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Indian FGFA will be real challenge for American F-22 : German Defense Expert Helmut

"Indian FGFA will be real challenge for American F-22 " claims German Defense Expert Helmut Hirsch , MR Hirsch in private conversation with our Admin ( idrw.org) , have said that FGFA which will be based on T-50 / Pak-FA will have major design changes to its fuselage due to twin pilot configuration and Indian Expertise in Composite will only enchance Stealth characters of the Aircraft .

MR Hirsch believes that Russians have compromised on stealth to keep the aircraft more maneuverable and under a tight budget to keep per aircraft cost under control , Russians simply cannot afford to have such a expensive plane in large numbers , but Indians seems to have realized that and will be doing 30 % of the design changes to improve stealth characters of the aircraft .

When asked if Indian Version will be more stealthy ? MR Hirsch seems confident on that matter , MR Hirsch also believes that real challenge for F-22 will come from Indian FGFA rather than F-35 or Chinese J-XX. MR Hirsch also adds that Indians will add best of technology (Avionics / Radars / Weapons ) from west in their version which makes it even more lethal then F-35 and a real challenge for F-22"²s Superiority .

MR Hirsch also added that F-22 is excellent aircraft but production of it which will stop just under 200 makes any one believe that aircraft has some real issues which have been kept under wraps but issues of rusting in airframe has already surfaced , and recent reports of USAF already looking for F-22 Replacement by 2030 all points to that direction .

MR Hirsch was also critical of F-35 , and slammed it for being over priced and expensive , and also went on to say that European countries who will ultimately purchase it and are partners in the program could have built among them self a better 5th Gen fighter just like Euro-fighter which he believes can take on F-35 in BVR fight .

NOTE : Above article is based on private conversion held between Ajay(Admin idrw.org) and renowned German Defense Expert Helmut Hirsch and reproduced with his permission, article is based on this views and his expertise's on FGFA . M R. Helmut Hirsch will not be writing on Indian defence matters , but idrw.org will consult him on his expertise on regular basis to get outside different point of view on Indian Defense matters .

Link: idrw.org

Its such a pleasant surprise to hear from you . I thought you will be last person on this earth to accept that FGFA will not be a bad plane . :emot112:

 

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[black eagle]

FAN ART:

 

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drag......

hawks....

fuel system and engine......

 

[neo29]

Russia, India 'likely' to sign 5G fighter contract in December

Russia and India are highly likely to sign a fifth-generation fighter design contract in December, Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov said on Thursday.

Russia's Sukhoi holding and India's Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) agreed in early 2010 to jointly develop a fifth-generation fighter jet. India confirmed that it had finalized a draft contract at a meeting with Russia in early October.

"If all procedures are completed by the time of our president's visit [to India] in December, the contract will be ready for signing," Ivanov said.

The new aircraft will be based on Russia's T-50 prototype fifth-generation fighter, which has already made several test flights, and is expected to enter service with the Russian Air Force in 2015.

idrw.org

 

[SHASH2K2]

Russia's second 5G-fighter to fly before yearend​

Flight trials of the second prototype of Sukhoi's fifth-generation fighter aircraft are due before the end of the year, Sukhoi holding CEO Mikhail Pogosyan said on Monday.

The first prototype of the fighter, codenamed T-50, made a maiden flight in late January and has conducted 40 in total, Pogosyan told journalists in Russia's Far East.

"The flight trial program is moving ahead faster than we expected," Pogosyan said.

He said talks with India's Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) on the joint development of the fifth-generation fighter aircraft are due to conclude before the end of the year.

Earlier reports said an agreement would be signed in December.

The new warplane is expected to enter service with the Russian Air Force in 2015.

 

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Russia to test another Sukhoi T-50 fifth-generation fighter


http://english.pravda.ru/russia/economics/22-11-2010/115873-russia_sukhoi_t_50-0/

Russia's Sukhoi design bureau will start testing another T-50 PAK FA fifth generation fighter jet until the end of the year. Mikhail Pogosyan, the head of the bureau, told reporters on November 22 that the first plane, which is currently being tested, had performed 40 flights. The official described the tests of the new plane as successful and fast.

The maiden flight of Russia's new fighter jet, produced with the use of stealth technology, took place on January 29 in Russia's Komsomolsk-on-Amur. The serial production of the fifth-generation fighter is expected to be launched in 2015. The PAK FA jet is said to replace MiG-29 and Su-27 in Russia's Air Force. The training of crews for T-50 is to begin in 2013. T-50 is expected to overcome Western analogues in terms of the price-efficiency correlation and raise significant interest on the international market. For the time, it is only the United States that has fifth-generation fighter jets.

According to Mikhail Pogosyan, Sukhoi currently has over 100 orders for the plane from Russia's defense ministry. More orders are to be signed next year, the official said. The total number of orders for PAK FA planes may reach 150, RIA Novosti reports.

Three years ago, the Russian Federation put forward a suggestion to India to participate in the creation of PAK FA. The two sides will spend approximately 8-10 billion dollars on the project. Two versions of the new plane are to be designed - with one and two seats.

Russia is expected to finish the talks regarding India's participation in the project until the end of the current year. The fifth-generation fighter jet is to be put into service in Russia and India in 2020.

In the future, the two countries intend to sell T-50 planes to other countries. Russia and India are working on an export modification of the plane. The export version of the plane is called FGFA - Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft. Sukhoi plans to produce 100 fifth-generation aircraft a year.

A fifth generation jet fighter, it is designed to directly compete with Lockheed Martin's F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II. The PAK-FA SH121 radar complex includes three X-Band AESA radars located on the front and sides of the aircraft. These will be accompanied by L-Band radars on the wing leading edges. L-Band radars are proven to have increased effectiveness against VLO targets which are optimized only against X-Band frequencies, but their longer wavelengths reduce their resolution.

The PAK-FA will feature an IRST optical/IR search and tracking system. Sukhoi recently demonstrated cockpit mock-ups, which may relate to both Su-35 or PAK-FA, suggest two very large MFDs and a very wide HUD.

As for its drawbacks, experts point out the improper use of the stealth technology in the production of PAK FA. Choosing between maneuverability and stealth, Sukhoi chose the first quality.

Experts also say that the electronic equipment of the T-50 does not meet the requirements of a fifth-generation jet.

Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin observed the flight of the T-50 fighter in June of this year in the Moscow region. It was a 16th test flight of the aircraft. Putin stated after the test that the new Russian fighter will be twice as cheap as its Western analogues, whereas its performance will exceed that of its prime competitor, the F-22 of the USA.

 

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[ace009]

I hope that the Indian version of the FGFA has better stealth features than the PAK-FA plans. I personally will rather have more stealth than maneuverability - as missile technologies develop, 15/20g missiles with ramjets will overcome any super-maneuverability of a target aircraft. The only way to evade them will be with superior stealth. I hope the ADA and IAF thinks similarly and plans accordingly.

 

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[Crusader53]

With talk of Russia selling Su-35's to China. Let's hope that it doesn't follow suite with PAK-FA's!:angry_10:

 

[ace009]

Only OK if the PAK-FA for export is a lot inferior to the Indian FGFA version ... :-D

 

[Crusader53]

Well, I've said all along. That India should buy the rights from Russia to market, build, and export a Strike Fighter (Bomber) Model of the PAK-FA. Something similar to todays F-15E/K Strike Fighter.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

With talk of Russia selling Su-35's to China. Let's hope that it doesn't follow suite with PAK-FA's!:angry_10:

PAK-FA suit is not ready yet, keeping that fact that PAK-FA is in devlponing stage and onle one prortype is flying..

SU-35 is a 100% developed fighter, therefore PAK-FA suit will be far developed and Indian FGFA will be having Russian- Euro-Israeli-Indian Sub system, Therefore we are much advance in coming days..

Regarding Chinese SU-35, Russians are playing desperate as US is now officially inside Indian Def Market..

After Chinese back-stab, Russian will give a heavily downgraded SU-35 in terms of Avionics, Also the radar will be a AESA of the current SU-30MKK radar, Only the common thing of Chinese SU-35 with FGFA will be the Engines..

 

[plugwater]

With talk of Russia selling Su-35's to China. Let's hope that it doesn't follow suite with PAK-FA's!:angry_10:

Did we fund for the development of Su-35 ?

If china is trying to get their hand on Pak-Fa means they have failed to develop their 5th gen aircraft(which is a good news).. Since we are contributing for Pak-Fa we ll have our say to which country the aircraft can be exported..

 

[hitenray09]

Did we fund for the development of Su-35 ?

If china is trying to get their hand on Pak-Fa means they have failed to develop their 5th gen aircraft(which is a good news).. Since we are contributing for Pak-Fa we ll have our say to which country the aircraft can be exported..

no we havent funded su 35
china didnt fail becoz it is in a developing phase as india is in its 5th gen program.
but we all know that russian arms are way better than chinese junks so oviously they would love to have a few of russian ammo so that they can reverse engineer it.

 

[Parthy]

Indian Government Comments on Indo-Russian FGFA (PAKFA) Programme

The Government of India entered into an agreement with the Russian Government for the development and production of a Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft on October 18, 2007 for cooperation in the Joint Development and Certification of Prospective Multi-Role Fighter Aircraft.

The agreement envisages joint production, joint marketing to third countries, sales, after sale support and disposal of aircraft after completion of their life-cycle. Subsequent to this Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) has signed a Confidentiality agreement on July 11, 2008, a General Contract on December 22, 2008 and a Memorandum on March 10, 2010. The estimated expenditure which is likely to be incurred for the programme is yet to be finalized.

The aircraft in service would have maintenance/repair and overhaul facilities in India. The Spares for Indian Air Force will be manufactured by HAL in India. Aircraft System Line Replaceable Units procured from other sources are proposed to be manufactured under Transfer of Technology. The exact details in this regard have not yet been finalized.

This information was given by Minister of State for Defence Shri MM Pallam Raju in a written reply to Shri MK Raghavan in Lok Sabha today.

http://www.india-defence.com/reports-4848

 

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