Sukhoi PAK FA

[Kchontha]

Imho FGFA will be in the hand of IAF as soon as it is ready just like Su 30 MKI's or ins vikramaditya of IN. The Baseline aircraft t50 pakfa is still in the developmental phase and progressing smoothly.

 

[smestarz]

India had purchased Su-30 MK (Twin seater planes) and they had tested it thoroughly. These were the first Su-30 that India ever purchased. Then based on the understanding of the plane and its requirements (also whats available in brochures of other manufacturers) IAF opted for some French and israeli avionics and these were then integrated to make it INDIA SPECIFIC Flanker. Thus if we go by same MO then I guess we have to use some PAKFA base versions first and based on our testing come up with different avionics that we desire in it.

Imho FGFA will be in the hand of IAF as soon as it is ready just like Su 30 MKI's or ins vikramaditya of IN. The Baseline aircraft t50 pakfa is still in the developmental phase and progressing smoothly.

 

[Dharmapalas]

There are no private defence companies in US, at least big ones.
All of them are State-to-Private partnerships with govt controlled stock not less than 45% (through govt owned or controlled fundations)

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Well this is fake news..............

 

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Imho FGFA will be in the hand of IAF as soon as it is ready just like Su 30 MKI's or ins vikramaditya of IN. The Baseline aircraft t50 pakfa is still in the developmental phase and progressing smoothly.

looking into deep partnership between russia and china , india may opt to not buy any russian militry system now.......

have we bought anything in last 5 years ????

 

[gadeshi]

Well this is fake news..............

Review the stackholders lists first, write some oppinions second.

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[Kchontha]

looking into deep partnership between russia and china , india may opt to not buy any russian militry system now.......

have we bought anything in last 5 years ????

Though military hardware purchase from Russia is on declined during the last few years, still it is the largest supplier to India. Do some googling, then you'll find some interesting new development.

 

[kstriya]

Though military hardware purchase from Russia is on declined during the last few years, still it is the largest supplier to India. Do some googling, then you'll find some interesting new development.

The Russian's are not fools, they held their ground in the cold war years because of forward & strategic thinking. They know once the Chinks have India under control its Russia in their list too, They will never commit suicide for the Chinks.

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

The Russian's are not fools, they held their ground in the cold war years because of forward & strategic thinking. They know once the Chinks have India under control its Russia in their list too, They will never commit suicide for the Chinks.

Russians never play second fiddle to anyone.Never.The day they have a strong economy they will show the chinks who is the boss.

 

[Sam Biswas]

Russians never play second fiddle to anyone.Never.The day they have a strong economy they will show the chinks who is the boss.

It will be a long time or years before Russia gets rich. Russians are hoping Indian friends will bail them out in these hard times. They do not have any products except military hardware. These can fetch only a few dollars and nothing more.

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

It will be a long time or years before Russia gets rich. Russians are hoping Indian friends will bail them out in these hard times. They do not have any products except military hardware. These can fetch only a few dollars and nothing more.

They will be powerful soon enough.Powerful enough to no follow chinks.

 

[square]

They will be powerful soon enough.Powerful enough to no follow chinks.

russia has the two largest populations & and emerging economies at its side , yet if russia struggling economically because they are reluctent to invest ......
russia should have join make in india , go for jv in defence , transfer tech without fear , after all a perticuler tech has a life of not more then 15 years......
this would not only give long term stability to russian economy but also help improve their products ..........

 

[asianobserve]

Review the stackholders lists first, write some oppinions second.

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Typical Russian disinformation!

I'll ask you again: which US defense company is that and who is that so called government stockholder?

 

[Sam Biswas]

Review the stackholders lists first, write some oppinions second.

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Wish Russians were as good in making stealth fighter jets as they are in making fake news!

 

[Sam Biswas]

Typical Russian disinformation!

I'll ask you again: which US defense company is that and who is that so called government stockholder?

Please don't ask this type of questions because Russians are only good at making fake news and cyber warfare.

 

[sjmaverick]

Just a glimpse on Russian economy at present :

The Russian economy advanced 0.5 percent year-on-year in the first three months of 2017, in line with preliminary estimates and following a 0.3 percent expansion in the previous quarter. A rebound in mining, manufacturing and trade and a jump in transportation boosted growth, final figures showed. The economy returned to growth after a two-year recession that was mainly caused by low oil prices and sanctions imposed on Russian individuals and businesses in response to the annexation of Crimea. GDP Annual Growth Rate in Russia averaged 3.03 percent from 1996 until 2017, reaching an all time high of 12.10 percent in the fourth quarter of 1999 and a record low of -11.20 percent in the second quarter of 2009.

After reading last many pages i can only see same baseless arguments again n again, hope one day everyone move on to some real development in this vital project or come back on technical discussion which was the quality of this forum (No offense aimed at any one but i used to enjoy heated debated between @ersthakviel and other senior members ...opinions but based on some understanding of data available in open forum)

Since one liners, baseless allegation and pure opinions are in trend ....i have decided to pen down mine as well..

1. A nation like India may want to have the best of the world of everything including fighter plane but lot of other things goes in decision making including funds, threats and ideology etc. I don't think India have threat from best of the world equipment to be used against it in war. We are not going to fight against F-22 for everything else T50 is sufficient.
2. Ingenious defense industry and self reliance is not a process its more of a thinking. Like democracy it also has many flaws suffer from time delays/project execution, quality etc. but in long term it comes out to be winner. Give one example of dominating force on this earth without this thought being implemented and without early failures to pay as price.
3. Russia & China to some extent recognize the strength of quantities in conflict with 10% compromise in quality . I agree..Looking at Indian army strength it hold true to some extent for India as well.
4. A true friend or a normal friend does not over-rule basic principles of business why does it hurt to anyone when a country charge premium for a tech it has developed after hard work. India business principles widely followed advise not to mingle friendship with business.. Though friendship must mean special privileges even in business without hurting profit of-course to some extent.
5. Every buy will have its own challenges you have to choose often which one you can live with just like choosing a girl for marriage.... nothing is perfect:

• It can either be costly like Rafael but decent tech
• Decent tech & price but with average after service
• Higher price, Higher Tech but with strings attached on usage

Russian Fighter jets were always capable but only in the hands of capable pilots whereas western costlier jets infused tech for decent performance even out of not so capable pilots...period.

My understanding is India Pilots are very capable and thus can make good use most of different tech: Western or Russian​

 

[GiantWithFeetOfClay]

Are the new engines for the PAK FA in production?

 

[smestarz]

You do agree that Russians are good at something, even Cyber warfare.. Where are the Americans? You seem to agree that Americans are incompetent in cyber security? Wow and yes it could be, The Chinese were able to design their own 5th Gen using "borrowed" tech. hahaha

Please don't ask this type of questions because Russians are only good at making fake news and cyber warfare.

 

[Sam Biswas]

You do agree that Russians are good at something, even Cyber warfare.. Where are the Americans? You seem to agree that Americans are incompetent in cyber security? Wow and yes it could be, The Chinese were able to design their own 5th Gen using "borrowed" tech. hahaha

Americans do cyber warfare against every country and no one knows about it. Russians do it well but the problem is they leave their finger print everywhere and Putin gets caught. In Defense you cannot assume anything. China makes look alike fighter jets. Anyone can do that. Whether it is fifth gen, that is questionable. Only Americans have publicly displayed their fifth gen F-35. Russia and China only claimed. F-35 is the product of a trillion dollar venture backed by decades of fighter jet building experience. India could not possibly have a better choice than a F-16 + F-35 combo for a comprehensive defense.

 

[The Last Stand]

Americans do cyber warfare against every country and no one knows about it. Russians do it well but the problem is they leave their finger print everywhere and Putin gets caught. In Defense you cannot assume anything. China makes look alike fighter jets. Anyone can do that. Whether it is fifth gen, that is questionable. Only Americans have publicly displayed their fifth gen F-35. Russia and China only claimed. F-35 is the product of a trillion dollar venture backed by decades of fighter jet building experience. India could not possibly have a better choice than a F-16 + F-35 combo for a comprehensive defense.

Wikileaks CIA files just proved they have programs to leave the "fingerprints" of other agencies with a single click.

 

[smestarz]

We do not assume anything, we go by facts.
Americans do cyber warfare, but seems you cannot do anything against the Chinese or the Russians, Never could. APPARENTLY Russians meddled in your elections, what did America do?
Russians leave their footprint and guess what Su-30 MKI is very similar to Russia. Big, and leaves a big foot print, but the opponents are like America, they keep distance and keep shouting, but dare not get too close fearing the bite. India has a better choice... PAKFA + Su-30 MKI and Add Tejas to the mix,, what F-16 and F-35 actually do not have is range, both are short range planes. On other hand an Su-30 MKI is able to take warload and range of 3 F-16s.. and thats HUGE.. F-117 was the earlier product,, and it got shot down, and thats why F-22 is kept well away from Action, imagine the embarrassment if an F-22 is shot down. Russian S-400 were waiting for F-22 to try and do mischief against the Syrians or Russians, unfortunately guess we would not get to see the chance because F-22 has no use being in Syria.

Americans do cyber warfare against every country and no one knows about it. Russians do it well but the problem is they leave their finger print everywhere and Putin gets caught. In Defense you cannot assume anything. China makes look alike fighter jets. Anyone can do that. Whether it is fifth gen, that is questionable. Only Americans have publicly displayed their fifth gen F-35. Russia and China only claimed. F-35 is the product of a trillion dollar venture backed by decades of fighter jet building experience. India could not possibly have a better choice than a F-16 + F-35 combo for a comprehensive defense.