Sukhoi PAK FA

[sasi]

 

[sasi]

Photos of Russia’s T-50 PAK FA in high-res : theBRIGADE

 

[Indianboy]

With Gen 5 fighters, India's airpower set to soar

India's airpower is set to increase exponentially with the scheduled induction of Rafale medium multi-role combat aircraft and the unveiling of the fifth generation fighter being developed in collaboration with Russia.

The initial version of a fighter plane, being jointly developed by India and Russia and tipped to be one of the most-advanced in the world, will be unveiled in India in 2014.

The Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) with stealth features is slated to be inducted in the Indian Air Force by 2022.

The two sides are close to signing a key contract expected to be worth over USD 11 billion for research and development phase of the project in the near future.

"The first prototype of the FGFA is scheduled to arrive in India by 2014 after which it will undergo extensive trials at the Ojhar air base (Maharashtra)"¦ we are hopeful that the aircraft would be ready for induction by 2022," IAF Chief Air Chief Marshal N A K Browne told PTI.

The IAF Chief was in Russia in the second week of August where he reviewed the progress made in the programme and the prototypes of the aircraft developed by the Sukhoi Design Bureau at Zhukovsky there.

The second prototype will arrive in India in 2017 and the third prototype will arrive in 2019. Based on the experience of test-flights of the each prototype, the final version of the FGFA would be developed for operational service, Browne said.

India plans to acquire 214 of these fighter planes by the end of 2030 at an estimated cost of over USD 30 billion.

Russia has already developed three prototypes of the aircraft which are being used for carrying out test-flights. The aircraft will have stealth features and its size would be smaller than that of the frontline Su-30 MKI.

The design of the aircraft is expected to be finalised by the two sides later this year. The two sides had signed an agreement for the design of the plane last year.

 

[ashicjose]

This picture remind me some African beauties .......

 

[arnabmit]

Does IAF doctrine have scope for Strategic Bombers?

Part of India's contribution to the PAK FA project might be utilized for PAK DA.

 

[bhramos]

 

[sasi]

This picture remind me some African beauties .......

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[Defcon 1]

Does IAF doctrine have scope for Strategic Bombers?

Part of India's contribution to the PAK FA project might be utilized for PAK DA.

We are already developing AURA for the role of bombers.

 

[Payeng]

We are already developing AURA for the role of bombers.

The question of Strategic bomber have been discussed before AURA will not be able to act like a strategic bomber, first off all India cannot produce her own stratigic bomber, second strategic bombers are not available for sales.

What Strategic bombers does is Mass Destruction, and no one is willing to sell India a WMD.

 

[average american]

And Then There Were Four T-50s In The Air

And Then There Were Four T-50s In The Air
by James Dunnigan
January 6, 2013

The Russian answer to the American F-22, the T-50 (or PAK-FA), now has four prototypes in operation. The fourth one made its first flight on December 12th. The T-50 flew for the first time in January 2010. Six more prototypes are on order and, if all goes well, the first 60 production models will be ordered in 2015 and be delivered by the end of the decade.

All has not gone well so far. So far T-50 development has been delayed two years and more delays are expected. The current plan is for mass production starting in 2019. This is according to India, which is collaborating with Russia in the development of this Russian designed fighter. The delay worries India because they are picking up half the $6 billion dollar development cost. These delays mean rising costs. Moreover, the $6 billion only covers work on the basic aircraft. All the avionics will be extra, and India is unclear of how much extra. India has had serious (and expensive) problems with Russian development cost projections before. Undeterred, India planned to buy 250 (now reduced to 200) of the new T-50s, for about $100 million each. An increasing number of Indians now see the T-50 possibly following the same cost trajectory as the F-22.

Russians and Indians have been doing a lot of tinkering since the first T-50 flew. While the T-50 is the stealthiest aircraft the Russians have, it is not nearly as stealthy as the F-22, or even the F-35 or B-2. The Russians are apparently going to emphasize maneuverability instead of stealth. India wants more stealth and would prefer a two-seat aircraft. There are also problems perfecting the engines for the T-50 and the defensive electronics are proving difficult to perfect. This puts the T-50 at a big disadvantage against the F-22 or F-35, which try to detect enemy aircraft at long distance, without being spotted, and then fire a radar guided missile (like AMRAAM). These problems are apparently the main reason for the two year delay.

The Russians want to sell their "Fifth Generation Fighter" (the T-50, which they admit is not true 5th Gen) to China, India, and other foreign customers. With the Indian participation, Russia now has the billions of dollars it will take to carry out the T-50 development program. India is not just contributing cash but also technology and manufacturing capability.

The T-50 is a 34 ton fighter that is more maneuverable than the 33 ton Su-27 it will replace, has much better electronics, and is stealthy. It can cruise at above the speed of sound. It also costs at least fifty percent more than the Su-27. That would be some $60 million (for a barebones model, at least 50 percent more with all the options), about what a top-of-the-line F-16 costs. The Su-27 was originally developed to match the American F-15.

Russia is promising a fighter with a life of 6,000 flight hours and engines good for 4,000 hours. Russia promises world-class avionics, plus a very pilot-friendly cockpit. The use of many thrusters and fly-by-wire will produce an aircraft even more maneuverable than earlier Su-30s (which have been extremely agile).

The T-50 is not meant to be a direct rival for the F-22 because the Russian aircraft is not as stealthy. But if the maneuverability and advanced electronics live up to the promises, the aircraft would be more than a match for every fighter out there except the F-22. If such a T-50 was sold for well under $100 million each there would be a lot of buyers. For the moment the T-50 and the Chinese J-20 are the only potential competitors for the F-22 that are in development. Like the F-22, T-50 development expenses are increasing, and it looks like the T-50 will cost at least $120 million each (including a share of the development cost) but only if 500 or more are manufactured. Russia hopes to build as many as a thousand. Only 187 F-22s were built because of the high cost. American developers are now seeking to apply their stealth, and other technologies, to the development of combat UAVs. Thus by the time the T-50 enters service, in 7-10 years, it may already be made obsolete by cheaper, unmanned, stealthy fighters.
And Then There Were Four T-50s In The Air

 

[p2prada]

Re: And Then There Were Four T-50s In The Air

And Then There Were Four T-50s In The Air
by James Dunnigan
January 6, 2013

All has not gone well so far. So far T-50 development has been delayed two years and more delays are expected. The current plan is for mass production starting in 2019.

And Then There Were Four T-50s In The Air

The author is mixing up the Russian PAKFA program with the Indian FGFA program.

PAKFA is progressing as planned. Mass production is expected to start in 2014.

FGFA was the one that was delayed by two years. Mass production is expected to start in 2019.

Both are similar but completely different projects.

Strategy page is not considered a serious website for defense related matters. There's a lot of bull crap in the article.

 

[Shirman]

Pak-Fa may originally be delivered to RuAF in 2014 (The final prototypes)

Introduction is planned in 2015

Currently they r working on integrating new missiles, new " Gold plated F-22 styled Stealth Cockpit" and may go for flat nozzles.....which i am personally highly doubtful...

@ p2prada @ Austin Sirs r Russians goin to develop some new RAM material Skin on Pak fa.....some told me Su-47 berkut had them on limited surface areas....

 

[average american]

To me India paying half the research and development cost for planes that going to be sold to their most potential enemys Pakistan and China makes no sense to me. The USA wont sell the F22 to even our closest allies and makes anyone useing US technology sign agreements up the Ying Yang not only to protect the technology but to see its not compromised in case of war. The USA bought a couple dozen SU29s and between training pliots to fight them in red flag exercises and developing electronic counter measuress made the Mig 29 useless against the USA air force. I dont get it.

 

[sathya]

To me India paying half the research and development cost for planes that going to be sold to their most potential enemys Pakistan and China makes no sense to me. The USA wont sell the F22 to even our closest allies and makes anyone useing US technology sign agreements up the Ying Yang not only to protect the technology but to see its not compromised in case of war. The USA bought a couple dozen SU29s and between training pliots to fight them in red flag exercises and developing electronic counter measuress made the SU29 useless against the USA air force. I dont get it.

you mean mig 29 ss

that why electronics and few other avionics, india will integrate ion its own.
only other country(leaving china) which has 5 th generation aircraft is US with its strings .
there arent much option. CURRENTLY.

 

[average american]

you mean mig 29 ss

that why electronics and few other avionics, india will integrate ion its own.
only other country(leaving china) which has 5 th generation aircraft is US with its strings .
there arent much option. CURRENTLY.

European would be a better choice I think.

 

[SajeevJino]

@average american

Please verify MiG 29s or Su 29

Su 29 is a Spotrs Plane ...and Heared that US buys some MIG 29 From Polish

 

[average american]

@average american

Please verify MiG 29s or Su 29

Su 29 is a Spotrs Plane ...and Heared that US buys some MIG 29 From Polish

We bought 21 MiG-29 bombers from the Moldovan Government, think we got some more other places.

 

[Somreet Bhattacharya]

To me India paying half the research and development cost for planes that going to be sold to their most potential enemys Pakistan and China makes no sense to me. The USA wont sell the F22 to even our closest allies and makes anyone useing US technology sign agreements up the Ying Yang not only to protect the technology but to see its not compromised in case of war. The USA bought a couple dozen SU29s and between training pliots to fight them in red flag exercises and developing electronic counter measuress made the Mig 29 useless against the USA air force. I dont get it.

But Sir, the Indian MiGs even the 21s had a very good track record against the most advanced US fighters in the Red Flags..what is it with all the secrecy then?

 

[average american]

But Sir, the Indian MiGs even the 21s had a very good track record against the most advanced US fighters in the Red Flags..what is it with all the secrecy then?

The less any potential enemy of the USA knows about how military technology the better if it comes to war.

 

[ersakthivel]

But Sir, the Indian MiGs even the 21s had a very good track record against the most advanced US fighters in the Red Flags..what is it with all the secrecy then?

It was because the AWACS was not used in the drill as agreed by both the teams.