Sukhoi PAK FA

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Surprising isn't it. Pak fa will not be based on T-50 but will be a new bird that draws from the experience from it. Is it because india has not been on board so far as far as codeveloping is concerned. India wants to be on the 5th gen project from the drawing board.
 

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Good, it will show that INDIA possesses the capability and also has the people and infrastructure to develop fith generation fighters.....
 

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Indo-Russian joint project
Fifth generation fighter will sharpen airpower

Union Defence Minister A.K. Antony's recent statement that India and Russia have sorted out all issues pertaining to the joint development of the fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) and that the deal is slated to be signed during Russian President Dmitry Medvedev's visit to India in December is heartening indeed. Considering that the joint development of the multi-role transport aircraft with Russia is also on the anvil and India has decided to go in for long-range maritime reconnaissance aircraft from the US, among other equipment, it is refreshing that the need to upgrade India's air firepower is being addressed after all. Only last week Air Chief P.V. Naik had sent shock-waves across the country when he admitted that 50 per cent of the Indian Air Force equipment, including fighters, radars, transport aircraft and air defence systems, was either obsolete or obsolescent.

That the Russians have settled for joint development of the fifth generation fighter aircraft and of multi-role transport aircraft is no flash in the pan. It is an index of their faith in India's technological prowess as borne out by its indigenous development of the Light Combat Aircraft, the Advanced Light Helicopter and by co-production of the BrahMos cruise missiles with them in a cost-effective manner. Though the Indo-Russian FGFA will be based on the Russian Sukhoi T-50, which flew for the first time this January at their facility in Siberia, it will be built to the IAF's specifications. Significantly, it is being touted as superior to the American F/A-22 `Raptor', the world's only operational FGFA as of now.

If there is a flip side to Indo-Russian defence cooperation it is that projects get delayed inordinately and this leads to considerable cost escalation. Not only has the FGFA been delayed, India had bought Gorshkov frigate in 2004 and its delivery, originally fixed for 2008, has now been finalised for 2012-13. In the case of the Akula-II nuclear-powered submarine, the two sides have now reportedly postponed the delivery to March next year, though India was supposed to get it last year after trials. This week's talks between Antony and his Russian counterpart resolved to cut down delays but the proof of the pudding would lie in its eating.








ASIAN DEFENCE: Indo-Russian joint project Fifth generation fighter will sharpen airpower
 

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India chooses Russian prototype for its fifth generation aircraft

http://http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20101011/160915653.html
The joint development of a fifth generation fighter aircraft has moved to the fore of Russian-Indian cooperation. The issue was discussed during Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov's recent visit to India. But an important question remains: Which fifth generation fighter are we taking about? The first prototype of the T-50 aircraft built under the PAK FA project is already flying in Russia.

Fifth generation fighters are increasingly becoming a symbol proving that a country has an independent aviation industry, capable of developing combat aircraft. Only two countries have done this so far - the United States has built its F-22 Raptor and is testing the F-35, while Russia is testing its T-50 fighter. India, which is actively developing its aviation industry, also seeks to develop a fifth generation fighter aircraft, but it cannot start from scratch. Cooperation with Russia is critical to India in this respect. In turn, Russia needs financial support to finish work on its fifth generation fighter.

Many experts see the T-50 as a very promising program that could become the foundation for a whole new family of combat aircraft, like the T-10 Sukhoi aircraft, which led to the Sukhoi Su-27 (NATO reporting name Flanker) and its various modifications.

Cost is the key difference between the T-50 fighter and the American F-22, the world's first fifth generation mass-produced combat fighter. The F-22 is far too expensive to become a popular model, and it suffers from the inevitable technical problems of a pioneer. This in addition to the congressional ban on exporting the fighter has made it impossible for the United States to further develop this system.

The second next-generation American fighter, the F-35, is currently undergoing tests. But the United States has run into problems with this program, too. The United States tried to build a cheaper fifth generation aircraft with the same capabilities as the F-22 but on a smaller scale. The new fighter was supposed to have a smaller combat load and range, slower flight speed and lower radar capabilities. However, combining all these features in one aircraft proved too difficult. Its price tag has surpassed $150 million, which is more than double the initial estimate. There is no indication that the price will go down, and U.S. designers have still not been able to recreate some of the F-22's features on the F-35, such as supersonic speeds without the use of an afterburner.

The designers have complicated their job by attempting to develop three different aircraft on the F-35 platform - a conventional fighter for the Air Force, a deck aircraft for the Navy and a STOVL (shorter take off and vertical landing) plane for the Marines. As a result, the project is delayed and over cost.

The designers of the T-50 have taken into account the experience of the United States with the F-22 and the problems with the F-35. Their T-50 program looks more realistic in comparison. They have decided not to pursue too many goals, instead concentrating on the existing, tried-and-tested program to develop a multi-purpose heavy aircraft with a solid safety margin. The T-50 program is bound to be a success, even if one element of the future fighter is delayed, as each element - be it the engines, onboard equipment or armaments - has a backup version.

It is no surprise that India has chosen the Russian aircraft as the prototype for its Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) program. Now that the T-50 is already in the air and passing its tests with flying colors, India and Russia can confidently sign an agreement to develop a prototype on its basis.

RIA Novosti military correspondent Ilya Kramnik

The opinions expressed in this article are the author's and do not necessarily represent those of RIA Novosti.
 

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Some New Pics of PAK-FA (FGFA)

 
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HAL to play critical role in fifth gen aircraft

By admin at 15 October, 2010, 2:01 am

BY: Times Internet Limited.
Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL) will be playing a critical role in the design and development of the much-vaunted Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) programme , contrary to expectations , the state-owned defence undertaking's chairman and managing director told ET. With the $30-billion agreement scheduled to be signed during Russian president Dimitry Medvedev's visit to India in December , questions had been raised about the company's exact role, considering it will be India's primary development agency for the programme.
"We will be part of the team designing the aircraft's fuselage and airframe, and will be manufacturing the same in India as well. While we have had a certain amount of experience designing aircraft, playing a role in the design and development of next generation combat features such as stealth and super cruise will add to our knowledge," HAL chairman and managing director Ashok Nayak said.
The concern arises from the fact that the Russians have been developing a single seater prototype, the PAKFA T-50 since 1999, and carried out a test flight earlier this month, its 22nd since its maiden flight in January 2010, with a large degree of success.
While the Indian Air Force has indicated its preference for a twin-seater version of the fifth generation aircraft, Mr Nayak indicated that HAL will be playing a role in the further development of the single-seater combat aircraft as well.
"We will be working on the single-seater combat aircraft to a certain extent. That is because we have to understand the entire design process of the aircraft and then move on to the twin-seater version ," he said. There is a possibility of the IAF inducting between 250 to 300 FGFA by 2018, comprising of both single-seater and twinseater variants, while the Russians have shown their preference for the former only. "We are going along with the single-seater FGFA for the moment, but the IAF want a twin-seater combat aircraft also. However, this is yet to be crystallised ," Mr Nayak said.


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So far, the best video I have seen that has transcripts so that viewers can understand the commentary (audio in Russian, transcript in English). To see the commentary, one needs to see the video in YouTube.

The video is embedded below:
 
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Future could entail Russian exporting more than 600 5th-generation fighter jets

Mr Korotchenko stated: "Experts at CAWAT believe that export demands, under the current production plan for the advanced frontline aircraft system (PAK FA), will lead to Russia's building at least a thousand Sukhoi jet fighters. Moreover, the Russian air force, should the country's economic growth scenario not sour things otherwise, is expected to order at least 400-450 units from 2020 to 2040."

He added that the PAK FA fighter jet's only realistic competitor in the foreseeable future is the F-35 Lightening II, since the heavy-weight version of the American 5th-generation F-22 will barely find any demand on the world arms market because of its astronomical price tag (around $250m per fighter jet at export).

The PAK FA programme's only current foreign partner is India, which plans on having at least 250 5th-generation fighter jets in its air force's combat strength

Predictions lead CAWAT to consider the following countries to be potential buyers of the PAK FA: Algeria (a possible purchase of 24-36 5th-generation fighter jets from 2025 to 2030), Argentina (12-24 units from 2035 to 2040), Brazil (24-36 units from 2030 to 2035), Venezuela (24-36 units from 2027 to 2032), Vietnam (12-24 units from 2030 to 2035), Egypt (12-24 units from 2040 to 2045).

Other possible buyers include: Indonesia (6-12 units from 2028 to 2032), Iran (36-48 units from 2035 to 2040), Kazakhstan (12-24 units from 2025 to 2035), China (up to 100 units from 2025 to 2035), Libya (12-24 units from 2025 to 2030), Malaysia (12-24 units from 2035 to 2040) and Syria (12-24 units from 2025 to 2030).

Mr Korotchenko also pointed out that delivery dates, volumes and buyers still could change depending on how international events develop and where volatile areas might arise in different parts of the world in future

http://indrus.in/articles/2010/09/08/future_could_entail_Russian_exporting_jets04682.html
 

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INDIA ANNOUNCES ORDER FOR UP TO 345 WARPLANES


http://www.times.spb.ru/index.php?action_id=2&story_id=32700

By Derek Andersen
The St. Petersburg Times
MOSCOW — Indian Defense Minister A.K. Antony announced on Thursday that his country would make hefty purchases of military aviation produced jointly with Russia.

India will buy 45 multipurpose transport planes and 250 to 300 fighter planes, Antony said at a news conference in New Delhi after the 10th meeting of the India-Russia Intergovernmental Commission on Military-Technical Cooperation, Interfax reported.

"The next decade of military-technical cooperation between Russia and India is tied to these two joint projects," Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov said at the same news conference.

The fifth-generation fighter planes will be produced by Russia's Sukhoi and India's National Aerospace Laboratories, it was announced. A Russian-drafted contract has already been submitted for India's approval.

"It is too early to talk about the price of the deals," said Konstantin Makiyenko, deputy director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, because the contracts would only be signed during President Dmitry Medvedev's planned visit to India in December.

Makiyenko suggested maximum prices of $100 million for the fighter planes and $50 million for the transport planes, which could bring the value of the deal up to $32.25 billion. Economic conditions at the time of contract signing will have an impact on the price, he said.

Design of the aircraft will cost $300 million, and the first planes should be ready by 2015, Interfax reported.
 

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Other possible buyers include: Indonesia (6-12 units from 2028 to 2032), Iran (36-48 units from 2035 to 2040), Kazakhstan (12-24 units from 2025 to 2035), China (up to 100 units from 2025 to 2035), Libya (12-24 units from 2025 to 2030), Malaysia (12-24 units from 2035 to 2040) and Syria (12-24 units from 2025 to 2030).
What's the meaning of this!?
 

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What's the meaning of this!?
It means the possible number of fifth gen. fighters(PAK-FA or its variants) that these countries(mentioned) can buy in the particular span of time(also mentioned) from Russia.
 

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No way. There is really no chance of CHINA getting its hands on PAKFA in the future. Because INDIA is starting the design of the fifth generation fighters right from the drawing board and INDIA is funding the development. So, there is no chance what so ever that CHINA may get the PAKFA. I think Russians have their own design of PAKFA. INDIA is developing its own design. So, may be the Chinese may get the Russian design. But they will never even get the real picture of the PAKFA which is developed jointly by INDIAN and RUSSIAN(Sukhoi) firms.
 

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No way. There is really no chance of CHINA getting its hands on PAKFA in the future. Because INDIA is starting the design of the fifth generation fighters right from the drawing board and INDIA is funding the development. So, there is no chance what so ever that CHINA may get the PAKFA. I think Russians have their own design of PAKFA. INDIA is developing its own design. So, may be the Chinese may get the Russian design. But they will never even get the real picture of the PAKFA which is developed jointly by INDIAN and RUSSIAN(Sukhoi) firms.
totally agree with you........
 

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It means the possible number of fifth gen. fighters(PAK-FA or its variants) that these countries(mentioned) can buy in the particular span of time(also mentioned) from Russia.
It is all the indian money that oiling the lamp for the PAKFA, there is no way that we allow this to happen. May be they will get a cranky burry version that to in 2030. But backdoor entries are not stoppable :D
 

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HAL to Play Major Role in Development of Indo-Russia Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA)


In a series of media interviews, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) chairman Mr. Ashok Nayak reveals that HAL will play a major role in the design and development of the Indo-Russian Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA). The USD $30-billion joint development agreement is expected to be launched with the signing of USD $295 million preliminary design contract during Russian president Dimitry Medvedev's visit to India in December 2010.



Quoting Mr. Ashok Nayak:

We will be a part of the team designing the IAF variant of the aircraft, and will be manufacturing it in India as well. While we have had certain amount of experience designing aircraft, playing a role in the design and development of next generation combat features, such as stealth and super cruise, will add to our knowledge
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We will be working on the single-seater combat aircraft to a certain extent. That is because we have to understand the entire design process of the aircraft and then move on to the twin-seater version
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Design, development and production of the aircraft will be shared between the two countries. Our pilots will be flying the aircraft. Whether this will be done in Bangalore or Nasik, is yet to be decided. We could build it in Nasik and fly it in Bangalore
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The company will have to expand. We have to ensure that we have that much more capacity to handle these (the Sukhoi and FGFA production lines). We need to achieve our timescales, and be slightly ahead of schedules. We also have to decide, how much work can be retained in-house, and the amount that can be done by outside industries
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Once the full design contract is signed, we will talk about the development and manufacturing aspect of the FGFA. Whether everything can be done in India, or some elements will have to be sourced from there, will be decided then. Sticking to the timescale will be critical




http://www.india-defence.com/reports-4640
 

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