Su-30 MKI

[Galaxy]

So most likely we will be operating around 230 MKI by 2015 which will translate into 13 squadron. :thumb:

 

[ace009]

How many fighters are there in a squadron? Earlier it used to be 12, I thought now it is more like 20 - in that case 230 will be more like 11.5 -squadrons - right?

 

[nrj]

Squadron strength varies between 16-18. One MKI squadron consists of 18 fighter AFAIK.

 

[SpArK]

99 out of 180 Sukhoi-30 MKI aircraft delivered till 2010-11


Thursday, 24 November 2011
New Delhi: Minister of State for Defence MM Pallam Raju said that out of the total 180 Sukhoi-30 MKI aircraft, 99 aircraft have been delivered till 2010-11. Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) has started manufacturing of Sukhoi-30 MKI fighters in the country.


The government has asked the HAL to speed up their manufacturing of Su-30 MKI fighters. The steps taken by HAL for timely manufacturing of such fighters include commissioning of additional tooling jigs & fixtures in manufacturing and assembly Shops, increased Outsourcing, development of alternate vendors, improvements in manufacturing processes & Operations in order to reduce cycle time, effective monitoring and timely actions through Enterprise Resource Planning (ERP) and recruitment/redeployment of manpower in critical work Centers.


The Inter-Governmental Agreement (IGA) was concluded on 4th October 2000, between the Governments of Russian Federation and Republic of India for transfer of License and Technical Documentation to India, for production of 140 Su-30 MKI Aircraft, its Engines and Aggregates. The Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) accorded its approval for the Project on 18/12/2000 and the Government sanction was issued in January 2001. As per the sanction, the production capacity envisaged was 12 aircraft per Year.


As per the CCS sanction dated 18/12/2000, the project was to commence from the year 2004-05 and be completed by 2017-18. However, in June 2005, Air Headquarters requested HAL, to explore the feasibility of compressing the delivery programme by three years. Accordingly, HAL submitted a Proposal which envisaged compressed delivery of 140 aircraft within 2014-15. CCS accorded its approval for the compressed delivery programme on 31/03/2006. As per the revised sanction, the Production capacity envisaged Was 16 aircraft per Year.


Subsequent to CCS Sanctions, contracts were concluded with IAF for supply of 140 Su-30 MKI aircraft by 2014-15. Further contract for supply of additional 40 SU-30 MKI aircraft was concluded with IAF for completion within 2014-15, along with earlier order of 140 aircraft.






MACHINIST - 99 out of 180 Sukhoi-30 MKI aircraft delivered till 2010-11

 

[Galaxy]

HAL may not meet SU delivery deadline

New Delhi, Nov 23, DHNS: The Bangalore-based Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) may not be able to deliver the remaining 81 Su-30 MKI fighter planes to Indian Air Force (IAF)"ˆwithin the contract period that ends in 2014-15. Five years ago, the IAF entered into an agreement with the HAL for the supply of 180 Su-30 MKI by 2014-15. "Out of the total 180 aircraft, 99 aircraft have been delivered till 2010-11," Defence Minister A K Antony informed the Rajya Sabha on Wednesday. But going by the information shared by Antony, HAL does not seem to be in a position to fulfill its contracted commitment, as its assembly line can produce only 16 aircraft every year. This means in the remaining four yers, HAL can at best produce 64 aircraft and may require at least another year to deliver the 17 others. As per the initial contract between IAF and HAL approved by the Cabinet Committee on Security in December 2000, the Su-30 project was to commence from 2004-05 and be completed by 2017-18. In June 2005, Air Headquarters requested HAL to explore the feasibility of compressing the delivery programme by three years. HAL submitted a proposal envisaging compressed delivery of 140 aircraft within 2014-15, which was approved by the CCS in 2006 . Antony said his ministry was in the process of procuring six mid-air refullers from the global market. The ministry wants to conclude the contract in two and half years from the date of issuing the tender. Currently, India has six IL-78 mid-air refullers that have increased the IAF's strategic reach. An earlier defence ministry effort to purchase an European refueller did not fructify. HAL may not meet SU delivery deadline

 

[ace009]

So, HAL got ERP software implemented in 2011 only? With their enormous budget, advanced machinery and manufacturing facilities, how were they coping before? Paper memos and ledger books? No wonder they have lower manufacturing rate and bad standards.
I wonder when GOI will have ERP softwares implemented in all departments and public enterprises.

 

[Neil]

 

[ace009]

So, HAL CANNOT deliver Hawks, LCA Tejas, LCH on time and now MKIs are not on time. Is there ANY IAF Order that HAL is doing on time?

 

[p2prada]

You are complaining about our most successful defence PSU.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

So, HAL CANNOT deliver Hawks, LCA Tejas, LCH on time and now MKIs are not on time. Is there ANY IAF Order that HAL is doing on time?

This is a good question since sukhois are delivered in kits and just need to be assembled?? Maybe testing everything is causing the delays??

 

[p2prada]

Current MKIs are made from scratch Lethal.

 

[ace009]

You are complaining about our most successful defence PSU.

HAL may have developed the know how and the abilities to manufacture the MKI, that does not mean they have the expertise to do a good job.
IMHO, HAL needs real business leaders in it's management. People who know how to run six-sigma manufacturing, how to deliver products on time, quality control and customer expectation management. In short, PRIVATISE the damn PSU.

 

[p2prada]

Buy the company if you can. Even Tata and Ambani wont even if they can. More than blaming HAL blame bureaucracy and red tape.

 

[p2prada]

Quality control on MKI is handled by the Russians. IAF has not yet complained about quality on MKI. Management is very good. Probably the best we have among all PSUs. The delays in HAL is a fraction of DRDO's.

 

[ace009]

Buy the company if you can. Even Tata and Ambani wont even if they can. More than blaming HAL blame bureaucracy and red tape.

I thought private companies foreign and domestic were lining up to buy shares in HAL IPO. What happened there?

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Current MKIs are made from scratch Lethal.

MAKS 2011: New 'Super' Version of Sukhoi Su-30MK Announced | Aviation International News

To date, 170 Irkut-built Su-30MK series aircraft are in service with the Indian, Algerian and Malaysian air forces out of "over 300" ordered. Irkut continues to supply assembly kits to Hindustan Aeronautics Limited of India, which is gradually mastering Su-30MKI license production.

 

[Galaxy]

MAKS 2011: New 'Super' Version of Sukhoi Su-30MK Announced | Aviation International News

To date, 170 Irkut-built Su-30MK series aircraft are in service with the Indian, Algerian and Malaysian air forces out of "over 300" ordered. Irkut continues to supply assembly kits to Hindustan Aeronautics Limited of India, which is gradually mastering Su-30MKI license production.

It's only 149 operational as of now.

99 by HAL, 50 direct from Russia.

Production rate = 16 Per year.

So, By 2016 - We will induction 230.

2016-2018 - 42 Super MKI (No. will move to 272) [ If more order then no. will increase and will be inducted between 2018-2020]

 

[LETHALFORCE]

It's only 149 operational as of now.

99 by HAL, 50 direct from Russia.

Production rate = 16 Per year.

A second production facility was offered by Russia 2 -3 years ago why we did not take this offer has always puzzled me??

 

[Galaxy]

A second production facility was offered by Russia 2 -3 years ago why we did not take this offer has always puzzled me??

Because MoD process are pathetic.

We should have opted another facility to induct 40-50 MKI in 3 years. By that way around 2015-2016, We will be operating around 300. Our Air force would have become very strong.

You can understand, I can understand but don't know MoD/GoI don't have such brain ?? They are bunch of armchair idiots.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Because MoD process are pathetic.

We should have opted another facility to induct 40-50 MKI in 3 years. By that way around 2015-2016, We will be operating around 300. Our Air force would have become very strong.

You can understand, I can understand but don't know MoD/GoI don't have such brain ?? They are bunch of armchair idiots.

Russians were hoping we could jointly manufacture and possibly export and train 3rd party nations why this was not considered or pursued just shows the terrible decision process when politicians make decisions in defense.