Sukhoi PAK FA

[asianobserve]

Are you sure?
If yes, than source please!

The actual article in Air Force Magazine is no longer active but here is a portion of that article regarding the ability of F-35 for supersonic dash without afterburners:

The F-35, while not technically a "supercruising" aircraft, can maintain Mach 1.2 for a dash of 150 miles without using fuel-gulping afterburners.

"Mach 1.2 is a good speed for you, according to the pilots," O’Bryan said.

http://www.airforce-magazine.com/Mag...2/November%202012/1112fighter.aspx

 

[TPFscopes]

The actual article in Air Force Magazine is no longer active but here is a portion of that article regarding the ability of F-35 for supersonic dash without afterburners:
http://www.airforce-magazine.com/Mag...2/November%202012/1112fighter.aspx

Maybe Good for you but still unable to impress

 

[asianobserve]

And also it has no supersonic weapons delivery lower than 15km due to MWB design.

The F-35 can launch internal weapons at supersonic speeds and it has already validated that capability as early as in November 2014.

Meanwhile, in November of last year, the US Joint Strike Fighter completed three live-fire weapons delivery accuracy tests involving two AIM-120 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles, or AMRAAMS, and one Joint Direct Attack Munition, or JDAM.

"These events included the first supersonic-guided missile lunch and the first JDAM release on target coordinates generated from the Electro-Optical Targeting System," a JSF program office statement said.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/06/19/royal-air-force-f35b-launches-paveway-iv-weapon.html

But I agree that this is not the forum for F-35 discussion. So I will not add anything here anymore about F-35.

 

[sbm]

@TPFscopes: Any chance of the IAF making a choice for more Rafaels and finally getting on board the FGFA?

 

[gadeshi]

The F-35 can launch internal weapons at supersonic speeds and it has already validated that capability as early as in November 2014.
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/06/19/royal-air-force-f35b-launches-paveway-iv-weapon.html
But I agree that this is not the forum for F-35 discussion. So I will not add anything here anymore about F-35.

Can you read, not only write?
It cannot deliver weapons on supersonic speeds lower than 10km altitude.
This is more or less normal for F-22 with it's high altitude interceptor/aggressor role but not for F-35 which is a striker.

 

[asianobserve]

Can you read, not only write?
It cannot deliver weapons on supersonic speeds lower than 10km altitude.
This is more or less normal for F-22 with it's high altitude interceptor/aggressor role but not for F-35 which is a striker.

F-35 is multi-role fighter. It can assume air dominance role, strike role and even mini-AWACS role. These capabilities are being honed in in its testing, the latest was during the last Red Flag.

 

[smestarz]

The twin engine competition is for the 57 naval RFI and there is supposed to be competition for single engine planes too between F-16 and Gripen
But fact remains that LCA is available, and PAKFA is for air force not NAVY.

next one year there will be a twin engine compitition under make in india , f18 and rafale are already in race......where we find fgfa to be placed , its not even ready , its do not have a carrier version too.......

 

[TPFscopes]

@TPFscopes: Any chance of the IAF making a choice for more Rafaels and finally getting on board the FGFA?

It's very sure that IAF+IN will make orders of ~100 RAFALEs.
And for FGFA/PMF , I already said that it will not going to replace any fighter. Nearly 100 FGFA/PMF will be ordered to increase the number of IAF squadrons.

 

[TPFscopes]

F-35 is multirole fighter. It can assume air dominance role, strike role and even mini-AWACS role. These capabilities are being honed in in its testing, the latest was during the last Red Flag.

These all are marketing figures used to impress newbies.
Almost all modern fighter jets are Multi-Role.

 

[TPFscopes]

F-35 is multirole fighter. It can assume air dominance role, strike role and even mini-AWACS role. These capabilities are being honed in in its testing, the latest was during the last Red Flag.

These all are marketing figures used to impress newbies.
Almost all modern fighter jets are Multi-Role.

 

[aditya10r]

To the people calling f-35,F-35..

Its not f-35,its FAT-35.

I t cannot fly the f-35 if you weigh less than 135 pounds.
You need an escort if you want to go and strike a position inside enemy territory(ofcourse you cant strike inside friendly airspace).

It has a sexy as megan fox and stealthy as b-2 ass hump for its parachute

And it loses to f-16(a goddamn 35 year old jet)

 

[Gaurav Rai]

Jesa bhi t-50 banaye russia humein usey lekar sabse ache technicians laake, kholkar poora IAF ke according modify kar lena chahiye. Uske bad Next stage me f-22 se bhi zada capable isey banane ka aim karna chahiye.

 

[square]

Jesa bhi t-50 banaye russia humein usey lekar sabse ache technicians laake, kholkar poora IAF ke according modify kar lena chahiye. Uske bad Next stage me f-22 se bhi zada capable isey banane ka aim karna chahiye.

at the time IAF bought mki , it was proclaimed to be the most advance.....and yet after 20 years , IAF is willing to buy f16 at double the cost......

 

[StealthFlanker]

F-35 has no supercruise capability at all due to its overrated Middel cross-section.
And also it has no supersonic weapons delivery lower than 15km due to MWB design.

I don't know where do you get that sort of information from but it is wrong period. 15 km is around 49k feet, most aircraft don't cruise that high (except if they are pure recon or interceptor), since air density would be too low for evasive maneuver, even for F-22 , PAK-FA altitude like 30-40k feet are much more suitable. In fact, most mission profiles are designed around that altitude range. From a logical standpoint, there is absolutely no reason to design the weapon bay for F-35 that can't be opened in supersonic speed below 49k feet while its mission generally have much lower cruising altitude

From technical standpoint, i don't see why it can't drop bomb or launch missiles at supersonic speed at altitude below 15 km either consider that it can open the bay door at Mach 1.6 without flutter, while you can argue that the bay door may increase drag and slow the aircraft down. It worth remembering that since all 3 version A,B,C have same top speed limit despite the physical size difference. The speed limit would be placard limit rather than thrust limit. Furthermore, the weapon bay would not generate enough drag to pull the aircraft down to subsonic immediately when they are open
http://www.jsf.mil/news/docs/20130131_MESSAGETOF35.pdf

 

[StealthFlanker]

I t cannot fly the f-35 if you weigh less than 135 pounds.

This is not really the problem of the aircraft itself but more or less has to do with the ejection seat, lighter pilot have weaker neck muscle leaving them more vulnerable to neck injury when ejected, newer HMD are heavier too which increase this risk. They fixed it though
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/09/20/f35_ejection_seat_modifications_nearly_done/

You need an escort if you want to go and strike a position inside enemy territory(ofcourse you cant strike inside friendly airspace)

Why would it need an escort? The whole point of any stealth aircraft is that they can avoid combat if necessary. If the problem is the load out, technically speaking, with miniature weapons like SDB or Spear, a block 4 F-35 carry asymmetric load can have 4 AAM and 4 AGM internally.

It has a sexy as megan fox and stealthy as b-2 ass hump for its parachute

The parachute is a safety requirement from Norway since they have ways too many icy runways, they can be taken out if deemed necessary. While the hump increase the RCS from some aspect, they are no bigger than two separate nacelles on PAK-FA

And it loses to f-16(a goddamn 35 year old jet

I said it before, but that was a flight software test for high AoA condition rather than a dogfight to see who won

Nevertheless, it isn't rare for old aircraft to sometimes prevail new generation in dogfight, it happened several times before when F-4 beat Rafale, F-16 beat Typhoon, T-38 beat F-22. Pilot skills are very important.

 

[TPFscopes]

PAK FA izdeliye 30 engines expected to complete state trials in 2020.

The first of the izdeliye 30 engines are expected to be integrated on the aircraft in the early of first quarter of 2018. Following which further development and validations tests will be carried our through 2018-19.

Currently, the izdeliye 30 engine is mounted on a flying laboratory and has a target date of November 6, 2017 to complete performance check flights. However, the schedule is said to have slipped past the date due to delays in the development and implementation of the Automatic Engine Control System.

 

[asianobserve]

From technical standpoint, i don't see why it can't drop bomb or launch missiles at supersonic speed at altitude below 15 km either consider that it can open the bay door at Mach 1.6 without flutter, while you can argue that the bay door may increase drag and slow the aircraft down. It worth remembering that since all 3 version A,B,C have same top speed limit despite the physical size difference. The speed limit would be placard limit rather than thrust limit. Furthermore, the weapon bay would not generate enough drag to pull the aircraft down to subsonic immediately when they are open
http://www.jsf.mil/news/docs/20130131_MESSAGETOF35.pdf

F-35 bashers want to freeze the conversation to the time when F-35 was still very new, with rudimentary software, and a lot of teething problems. I guess that makes it easier for them to bash F-35. Unfortunately for them F-35 is already maturing as in fact its 3f software is about to be inserted throughout all the F-35 thus far produced and all F-35 that will come out of production. 3f software unlocks the full combat capabilities of F-35 .

Second, F-35 has already tested as early as November 2013(or 2014?) launching AIM120 at supersonic speeds. Besides, it does not make sense to make a supersonic jet with internal weapons load and yet the weapons cannot be used while the jet is in supersonic speeds. Moreover, if Lockheed engineers can design F-22 weapons bay doors to be able to operate even at supersonic speeds it is simply absurd to think now that the same engineers cannot design the same kind of weapons doors 20 years later in F-35!

 

[asianobserve]

Why would it need an escort? The whole point of any stealth aircraft is that they can avoid combat if necessary. If the problem is the load out, technically speaking, with miniature weapons like SDB or Spear, a block 4 F-35 carry asymmetric load can have 4 AAM and 4 AGM internally.

In the last Red Flag, 1-17, F-35s had 20:1 simulated kills over opponents in a highly contested threat environment.

In that exercise, F-35 acted as:

1. Air dominance fighter;
2. Strike platform; and,
3. Mini-AWACS.

But I think this conversation should be made in the F-35 thread...

 

[Anirbann Datta]

this thread for FGFA or PAK FA!!! why do people dont understand the simple fact and bring out of designated topics here!!!!!!

 

[lcafanboy]

FGFA: Why No Deal Yet?
Published June 25, 2017 SOURCE: MANJUNATH REDDDY/ FOR MY TAKE / IDRW.ORG

Defence minister Arun Jaitley has returned from Russia after having a successful one-to-one meeting with key officials from Russian Military complex leading to fast tracking of pending military deals with the Russia. Helicopter, Frigate and S-400 Negotiation will be fast tracked and will be concluded within next few months said several media reports but it seems no breakthrough was achieved in long pending negotiation for the development of 5th Generation fighter jet which was to be carried out by India and Russia. Proposed development of FGFA based on Sukhoi’s Pak-Fa 5th Generation fighter aircraft has been under negotiation for last 7 years and recently Indian Air Force submitted a favorable report on co-development of FGFA but it also pushed for far more Transfer of technology and deeper Indian involvement in the project. Previous Sukhoi-30 Deal has been cited has a failure to implement Full Transfer of technology which still mandates the use of Russian-supplied components which still keeps Indigenous content on Sukhoi-30 just over 51 %. According t media reports Indian Air Force doesn’t want to repeat similar deal which forces India to procure from Russia even when it can be sourced from India locally at much cheaper rate. IAF is looking for Indian built FGFA to have nearly 70-80 % of components which can be sourced from India with Russian imports limited to less than 20-30 % range. IAF reportedly is also asking for better high thrust engines which have better serviceability and also have higher Indian made components. India fears that Sukhoi-30 Deal type deal will put Russia into advantage positions since no major orders have been placed by Russian air force for the type even with its being only 5th generation aircraft coming out of Russia. India also fears that export potential of FGFA will be limited since Rival Mig Corporation is already developing a Medium category Stealth fighter to replace legendary Mig-29 which will carry a cheaper price tag. Many in Key decision makers in India are in split when it comes to the development of Indo-Russian 5th Generation fighter jets. FGFA will be India’s most expensive fighter jet which will consume a large portion of IAF’s Military budget for decades to come, while some are also concerned about having Deja Vu to go for Sukhoi-30 type Deal again on FGFA. India’s own 5th Generation fighter aircraft will also require a considerable amount of investment since it is clear now that technologies developed and paid by India will not actually benefit AMCA Project since both Projects have already reached pretty advanced stages of development.

idrw.org . Read more at India No 1 Defence News Website http://idrw.org/fgfa-why-no-deal-yet/#more-139162 .