Sukhoi PAK FA

[smestarz]

The useless UPA Govt was neither secular nor peaceful. it was impotent Govt whose top people were used to be being funded by the fake indian currency being circulated by them.
That is why the talks of "peace" is to ensure that they are funded by their handlers also purchasing new planes and weapons ensures that the other side does the same and they get their own kick backs.

UPA never had the vision for indian strategy, MMS simply went world touring like a retire on wondeful benefits. There is a difference being peaceful and being impotent. Japan is peaceful , UPA made India impotent.

Well said. Albeit off topic, the problem with us is always of the attitude - we are too defensive in our strategic thinking and actions; always reacting, two moves behind, catching up, chasing others' tails, you get the idea...

Look at CPEC and String of Poops as an example - it's a strategic game-changer taking Malacca out of the equation. Could we have foreseen something like this? Yes, we have always known those 2 were going to be conspiring together. If we were pro-active we would've blocked the chances of it happening by taking over PoK a long time ago.

I mean, when was the last time we made the fuckers go "shit, that was unexpected, how do we catch up?" (strategically)?

 

[smestarz]

Just to summarise the thoughts of other members
1. GET some Su-57 prototypes and test them
2. Learn about the plane also advice some changes that might be required.
3. Also try to learn if there are other External PODs etc that we might require for say Su-57 MKI and ask them to be tested and certified.
4. Use the ToT to learn about various new technologies and try to incorporate that knowledge in say LCA Mk 2
5. Let AMCA be designed from this knowledge.
6. Develop "WEAPON CARRIER " drones, these should be armed (as required) perhaps by A2G for regular operations and in case of conflict by long range A2A. and these planes should fly independently but within range of say Su-30 MKI or Su-57 the roles of these drones should be like replenshible magazines or ammo carrier, which are then used by the superior plane like Su-30 MKI as its "loader" thus Sukhoi planes provide the targeting co-ordinates and these planes fire the missiles at the provided targets thus multiplying the force effectively

My Version of 6th Gen plane is not technically advanced but something cheaper than Tejas but with sole role to carry more weapons load like A-10 and drop them at the whim and fancy of our Aggressor planes.

 

[indus]

Had a chat over chai with someone in HAL. FGFA is a done deal with HAL already preparing shelters and support infra for fgfa to come. So Su 30line will churn out fgfa after 2020 22 perhaps. Plus hal is working on a quick service model to turn around idle planes into working within 3 4 days...

 

[smestarz]

Thank you for the inside info, but I would prefer to wait for the official word.
Just getting curious, any word about the Super Sukhoi upgrade.,..
Thats something that everyone seems to have forgotten about.
So is it like the moment Su-57 MKI is signed they start to water down the tech to get into Su-30 MKI ??

Had a chat over chai with someone in HAL. FGFA is a done deal with HAL already preparing shelters and support infra for fgfa to come. So Su 30line will churn out fgfa after 2020 22 perhaps. Plus hal is working on a quick service model to turn around idle planes into working within 3 4 days...

 

[indus]

Thank you for the inside info, but I would prefer to wait for the official word.
Just getting curious, any word about the Super Sukhoi upgrade.,..
Thats something that everyone seems to have forgotten about.
So is it like the moment Su-57 MKI is signed they start to water down the tech to get into Su-30 MKI ??

Probably its delayed and will take time to be approved. However some Sukhois have bn approved for nuke role. That s all it can be said as of now

 

[Chirag]

The useless UPA Govt was neither secular nor peaceful. it was impotent Govt whose top people were used to be being funded by the fake indian currency being circulated by them.
That is why the talks of "peace" is to ensure that they are funded by their handlers also purchasing new planes and weapons ensures that the other side does the same and they get their own kick backs.

UPA never had the vision for indian strategy, MMS simply went world touring like a retire on wondeful benefits. There is a difference being peaceful and being impotent. Japan is peaceful , UPA made India impotent.

come out of illusion and think about the present situation of our country

 

[TPFscopes]

come out of illusion and think about the present situation of our country

China has an example to share , about how they defeat india.
Do you know who is actually behind that defeat?
answer is: the person who always chant "HINDI CHINI BHAI BHAI".

 

[TPFscopes]

Probably its delayed and will take time to be approved. However some Sukhois have bn approved for nuke role. That s all it can be said as of now

I think most of the work is already completed to ink this deal.
hopefully, deal will be signed by year end or early next year...

 

[smestarz]

Once we have an aerial deterrent like Su-57. the Chinese will push for the development of J-20 further and also try to threaten us with nuclear ability. But it is important to have the conventional force strong enough to at least blunt the Chinese conventional threat.

I think most of the work is already completed to ink this deal.
hopefully, deal will be signed by year end or early next year...

 

[bhramos]

India should co-produce stealth fighter with Russia, says top panel
India has a requirement for 120-130 swing-role planes with stealth features for increased survivability, advanced avionics, smart weapons, top-end mission computers and 360-degree situational awareness.
INDIA Updated: Aug 03, 2017 23:47 IST

Rahul Singh
Hindustan Times, New Delhi

A stealth fighter plane Sukhoi T-50 flies during a display at Zhukovsky airport outside Moscow.(HT FIle)

• first to report on February 11 that the government had constituted a committee under the Air Marshal to assess viability of building the stealth fighter with Russia.
  
  “We were given a task and we have submitted our report to the government. That’s all I can tell you,” Varthaman told HT, refusing to share the details of the report. The committee has pointed out that India would significantly gain from partnering with Russia through the transfer of cutting-edge technology, sources said. The four-member panel looked into various aspects of the project for around five months.
  
  India and Russia are yet to sign a $4-billion research and development contract for the FGFA. India has already spent Rs 1,500 crore in the preliminary design stage, which was completed in June 2013 on the basis of a contract inked with Russia.
  
  India has a requirement for 120-130 swing-role planes with stealth features for increased survivability, advanced avionics, smart weapons, top-end mission computers and 360-degree situational awareness.
  
  The ability to super cruise or sustain supersonic speeds in combat configuration without kicking in fuel-guzzling afterburners is a key Indian requirement. However, the IAF continues to have reservations about the project due to the high cost and the extent of technology transfer, a senior official said.
  
  Indian military planners are hoping that the technology the FGFA project brings to India would help a programme to build an indigenous stealth fighter or the advanced medium combat aircraft.
  
  The first AMCA prototype could be built in 10-12 years.
  
  
• http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...s-top-panel/story-mPrhroM6ftEOSFldOtunnJ.html

 

[bhramos]

Russian Fans made for Fun...

 

[TPFscopes]

Once we have an aerial deterrent like Su-57. the Chinese will push for the development of J-20 further and also try to threaten us with nuclear ability. But it is important to have the conventional force strong enough to at least blunt the Chinese conventional threat.

Yup, that is why FGFA is pushed with too high thurst.
As soon as j-31 will be completed, Chinese will provide some of them to Pak as another debt.
So, FGFA & AMCA both are very important to Counter Chinese conventional strength of PLAAF.

 

[Anshu Attri]

The source said that the new flying prototype of a fifth-generation Russian fighter for the first time climbed into the sky. This is an instance of T-50-11 with tail number 511.

https://naked-science.ru/article/tech/novyy-su-57-sovershil-svoy-pervyy

According to the information from the source in the aviation industry, August 6, 2017 for the first time rose into the sky a new prototype fifth-generation fighter PAK FA (Sukhoi PAK FA). At the moment, let's remind, the car has already received a name - Su-57. Official confirmation of the first flight of T-50-11 was not received. Photos of the new aircraft and information about the chosen for him camouflage scheme, too, yet. Previous PAK FA - a copy of T-50-9 - received an original "half-pixel" color. Previously, we used several different camouflage schemes.

The first information about the forthcoming flight T-50-11 appeared long ago. This aircraft was to become the tenth flight prototype. Meanwhile, it was completed faster than the T-50-10, which, according to reports, was delayed due to the need for a partial alteration.

T-50-11 and T-50-10 are the latest Su-57 prototypes. They complete the pilot batch, after which the pre-series production of the aircraft should begin, followed by pilot operation in the Air Force. The possible period for taking the fighter into service is the beginning of the 2020s, although it can not be ruled out that it will be moved closer to the middle of the next decade.

To the copy of the T-50-11, special attention is focused: the earlier information appeared that the serial Su-57 will receive the same glider as its (the prototype glider has been remodeled several times as the aircraft is improved). Declared also, That the serial car will receive a set of on-board equipment from T-50-9. However, both these theses have not been confirmed. Meanwhile, it is quite obvious that each new flight model of the PAK FA is more approximate to the serial version than the previous ones

 

[Kchontha]

At present the only fighter aircraft that can rival American F22 is Russian T50 Pakfa/SU57 and it's maturing fast. No country will share fifth generation fighter aircraft technology with India and Russia is the only country willing to offer TOT in this area in respect to Sukhoi/HAL FGFA programme. This is win-win situation for both the countries as Russian needs funds while India needs high ends technology. India shouldn't lose this opportunity otherwise Chinese will cash in. One can argue that IAF top brass (which is always myopic) has reservation about FGFA baseline aircraft T50 on filmsy grounds such as its stealth feature and engine. One should remember that T50 present engine AL41 is more powerful and fuel efficient than any engine of the aircraft IAF has ever operated. Besides Chinese has interest at this engine which also powers su35 because of its thrust and fuel efficiency.

 

[TPFscopes]

@gadeshi
Is there any information about expected MTBO and life time of item-30?

 

[TPFscopes]

Enjoy the pic of a super sleek jet, looking like an ARROW

 

[gadeshi]

@gadeshi
Is there any information about expected MTBO and life time of item-30?

6K to 8K hours lifetime with MTBO each 2K hours.

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[TPFscopes]

6K to 8K hours lifetime with MTBO each 2K hours.

That's fantastic.

Will you please share something Official about item-30's MTBO and life time

 

[Kchontha]

@ gadrshi, Wow! That's great. Definitely that is an improvement over AL 41 F1S (Izdeliye 117S) lifetime of 4K with MTBO 1K. Is it official? Please provide the source.

 

[gadeshi]

That's fantastic.

Will you please share something Official about item-30's MTBO and life time

Of course, if and when it will be officially published.

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