag defence projects worth around $10.5 billion, which range from the acquisition of five S-400 Triumf advanced air defence missile systems, four Grigorivich-class frigates and 200 Kamov-226T light helicopters as well as the lease of a second nuclear-powered submarine after INS Chakra.
The top-level bilateral meeting comes at a time when Russia is keen to maintain its long-standing numero uno position in the lucrative Indian arms market in the face of stiff challenge from the US, Israel, France and other countries. PM Narendra Modiwill be in the US for his first meeting with President Donald Trump on June 25 and 26.
The India-Russia meeting reviewed the entire range of defence and military-technical cooperation issues, in the backdrop of New Delhi being unhappy with Moscow for not sticking to delivery schedules, jacking up costs mid-way through execution of projects, creating hurdles in technology transfer and providing unreliable spares support.
India also remains unconvinced about the economic and technical viability of going in for the multi-billion dollar joint development and production of a fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) called the Sukhoi T-50 or PAK-FA with Russia.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-defence-cooperation/articleshow/59291033.cms

So this mean FGFA program is not dead? Or PAK-FA program will directly be inducted in our airforce but with our own avionics on board?

 

[airtel]

"India, along with Russia will receive not only the know-how, but also the right of ownership on the prepared HRP (military products - approx Tass.)

जे बात :santa::santa::santa::santa::santa:

 

[TPFscopes]

So this mean FGFA program is not dead? Or PAK-FA program will directly be inducted in our airforce but with our own avionics on board?

Yup, its still Alive.
IAF will receive Approx 125 jets......

 

[pankaj nema]

PAK FA deal is taking so much time

Meanwhile every now and then we have some bad news
though it is done by paid agents ; still it creates doubts for us

 

[bhramos]

So this mean FGFA program is not dead? Or PAK-FA program will directly be inducted in our airforce but with our own avionics on board?

yes, not only Indian, but what ever we choose, French, Israeli ........... but 2 seater type.....

 

[rone]

there is a t50 2 seater version prototype made as per iaf specs but due to some reasons the project getting delayed by yrs

 

[smestarz]

The engine for PAKFA Item 30 is not yet ready and being tested, and thus after the engine is in production, that time the real potential will be known, Even any problem by various experts will be known then,

PAK FA deal is taking so much time

Meanwhile every now and then we have some bad news
though it is done by paid agents ; still it creates doubts for us