Sukhoi PAK FA

[maomao]

 

[Parthy]

I don't think there will be internal bay for weapons!!! Will that not have an effect on less radar cross section???

 

[black eagle]

I don't think there will be internal bay for weapons!!! Will that not have an effect on less radar cross section???

PAK-FA has internal bays for weapons.....

 

[black eagle]

True . PAK FA is less stealth than FGFA. Due to budget constraints Russians made it less stealth but when it comes to FGFA India is going to spend more money to make it stealthy. Infact FGFA could be a tough competitor not to the F-35 but to F-22.

PAK-FA is being made to match up to the F-22. I am not sure about your assessment on FGFA being stealthier than PAK-FA. Could you please give us any source?? Don't forget FGFA will be a twin seater. So a larger cockpit with more equipment can only increase RCS of an aircraft. So plz provide some source in support of your argument...

 

[Parthy]

PAK-FA has internal bays for weapons.....

Yeah.. You're right mate.. I just got carried away by the fuselage structure..

The primary BVR weapon to be carried by early production variants of the PAK-FA is the KTRV RVV-SD, an extended range evolution of the R-77 / AA-12 Adder similar to the AIM-120D. Note the laser proximity fuse supplanting the radiofrequency fuse

Very little has been disclosed to date on the intended weapons suite for the PAK-FA. The internal bays are claimed to fit eight AAMs. The limited width of the centre fuselage bays indicates that most likely these would each fit three staggered RVV-SD rounds, this being the latest variant of the R-77 / AA-12 Adder and a direct equivalent to the US AIM-120 AMRAAM series. To date only the active radar seeker equipped RVV-SD variant has been displayed, the intended heatseeking and anti-radiation variants have yet to be seen in mockup form or marketing literature.

While a new WVR AAM has been planned, it is likely that a derivative of the RVV-MD / R-74 Archer series will be used with early PAK-FA variants.

For very close air combat, a 30 mm gun mounted in the starboard forward fuselage will be employed - the type has not been disclosed to date but it is likely to be a variant of the GSh-30 series carried by the Su-35S Flanker.

With eight stations cited for external stores, and the diversity of guided bombs, ASMs and cruise missiles available for the Su-30MK/Su-35S Flanker series, there is no shortage of alternatives for external carriage by the PAK-FA7.

Internal weapons for strike roles are a much more interesting consideration, due to the limited volume of the internal bays. Recent designs known to have folding surfaces for internal carriage include the new KTRV Kh-38 and Kh-58UShKE Kilter.

It is likely, but yet to be confirmed, that KTRV are developing an analogue to the GBU-39/B Small Diameter Bomb.

Given the well established and managed aerodynamics of this area of the Flanker designs, weapon clearances from the internal bays across the whole of the PAK-FA's operational envelope should be achieved with little, if any, difficulties, and without the need for employment of exotic and heavy techniques such as aero-acoustic local flow control and shaping or similar.

 

[Anshu Attri]

 

[Anshu Attri]

 

[icecoolben]

will Indian Air Force accept the first 50 single-seaters with saturn 117s producing 142 kn of thrust, or is it going to insist on new salyut-saturn 175kn engine?

 

[Anshu Attri]

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

will the pak-fa prototype take part in aero india 2011?

 

[Anshu Attri]

Development of aircraft armament PAK FA will run parallel with the development of the fighter - CEO of a corporation Tactical Missiles

http://vpk.name/news/47636_razvitie_aviacionnogo_vooruzheniya_pak_fa_budet_idti_parallelno_s_razvitiem_samogo_istrebitelya__gendirektor_korporacii_takticheskoe_raketnoe_vooruzhenie.html

Moscow. December 14. Interfax-AVN - Corporation Tactical Missiles, "Aviation has been developing weapons of destruction for the fifth-generation fighter, and successfully carries out the state defense order, and develop military-technical cooperation with foreign countries.
"Long-Term Complex Frontal Aviation (PAK FA), the first phase will appear in the 2012-2013 year, this time to be ready and arms under him. Then with the development of the PAK FA will develop weapons", - told Interfax-AVN CEO Corporation, Tactical Missiles, Boris Obnossov.
He noted that with all due respect to the aircraft that just a platform to accommodate different types of armament. Further increasing the combat efficiency of the fighter will be achieved mainly through the arms. "This roughly 20-30 percent increase in building aircraft," - said Boris Obnossov.
Responding to a question, how is the implementation of a prisoner at MAKS-2009 contract for the supply of various Air Force aircraft missile, B. Obnosov said that the contract is fully executed. "We have an annual capacity of one company covers it," - he said.
B. Obnosov reported that the volume of the parent company corporation, located at the Queen, is 8 billion rubles. The volume of production of enterprises of all corporations $ 38 billion
According to B. Obnossov successfully implemented export contracts. He reported that the production corporation Tactical Missiles today delivered to China, Algeria, Venezuela, India, Vietnam, Malaysia and other countries.
Previously reported that at MAKS-2009 was signed a major contract for the purchase of advanced aviation ordnance acquired for the Russian Defense Ministry family fighters Su. "The cost of the contract - about 6 billion rubles," - said the Air Force Commander Col. Gen. Alexander Zelin said. He clarified that the matter concerns more than 14 names of the new weapon, which is able to meet the challenges imposed on the new equipment purchased or upgraded aircraft for Russian Air Force.
At the MAKS-2009 was also announced three contracts under which the company "Dry" to 2015 for the Russian Air Force to supply 48 advanced Su-35s, 12 Su-27SM, and 4 - Su-30M2.
The first flight of the fifth generation fighter was held on 29 January this year. According to experts, the PAK FA has several unique features, combining the functions of attack aircraft and fighter. Fifth-generation aircraft is equipped with a fundamentally new avionics, the integrating function of the e-pilot, "and promising radar with a phased array. This greatly reduces the load on the pilot and allows you to concentrate on the implementation of tactical tasks.
In the inner compartment of the fighter can be placed as missiles, air-to-air and air-to-surface missiles. In air-to-air missile is a large and short-range and medium-range missile development Design Bureau "Vympel".
Originally planned to equip aircraft missiles, air-to-air long-range development of the design bureau "Innovator", but on the results of the contests were decided in favor of product development Corporation "Tactical Missiles.
In air-to-surface missiles in an internal compartment can be placed antiship missiles, rockets modular general-purpose bombs and guided the caliber of 250 kg. Besides aircraft can carry guided missiles and bombs for various purposes caliber to 1500 kg external sling.
All managed air attack, planned to equip the aircraft, designed Corporation Tactical Missiles.

 

[RPK]

Russia and India fix T-50 fighter design contract cost at $295 mln

Russia and India have agreed the estimated cost of a design contract for their joint fifth-generation fighter project at $295 million, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) Chairman Ashok Nayak said in an interview with RIA Novosti.


"The cost of preliminary design is estimated at $295 million. The work is expected to be complete within 18 months," Nayak said.


Russia's Sukhoi holding and India's Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) agreed in early 2010 to jointly develop a fifth-generation fighter jet based on the prototype T-50 design. India confirmed that it had finalized a draft contract at a meeting with Russia in early October.


Nayak said the contract could be signed by the representatives of India's HAL and Russia's United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) during a visit by Russian President Dmitry Medvedev to India on December 20-22.
The two sides agreed to develop both a single-seat and a two-seat version of the aircraft by 2016, focusing on the single-seat version in the initial stages of development. The costs will be shared equally between Russia and India.

The first Russian prototype T-50 made its maiden flight in January 2010.
The new fighter aircraft is expected to enter service with the Indian Air Force by 2020.

NEW DELHI, December 16 (RIA Novosti

Russia and India fix T-50 fighter design contract cost at $295 mln | World | RIA Novosti

 

[SHASH2K2]

Russia and India fix T-50 fighter design contract cost at $295 mln
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Russia and India have agreed the estimated cost of a design contract for their joint fifth-generation fighter project at $295 million, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) Chairman Ashok Nayak said in an interview with RIA Novosti.

"The cost of preliminary design is estimated at $295 million. The work is expected to be complete within 18 months," Nayak said.

Russia's Sukhoi holding and India's Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) agreed in early 2010 to jointly develop a fifth-generation fighter jet based on the prototype T-50 design. India confirmed that it had finalized a draft contract at a meeting with Russia in early October.

Nayak said the contract could be signed by the representatives of India's HAL and Russia's United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) during a visit by Russian President Dmitry Medvedev to India on December 20-22.

The two sides agreed to develop both a single-seat and a two-seat version of the aircraft by 2016, focusing on the single-seat version in the initial stages of development. The costs will be shared equally between Russia and India.

The first Russian prototype T-50 made its maiden flight in January 2010.

The new fighter aircraft is expected to enter service with the Indian Air Force by 2020.

 

[Neil]

Naval variant of Sukhoi T-50 PAK FA

Navalized Sukhoi T-50 PAK FAs to be deployed on the Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov. The Sukhoi T-50 PAK FA will be deployed on Admiral Kuzetsov and future Russian Aircraft carriers.

The Fleet Admiral of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov, currently the only aircraft carrier serving as the flagship of the Russian Navy, will be upgraded, the media reported, quoting Navy sources. The aircraft carrier, due to enter in 2012, will be re-launched in 2017.

The Admiral Kuznetsov entered service with the Russian Navy in 1991 and was used for the operation of deck aircraft, the development of new tactics, including those for dealing with carriers of theoretical enemies.

In the late 1990s and the early 2000s, it was repeatedly proposed that the Admiral Kuznetsov, which remained inactive for long time periods, be decommissioned and sold for scrap.

However, an improved situation in the country gave the ship a new lease of life. Her propulsion unit and other equipment were repaired, and she started taking part in various high seas war games more often.

The upcoming large-scale modernization was motivated by the need to eliminate the ship's inherent drawbacks and to repair some of her units. Plans for docking the ship in 2010-2012 were discussed more frequently and have now been confirmed.

The carrier's air wing is to comprise 26 new Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29K,Fulcrum-D multi-role fighter aircraft, helicopters and navalized Sukhoi T-50 PAK FA (Future Frontline Aircraft System) fifth-generation fighters, currently under development.

The Sukhoi PAK FA is a fifth-generation jet fighter being developed by Sukhoi OKB for the Russian Air Force.It appears that 15-20 of these aircrafts will be built pending the ship's re-launching, which is likely to take place in 2020 rather than 2017.



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[Armand2REP]

Actually that $295 million is what India is paying for preliminary design of FGFA.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

hopefully the pak-fgfa be a better capable aircraft than f-22 or f-35

 

[DMF]

Actually that $295 million is what India is paying for preliminary design of FGFA.

Russia's Sukhoi holding and India's Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) agreed in early 2010 to jointly develop a fifth-generation fighter jet based on the prototype T-50 design. India confirmed that it had finalized a draft contract at a meeting with Russia in early October.
so the joint development of Indian's 5G fighter is based on the T50, the T50 already fly, we can say the most of the design works are already finished by the Russians themselves, India is only a customer, will buy a production line and components to assembly, not the designer of this new airplane, the Russia again will take advantage of India, you wait and see what will happen.

 

[Armand2REP]

Russia's Sukhoi holding and India's Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) agreed in early 2010 to jointly develop a fifth-generation fighter jet based on the prototype T-50 design. India confirmed that it had finalized a draft contract at a meeting with Russia in early October.

Drafting an agreement doesn't mean anything if it hasn't been signed... which it hasn't yet.

so the joint development of Indian's 5G fighter is based on the T50, the T50 already fly, we can say the most of the design works are already finished by the Russians themselves, India is only a customer, will buy a production line and components to assembly, not the designer of this new airplane, the Russia again will take advantage of India, you wait and see what will happen.

India has negotiated there way from 25% to 30% in the draft agreement. But the Russians have raised the price of development from $10b to $12 billion and expect India to pay half. If India gets anything less than a 50% work-share it is a shafting especially considering they are going to buy far more than Russia.

 

[Crusader53]

Navalized Sukhoi T-50 PAK FAs to be deployed on the Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov. The Sukhoi T-50 PAK FA will be deployed on Admiral Kuzetsov and future Russian Aircraft carriers.

The Fleet Admiral of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov, currently the only aircraft carrier serving as the flagship of the Russian Navy, will be upgraded, the media reported, quoting Navy sources. The aircraft carrier, due to enter in 2012, will be re-launched in 2017.

The Admiral Kuznetsov entered service with the Russian Navy in 1991 and was used for the operation of deck aircraft, the development of new tactics, including those for dealing with carriers of theoretical enemies.

In the late 1990s and the early 2000s, it was repeatedly proposed that the Admiral Kuznetsov, which remained inactive for long time periods, be decommissioned and sold for scrap.

However, an improved situation in the country gave the ship a new lease of life. Her propulsion unit and other equipment were repaired, and she started taking part in various high seas war games more often.

The upcoming large-scale modernization was motivated by the need to eliminate the ship's inherent drawbacks and to repair some of her units. Plans for docking the ship in 2010-2012 were discussed more frequently and have now been confirmed.

The carrier's air wing is to comprise 26 new Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29K,Fulcrum-D multi-role fighter aircraft, helicopters and navalized Sukhoi T-50 PAK FA (Future Frontline Aircraft System) fifth-generation fighters, currently under development.

The Sukhoi PAK FA is a fifth-generation jet fighter being developed by Sukhoi OKB for the Russian Air Force.It appears that 15-20 of these aircrafts will be built pending the ship's re-launching, which is likely to take place in 2020 rather than 2017.



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Is that like when Russia said it was developing 5 New Large Aircraft Carriers. With the first one to enter service by 2020!:emot100:


Nonetheless, that article was before the recent announcement that Russia's Carrier Program was put off until at least 2020. So, considering how Russia is struggling to find the resources. To replace its aging fleets of Military Hardware. I wouldn't count on seeing any Naval PAK-FA's for a very very long time. That is unless India decides to fund the majority of it. Which, I personally doubt as India has more than enough commitments as it is. Which, includes the Landbased Indian Model of the PAK-FA, MMRCA, MCA, IAC Carriers, etc. etc. etc.

 

[Crusader53]

Drafting an agreement doesn't mean anything if it hasn't been signed... which it hasn't yet.



India has negotiated there way from 25% to 30% in the draft agreement. But the Russians have raised the price of development from $10b to $12 billion and expect India to pay half. If India gets anything less than a 50% work-share it is a shafting especially considering they are going to buy far more than Russia.

Really, what has India gained from Russia in Sophisticated Technology thus far???