Sukhoi PAK FA

[kunal1123]

https://sputniknews.com/military/201703101051455656-russian-indian-fifth-gen-fighter-dispute/

Here is gems from Russia.

:biggrin2::biggrin2:

If these are today's technologies, and we have next generation technologies in the wings, then it may be advisable to consider their transfer."

here is some more ........

"Everything will turn out ok," the observer emphasized. "We will make them a fifth generation plane. They just need to pay."

Finally, Mikhail Alexandrov, a senior expert at the Center for Military-Political Studies at the Moscow State Institute of International Relations, pointed out that full-scale technology transfer is outside the practice of any country engaged in the creation of advanced weaponry.

"No state engages in the export of cutting edge weapons systems– especially systems which are still under development. And no one ever sells the technology behind these systems – it simply isn't done," the expert stressed.

Moscow, Alexandrov noted, must clearly and calmly emphasize to its Indian partners "that there are no other countries – the French or the Americans included, willing to share their tech and the intricacies of their aircraft [with India]. I think it's to Delhi's advantage to deal with Russia as things are. We offer them more than other countries, including participation in joint projects, which offers a chance to learn, plus the opportunity to assemble the planes themselves in Indian plants. I do not believe it is worth going beyond that."

“If we join now, we will still get a significant part of the work share, thanks to delays in the PAK-FA project. HAL would co-design the avionics, including navigation systems, radars and weapon aiming devices. This is the heart of the fighter’s combat ability”, says Raju.

no significant part on stealth , engine and other 5th gen technology.................?????????????
we are doing same what we have done in mki so what the point on spending additional 3 billion............ :
will they provided tot for maintenance and other ...........................
well he said one thing clear no one export of cutting edge weapons systems– especially systems which are still under development,
so i thing India gov. must increase in-house R&D . Focus Must be more on AMCA AND AURA UCV...........

 

[bhramos]

The name of the serial fighter of the fifth generation T-50 Su-57!!!

The Russian fighter of the fifth generation T-50, which was created as part of the PAK FA project, was named Su-57. This became known from the published article by Peter Butovsky and Anthony Ingran "Du PAK FA au Su-57" in the French magazine "Air & Cosmos".

The article also indicates that the official announcement of the name of the new model of the aircraft was scheduled to be announced when President Vladimir Putin visited the international aerospace show MAKS-2017. There the head of Russia was going to visit the hangar with the T-50.

However, due to changes in the president's route, it was necessary to announce the serial name of the aircraft ahead of the planned time.

During the MAKS-2017, the head of the United Aircraft Corporation Yuri Slyusar reported on the completed stage of the test operations and plans to start the delivery of the aircraft in 2019.

Recall that the testing model of the T-50 aircraft began in January 2010. The beginning of delivery of cars was planned to begin in 2016, but the date had to be postponed for economic reasons. The Russian Air Force needs more than 200 units of this type of fighter.

https://rueconomics.ru/264559-stalo-izvestno-nazvanie-seriinyh-istrebitelei-pyatogo-pokoleniya-t-50

 

[Tshering22]

Our fundamental weakness has been our strength itself in foreign policy; we are not allied to anyone but ourselves.

As a smaller world power surrounded by two major unstable and hostile states, it is not a good thing.

Let's examine the case one by one of all nuclear powers.

1- Israel; none of its neighbours have nuclear capabilities. And they make sure that they continue to have a first move advantage.

We cannot do that.

Score: others 1; us 0.

2- China - for decades they relied on the strategic fear of nuclear missiles and built up their conventional capabilities. Today they are powerful beyond measure. Their conventional forces are four times ours. Their economy is four times ours at the very least. They are completely self reliant in case of a full blown war which we are not.

Score: others 1; us 0.

3- North Korea - there's a reason why I am mentioning this decrepit state here. And that is pure tactical brilliance. NK has been cash starved for years.

So for all these years, they ensured to keep Seoul and Tokyo within their range through archaic but very practical means.

Now they have nukes which makes them immune to a ROK/ Japanese assault.

Soon, they'll have capability to strike US mainland.

I am not even talking about USA and Russia as they were the first superpowers after WW2.

Whar we need to realise is the sheer. Strategic thought process that went into designing a phalanx system before these countries became invincible in their own rights.

This is where India failed.


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[IndianHawk]

- Israel; none of its neighbours have nuclear capabilities. And they make sure that they continue to have a first move advantage.

There neighbors don't need nukes. Israel is a tiny strip of land with total population of 8million. They can be wiped out with conventional weaponary easily.

- China - for decades they relied on the strategic fear of nuclear missiles and built up their conventional capabilities. Today they are powerful beyond measure. Their conventional forces are four times ours. Their economy is four times ours at the very least. They are completely self reliant in case of a full blown war which we are not.

Score: others 1; us 0.

Chinese are surrounded by Russia , Japan , south Korea , Vietnam and india. They have 3 times more landmass to defend than India. There equipment is worse then India forget comparing to Japan or USA or even Russia. There economy is time bomb . There total debt is 250 % of the GDP . It takes 6$ of debt today to generate a 1$ of growth. There are so insecure as a nation that they can't allow their own people to debate or desent.

North Korea - there's a reason why I am mentioning this decrepit state here. And that is pure tactical brilliance. NK has been cash starved for years.

So for all these years, they ensured to keep Seoul and Tokyo within their range through archaic but very practical means.

Now they have nukes which makes them immune to a ROK/ Japanese assault.

Soon, they'll have capability to strike US mainland.

There people are still piss poor. Who are running out of country to seek asylum everywhere in the world. There are so dependent on china that it's a shame to even call them a nation. If china won't feed them they would simply die of hunger.

I am not even talking about USA and Russia as they were the first superpowers after WW2.

Russia total GDP is $1300 billion. Yes almost half of India . At PPP Russia is barely one third of Indian GDP. Defense is a niche where Russia excells thanks to Soviet inheritance but that market too it's loosing fast.

USA has 20 trillion of debts .but other things are favourable to USA so I'll give you that one .

Weaponary is just a part of the power picture always try to look at the complete picture . Now compare India objectively with all these . You shall find we are stronger than we might appear.

 

[Zero-Sum-Game]

please, don't fan the fire and stop being pessimistic in your outlook towards INDIAN progress.its funny that you mention NORTH KOREA 's capabilities . we dont engage in security theater which propaganda masters like CHINA and NORTH KOREA usually engage in . just google them out ,?ok

 

[smestarz]

Seems it is as you said Su-57
Congratulations you got it right

Well, now we have the info about MAKS-2017.
T-50-9 (1-09) will be presented to Vladimir Putin and Indian delegation in closed facility during Day 1 or 2.
Also after these events VKS and UAC have promised to make a special press-conference to announce a real T-50 designation under which it will be commissioned to VKS inventory.
I bet for Su-57

 

[sorcerer]

Indo-Russian Gen-5 fighter gets green light; $6 bn negotiated for joint R&D


The decks are clear for the ministry of defence (MoD) to sanction the long-delayed Indo-Russian project to jointly develop a cutting-edge “Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft” (FGFA).Business Standard learns that an Experts Group, headed by Air Marshal (Retired) S Varthaman, has submitted a report on July 7, finding that the FGFA project would be beneficial to India.

After MoD bureaucrats objected to the FGFA project on the grounds that it might duplicate, or hinder, the indigenous Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA), former defence minister Manohar Parrikar set up the five-person Experts Committee to consider this question.

After deliberating for six months, the Expert Committee has ruled there are no conflict lines between the FGFA and AMCA. In fact, the technological expertise that Indian engineers and designers would gain from working with Russian experts would feed positively into the AMCA project.

Meanwhile, the Defence R&D Organisation, through its subordinate Aeronautical Development Agency, can continue designing the entirely indigenous AMCA – based on its experience in developing the Tejas light fighter.

New Delhi and Moscow signed an Inter-Governmental Agreement (IGA) a decade ago, in October 2007 for Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) to partner Russia’s Sukhoi Design Bureau in developing and manufacturing the FGFA. Between 2010-23, HAL and Sukhoi spent $295 million each on a “Preliminary Design” phase.

Now, the two sides are required to sign an “R&D Contract”, which the MoD told parliament on July 5, 2013, would “define the total scope; the work share and responsibilities of each side; and the financial implications of the programme.”

Reliable sources tell Business Standard that India and Russia have negotiated a draft R&D Contract, which commits both sides to spending $6.1 billion on the project –$3.05 billion each.

While India has dragged its heels for a decade since signing the IGA, Sukhoi Design Bureau has already designed the basic flying platform, named Perspektivny Aviatsionny Kompleks Frontovoy Aviatsii, or “Prospective Airborne Complex of Frontline Aviation” (PAK-FA).

At least six PAK-FA prototypes are already participating in flight-testing and flying displays, such as at the recent Paris Air Show. The draft R&D Contract commits Sukhoi to build the eighth, ninth and tenth prototypes for flight-testing in HAL, by Indian Air Force (IAF) pilots.

That means that, if the R&D Contract is signed this year, IAF pilots could be testing FGFA prototypes in Indian skies by 2020.

HAL chief, T Suvarna Raju, declined to comment on the Experts Group report, but told Business Standard that an early conclusion of the R&D Contract would allow HAL to play an important role in developing the PAK-FA flying platform into a combat effective FGFA for the IAF.

“If we join now, we will still get a significant part of the work share, thanks to delays in the PAK-FA project. HAL would co-design the avionics, including navigation systems, radars and weapon aiming devices. This is the heart of the fighter’s combat ability”, says Raju.

Delays in the PAK-FA’s development are attributable partly to hitches in designing a new, powerful engine that would let the fighter “super-cruise”, or travel at supersonic speeds on “dry thrust”, without engaging its fuel-guzzling afterburners. While engine-maker NPO Saturn has struggled to perfect a secretive new engine, dubbed the Izdeliye 30, the PAK-FA has been flying with the relatively underpowered AL-41FI engine – an uprated version of the Sukhoi-30MKI’s AL-31 engine.

However, at the Paris Air Show in July, Russian designers have claimed that the PAK-FA’s new engine would be ready to fly by December.

For the IAF, the FGFA project opens up the assured development of heavy fighters that will succeed the Sukhoi-30MKI, many of which have already completed 15-17 years in operational service. In the medium fighter category, the IAF would have two Rafale squadrons, possibly three if a follow up contract is signed for an extra squadron; and also three upgraded Mirage-2000 squadrons. In the light fighter category, there will be four squadrons of Tejas Mark 1A, and another light fighter for which procurement has been initiated. Amongst the contenders are the Swedish Saab Gripen E, and Lockheed Martin’s F-16 Block 70.

The FGFA is equally crucial for HAL’s Nashik plant, which is now building the last 35 Sukhoi-30MKI fighters of the 272 fighters contracted by the IAF. At a build rate of 12 fighters per year, the Sukhoi-30MKI production line will be idle by 2020. It remains unclear how many FGFA units the IAF will eventually buy, but for HAL Nashik, a production order is essentia.

http://www.business-standard.com/ar...-negotiated-for-joint-r-d-117073000429_1.html

 

[kunal1123]

From Br Post ....
"From LCA dhaga
ramana wrote:Also I think LCA design group will work on PAK-FA and transition to AMCA.

I don't think so. I think FGFA is going to be completely HAL's baby. And from what I have heard about Russians' way of working, they will want to keep the work as much separated as possible from other HAL projects/divisions. FGFA work will be based in HAL Nashik I suppose and not in BLR. HAL Nashik was formed away from BLR at the insistence of Russians to keep their systems segregated from other divisions. Similarly the new Tumkur plan for KA-226 will be kept separated from HAL's own Heli division, is what I here from some ex-HAL birdie. Though not 100% authentic panwalla piece, it makes sense. This also falls in line with what I have seen/heard about tech received from Su-30MKI in bits and pieces so far.

With MP at the helm, I would have had more hopes. But with him gone and no sign of a dedicated RM let alone a good one, I don't have much hopes that PAK-FA will be any different in terms of teaching us anything that we can use elsewhere, than what Su-30MKI did. May be a little better ownership of systems thanks to the better contract being put up by current dispensation under MP. Anyways the times lines do not give much gap for things to be ported from PAKFA to AMCA, unless of coarse AMCA is kept on rolling like LCA for long time, while finish line being moved farther ahead all the time."

Now my Question is :- How Hal is going to help in AMCA if it come in manufacturing part and all R&D is done by ADA ?
What is the use of TOT (if any ) we are getting in FGFA When major R&D part(as it say) of FGFA is not helping AMCA ?

 

[IndianHawk]

Now my Question is :- How Hal is going to help in AMCA if it come in manufacturing part and all R&D is done by ADA ?
What is the use of TOT (if any ) we are getting in FGFA When major R&D part(as it say) of FGFA is not helping AMCA ?

We don't know yet who will do what regarding AMCA. Role of ADA and HAL is yet to be clarified.

Similarly FGFA development team might have members from iaf , Hal and ADA.

Some members will be rotated among all projects for cross - learning .

If we get access to pak-fa prototype now in order to develop FGFA prototype in 3-4 years than we might learn a lot from that .

The prototype development of FGFA is same time frame as for prototype of AMCA. So a lot of help can be gained .

But this is all hypothetical . I don't have faith in Hal learning capacity. And I have faith that Russian won't open their cards.

So fingers crossed.

 

[TPFscopes]

PAK FA '509" with its LEVCONs deflected.
The PAK FA and the Naval LCA are two aircraft which field the LEVCONs for increased controlability at low speed and high alphas.

 

[Adioz]

This thread:-
10% Technical details and discussion about the topic.
10% Pak-Fa walking the ramp (or flying it).
10% Pak-Fa vs other birds.
65% Will Russia ToT or won't it.
1% Philosophy.
4% Just plain out of topic BS.
0.01702127659% This post of mine (so excuse me if its just me ranting).

Things are down to the point that I had stopped reading it, cause whenever I did, that 65% would suddenly jump out and punch me in the balls. Pak Fa has given me blue balls.

Our fundamental weakness has been our strength itself in foreign policy; we are not allied to anyone but ourselves.

As a smaller world power surrounded by two major unstable and hostile states, it is not a good thing.

Let's examine the case one by one of all nuclear powers.

1- Israel; none of its neighbours have nuclear capabilities. And they make sure that they continue to have a first move advantage.

We cannot do that.

Score: others 1; us 0.

2- China - for decades they relied on the strategic fear of nuclear missiles and built up their conventional capabilities. Today they are powerful beyond measure. Their conventional forces are four times ours. Their economy is four times ours at the very least. They are completely self reliant in case of a full blown war which we are not.

Score: others 1; us 0.

3- North Korea - there's a reason why I am mentioning this decrepit state here. And that is pure tactical brilliance. NK has been cash starved for years.

So for all these years, they ensured to keep Seoul and Tokyo within their range through archaic but very practical means.

Now they have nukes which makes them immune to a ROK/ Japanese assault.

Soon, they'll have capability to strike US mainland.

I am not even talking about USA and Russia as they were the first superpowers after WW2.

Whar we need to realise is the sheer. Strategic thought process that went into designing a phalanx system before these countries became invincible in their own rights.

This is where India failed.


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@IndianHawk @Zero-Sum-Game You guys completely missed the point.

@Tshering22 is not talking about India and its progress vis-a-vis the countries he mentions. He is talking about countries that are trying to make the best of the situation they are in. He is talking about being smart. While we have been somewhat smart, we have much room for improvement.

Its not weaponry, but its having your opponent's balls in your hands (gross analogy? pardon me). The situation is reverse in our case, where we are trying to arm ourselves for a two-front war without backup from any allies (Dont tell me we have backup. Even if we do, our policy is to plan for our defense without it). Pakistan has us in knots because they were able to develop nukes and put us in an embarassing position where they can, despite of being a MUCH weaker country, of simply neutralise most of our advantages by a nuclear strike. They have us by our balls due to their hybrid war in Kashmir. We are not loosing, but neither are they. And they are the underdog. Now coming to China, it has been able to leverage its superiority over us and has done quite a lot. Do we have China by the balls? Maybe in Malacca, but its irrelevant and self-defeating.

There neighbors don't need nukes. Israel is a tiny strip of land with total population of 8million. They can be wiped out with conventional weaponary easily.



Chinese are surrounded by Russia , Japan , south Korea , Vietnam and india. They have 3 times more landmass to defend than India. There equipment is worse then India forget comparing to Japan or USA or even Russia. There economy is time bomb . There total debt is 250 % of the GDP . It takes 6$ of debt today to generate a 1$ of growth. There are so insecure as a nation that they can't allow their own people to debate or desent.



There people are still piss poor. Who are running out of country to seek asylum everywhere in the world. There are so dependent on china that it's a shame to even call them a nation. If china won't feed them they would simply die of hunger.



Russia total GDP is $1300 billion. Yes almost half of India . At PPP Russia is barely one third of Indian GDP. Defense is a niche where Russia excells thanks to Soviet inheritance but that market too it's loosing fast.

USA has 20 trillion of debts .but other things are favourable to USA so I'll give you that one .

Weaponary is just a part of the power picture always try to look at the complete picture . Now compare India objectively with all these . You shall find we are stronger than we might appear.

please, don't fan the fire and stop being pessimistic in your outlook towards INDIAN progress.its funny that you mention NORTH KOREA 's capabilities . we dont engage in security theater which propaganda masters like CHINA and NORTH KOREA usually engage in . just google them out ,?ok

 

[kunal1123]

The prototype development of FGFA is same time frame as for prototype of AMCA. So a lot of help can be gained .

But this is all hypothetical . I don't have faith in Hal learning capacity. And I have faith that Russian won't open their cards.

So fingers crossed.

well that what it say . i don't know who play what part but i think R&D and prototype part should follow AMCA/LCA Pattern in term of angency involved .
So fingers crossed............

 

[IndianHawk]

They have us by our balls due to their hybrid war in Kashmir. We are not loosing, but neither are they.

If neither is winning then it is safe to conclude that we are winning given that we have more numbers , more money , more stability . What is end game for pakistan???

We have Indus river in our hands , it's lifeline of pakistan . Why do you think pakistan wanted to capture Kashmir in the first place if not to control indus.??

Do we have China by the balls? Maybe in Malacca, but its irrelevant and self-defeating

No we don't . But neither does china have is by the balls. China can get closer to Pakistan in turn we get closer to Japan and USA == china looses more.

China uses pak as proxy against India == India itself becomes an enemy of china == Chinese military strength get divided against USA , Japan ,Russia and India == china loose more ??

Whatever china can do we can turn it against her pretty comfortably.

 

[bhramos]

Seems it is as you said Su-57
Congratulations you got it right

my reaction

.......................................................

 

[Sidd]

This thread:-
10% Technical details and discussion about the topic.
10% Pak-Fa walking the ramp (or flying it).
10% Pak-Fa vs other birds.
65% Will Russia ToT or won't it.
1% Philosophy.
4% Just plain out of topic BS.
0.01702127659% This post of mine (so excuse me if its just me ranting).

Things are down to the point that I had stopped reading it, cause whenever I did, that 65% would suddenly jump out and punch me in the balls. Pak Fa has given me blue balls.



@IndianHawk @Zero-Sum-Game You guys completely missed the point.

@Tshering22 is not talking about India and its progress vis-a-vis the countries he mentions. He is talking about countries that are trying to make the best of the situation they are in. He is talking about being smart. While we have been somewhat smart, we have much room for improvement.

Its not weaponry, but its having your opponent's balls in your hands (gross analogy? pardon me). The situation is reverse in our case, where we are trying to arm ourselves for a two-front war without backup from any allies (Dont tell me we have backup. Even if we do, our policy is to plan for our defense without it). Pakistan has us in knots because they were able to develop nukes and put us in an embarassing position where they can, despite of being a MUCH weaker country, of simply neutralise most of our advantages by a nuclear strike. They have us by our balls due to their hybrid war in Kashmir. We are not loosing, but neither are they. And they are the underdog. Now coming to China, it has been able to leverage its superiority over us and has done quite a lot. Do we have China by the balls? Maybe in Malacca, but its irrelevant and self-defeating.

You are wrong here when you say nobody is losing in Kashmir, mind you India is losing in Kashmir, it is losing it's people and it's soldier. Pakistani strategy is so strong that they can turn our own people(Kashmir) against us i.e. by creating indeginous kashmiri terrorists.
They are working through their proxies, hurriyat etc. And until now our govt. Was doing nothing but providing security to them.
If we play the same level of game that Pakistan is playing, we should have destroyed their Punjab state by now.
We are losing in Kashmir, think about it.

 

[KumarG]

This thread:-
10% Technical details and discussion about the topic.
10% Pak-Fa walking the ramp (or flying it).
10% Pak-Fa vs other birds.
65% Will Russia ToT or won't it.
1% Philosophy.
4% Just plain out of topic BS.
0.01702127659% This post of mine (so excuse me if its just me ranting).

Things are down to the point that I had stopped reading it, cause whenever I did, that 65% would suddenly jump out and punch me in the balls. Pak Fa has given me blue balls.



@IndianHawk @Zero-Sum-Game You guys completely missed the point.

@Tshering22 is not talking about India and its progress vis-a-vis the countries he mentions. He is talking about countries that are trying to make the best of the situation they are in. He is talking about being smart. While we have been somewhat smart, we have much room for improvement.

Its not weaponry, but its having your opponent's balls in your hands (gross analogy? pardon me). The situation is reverse in our case, where we are trying to arm ourselves for a two-front war without backup from any allies (Dont tell me we have backup. Even if we do, our policy is to plan for our defense without it). Pakistan has us in knots because they were able to develop nukes and put us in an embarassing position where they can, despite of being a MUCH weaker country, of simply neutralise most of our advantages by a nuclear strike. They have us by our balls due to their hybrid war in Kashmir. We are not loosing, but neither are they. And they are the underdog. Now coming to China, it has been able to leverage its superiority over us and has done quite a lot. Do we have China by the balls? Maybe in Malacca, but its irrelevant and self-defeating.

Well said. Albeit off topic, the problem with us is always of the attitude - we are too defensive in our strategic thinking and actions; always reacting, two moves behind, catching up, chasing others' tails, you get the idea...

Look at CPEC and String of Poops as an example - it's a strategic game-changer taking Malacca out of the equation. Could we have foreseen something like this? Yes, we have always known those 2 were going to be conspiring together. If we were pro-active we would've blocked the chances of it happening by taking over PoK a long time ago.

I mean, when was the last time we made the fuckers go "shit, that was unexpected, how do we catch up?" (strategically)?

 

[KumarG]

No we don't . But neither does china have is by the balls. China can get closer to Pakistan in turn we get closer to Japan and USA == china looses more.

China uses pak as proxy against India == India itself becomes an enemy of china == Chinese military strength get divided against USA , Japan ,Russia and India == china loose more ??

Whatever china can do we can turn it against her pretty comfortably.

China has us by the balls so much that we can't even squeal "daddy" about CPEC. Once Gwadar is live, there will be very little we will be able to do beyond our small region. As for blocking it in GB, that is increasingly becoming a pipe-dream, I'm afraid, without us waging a full-throttled 2-front war (which we will probably never have an appetite for, unless otherwise militarily provoked).

 

[scatterStorm]

:biggrin2::biggrin2:



here is some more ........

"Everything will turn out ok," the observer emphasized. "We will make them a fifth generation plane. They just need to pay."

Finally, Mikhail Alexandrov, a senior expert at the Center for Military-Political Studies at the Moscow State Institute of International Relations, pointed out that full-scale technology transfer is outside the practice of any country engaged in the creation of advanced weaponry.

"No state engages in the export of cutting edge weapons systems– especially systems which are still under development. And no one ever sells the technology behind these systems – it simply isn't done," the expert stressed.

Moscow, Alexandrov noted, must clearly and calmly emphasize to its Indian partners "that there are no other countries – the French or the Americans included, willing to share their tech and the intricacies of their aircraft [with India]. I think it's to Delhi's advantage to deal with Russia as things are. We offer them more than other countries, including participation in joint projects, which offers a chance to learn, plus the opportunity to assemble the planes themselves in Indian plants. I do not believe it is worth going beyond that."




no significant part on stealth , engine and other 5th gen technology.................?????????????
we are doing same what we have done in mki so what the point on spending additional 3 billion............ :
will they provided tot for maintenance and other ...........................
well he said one thing clear no one export of cutting edge weapons systems– especially systems which are still under development,
so i thing India gov. must increase in-house R&D . Focus Must be more on AMCA AND AURA UCV...........

It was always a "nut job", why waste so many pages on this thread with pointless arguments!

 

[scatterStorm]

This thread:-
10% Technical details and discussion about the topic.
10% Pak-Fa walking the ramp (or flying it).
10% Pak-Fa vs other birds.
65% Will Russia ToT or won't it.
1% Philosophy.
4% Just plain out of topic BS.

Exactly, at-least somebody said it ...

 

[IndianHawk]

China has us by the balls so much that we can't even squeal "daddy" about CPEC. Once Gwadar is live, there will be very little we will be able to do beyond our small region. As for blocking it in GB, that is increasingly becoming a pipe-dream, I'm afraid, without us waging a full-throttled 2-front war (which we will probably never have an appetite for, unless otherwise militarily provoked).

This is off topic so my last post on the matter!!

CPEC is a symbolic coup, nothing more nothing less. All they have built is a single highway at karakorom mountain which can only ply single line of vehicles that too at average speed of 10 km per hour or even less. This also gets blocked by snow and avalanche in winter and only operational for few months.

So thinking that it will be alternative oil route for chinese is ludicrous.

And yes we wouldn't block it unless a full fledged war is upon us. But technically all it will take is 4-5 bombs dropped at right location or 2-3 missiles.

Geography of Himalayas is our friend not chinese.