Su-30 MKI

[Galaxy]

 

[SpArK]

nice pic.. nice job..

 

[Immanuel]

First fully Indian made MKI takes to the skies.

Desi Sukhoi does supersonic ballet on debut | Sukhoi | Indian Air Force | The New Indian Express

Gr8 day, so far 99 made by HAL, 50 delivered by Russia, fleet level stands at 149.

Finally deep TOT is complete!

 

[p2prada]

Finally. Been saying that since long. HAL has proven itself once again.

 

[Galaxy]

HAL has so far delivered 99 Sukhois to the IAF, out of a total order of 180, produced under licence from Russia at an approximate cost of Rs 250-300 crore each.

"HAL will have to complete the deliveries by 2014-15, but we expect a delay of three years,

We purchased 50 Su-30K aircraft from Sukhoi in Russia in 1996 and acquired a license to manufacture an additional 140+40 = 180 fighters at HAL.

So, We have 99 + 50 = 149 means 9 Squadron (16 - 18 aircraft each) should be operational. But Only 7 operational as per earlier news. So, Where are rest MKI? 8)

 

[bhramos]

We purchased 50 Su-30K aircraft from Sukhoi in Russia in 1996 and acquired a license to manufacture an additional 140+40 = 180 fighters at HAL.

So, We have 99 + 50 = 149 means 9 Squadron (16 - 18 aircraft each) should be operational. But Only 7 operational as per earlier news. So, Where are rest MKI? 8)

the first batch of one squadron of Su-30K were returned to Russia... so there could be 8 sqdns for now....

 

[Galaxy]

the first batch of one squadron of Su-30K were returned to Russia... so there could be 8 sqdns for now....

As per news,

Of the initial 50 aircraft procured, 8 were basic Su-30MKs, 10 Su-30Ks, 10 Su-30MKIs with canards, and the remaining 22 Su-30MKIs with canards and AL-31FP engines, the thrust vectoring version of AL-31 engines fitted on the earlier aircraft. All the 50 aircraft acquired have since been upgraded to Su-30MKI standard.

Never heard any new that it was returned, It was only done for upgradation which happened long way back.

Fifty Su-30MKIs, produced in Russia by Irkut, were delivered to the IAF by the end of 2007. Under an October 2007 deal valued at around $1.6 billion, Irkut is currently producing 40 additional Su-30MKIs for the service which will be inducted in 2012-13.

http://battlemachines.blogspot.com/2010/01/indian-air-force-may-acquire-more-su.html

So, Today 99 + 50 =149 should be operational if news is correct

By 2014 total 230 (149 + 40 by irkut + 41 by Hal) should be operational as after 2014 HAL will start production of last 42 Super MKI out of 272.

 

[SHASH2K2]

Few basic version sukhois were returned back to russia as they were extensively used for training and had exceeded their stress limit. Not sure if their replacements came or not.

 

[p2prada]

We purchased 50 Su-30K aircraft from Sukhoi in Russia in 1996 and acquired a license to manufacture an additional 140+40 = 180 fighters at HAL.

So, We have 99 + 50 = 149 means 9 Squadron (16 - 18 aircraft each) should be operational. But Only 7 operational as per earlier news. So, Where are rest MKI? 8)

There was another order of 40 aircraft from Russia which was signed in 2007. They should be fully delivered by this year end or next year beginning. We don't know the exact number of operational aircraft.

 

[Param]

There was another order of 40 aircraft from Russia which was signed in 2007. They should be fully delivered by this year end or next year beginning. We don't know the exact number of operational aircraft.

Do you mean 40 new fresh MKIs directly from Russia?

 

[Galaxy]

There was another order of 40 aircraft from Russia which was signed in 2007. They should be fully delivered by this year end or next year beginning. We don't know the exact number of operational aircraft.

That is different one.

50 direct from Russia - All inducted in 2002 and upgradation MKI standard done by 2007. All 50 operational.

140 will be produced by HAL - 99 Already done.

Irkut is making 40 MKI with air variant Brahmos - Operational by 2012-2013.

Hal will start production of 42 Super MKI in 2014/15. (2 extra beside 40 due to crash). Operational by 2018.

--->> Total 272.


By 2014-15, Total 230 will be operational. (13 squadron)

2 Bareilly, 2 Lohegaon in Pune, 1 Jodhpur, 1 Chabua (Assam), 1 Tezpur (Assam), 1 Jorhat (Assam), 1 Halwara (Punjab), 1 A&N island, 1 Kalaikunda (W.B.), 1 more in W.B. (Bhagdora near Sikkim or near Kolkatta), 1 more at western front which might be already operational.

 

[Galaxy]

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[p2prada]

Do you mean 40 new fresh MKIs directly from Russia?

Yeah. New ones.

@ Galaxy

These 40 being made in Irkut are not meant to carry air version of Brahmos. These are the regular MKIs that HAL has been manufacturing. The delivery schedule is meant for this year and the next.

Out of the fresh 42 ordered, all will be Super MKIs but none of them are confirmed to be able to carry Brahmos. The 40 aircraft meant to carry Brahmos will be done from existing inventory, I am guessing both the Pune squadrons will be sent to Irkut(2) and HAL(38 ). They will be converted to Super MKIs during the same time.

Also, we publicly don't know whether the 42 aircraft ordered will be built in India or Russia. Considering the article shows 180 for HAL, it is possible HAL won the contract.

 

[Galaxy]

@ Galaxy

These 40 being made in Irkut are not meant to carry air version of Brahmos. These are the regular MKIs that HAL has been manufacturing. The delivery schedule is meant for this year and the next.

Out of the fresh 42 ordered, all will be Super MKIs but none of them are confirmed to be able to carry Brahmos. The 40 aircraft meant to carry Brahmos will be done from existing inventory, I am guessing both the Pune squadrons will be sent to Irkut(2) and HAL(38 ). They will be converted to Super MKIs during the same time.

Also, we publicly don't know whether the 42 aircraft ordered will be built in India or Russia. Considering the article shows 180 for HAL, it is possible HAL won the contract.

Yes, you are correct. Last 42 ordered is not yet confirmed that who will built HAL or Russia.

As far as, 40 Air variant Brahmos, I am not sure as there was no confirm news whether it will be upgrdation or new one. Let keep our fingers crossed. We will know most likely by 2012 end. Hopefully, till then 180 odd MKI will be operational.

 

[SPIEZ]

Yeah. New ones.

@ Galaxy

These 40 being made in Irkut are not meant to carry air version of Brahmos. These are the regular MKIs that HAL has been manufacturing. The delivery schedule is meant for this year and the next.

Out of the fresh 42 ordered, all will be Super MKIs but none of them are confirmed to be able to carry Brahmos. The 40 aircraft meant to carry Brahmos will be done from existing inventory, I am guessing both the Pune squadrons will be sent to Irkut(2) and HAL(38 ). They will be converted to Super MKIs during the same time.

Also, we publicly don't know whether the 42 aircraft ordered will be built in India or Russia. Considering the article shows 180 for HAL, it is possible HAL won the contract.

Sir, aren't the MKI's built with part French and part Israeli electronics and avionics.

Will they be fitted on board the Russian MKI's ???Or will they be similar to the Su-35 which are operated by Russia ?

 

[p2prada]

Yes, you are correct. Last 42 ordered is not yet confirmed that who will built HAL or Russia.

As far as, 40 Air variant Brahmos, I am not sure as there was no confirm news whether it will be upgrdation or new one. Let keep our fingers crossed. We will know most likely by 2012 end. Hopefully, till then 180 odd MKI will be operational.

The 40 meant to carry Brahmos is confirmed news. They will come from existing inventory. 2 MKIs have already been sent to Russia.

 

[p2prada]

Sir, aren't the MKI's built with part French and part Israeli electronics and avionics.

Will they be fitted on board the Russian MKI's ???Or will they be similar to the Su-35 which are operated by Russia ?

Yes. Whatever the Indian made MKIs carry the Russian made MKIs will carry.

 

[SPIEZ]

Yes. Whatever the Indian made MKIs carry the Russian made MKIs will carry.

I am assuming the license for the other Foreign equipment was given to India. If other countries use it, will it not be an infringement of the license given to India, or will they be later re-fitted in India ?

 

[p2prada]

I am assuming the license for the other Foreign equipment was given to India. If other countries use it, will it not be an infringement of the license given to India, or will they be later re-fitted in India ?

I don't know the minute details about the contract. But Israeli components are mainly in the EW department and come in the form of pods, so they can be installed at our own bases. They have provided jammer pods, LITENING pods for dropping LGBs and recce pods. The French equipment is meant for navigation, it is rather important they install it in during manufacturing. The Russians have access to French stuff and that's how they delivered to Malaysia and other countries.

BTW, I forgot to say this in the previous post but you don't have to call me sir.

 

[Galaxy]

Manufacturing of Sukhoi-30 MKI by HAL

The Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) has started manufacturing of Sukhoi-30 MKI fighters in the country. The Inter-Governmental Agreement (IGA) was concluded on 4th October 2000, between the Governments of Russian Federation and Republic of India for transfer of License and Technical Documentation to India, for production of 140 SU-30 MKI Aircraft, its Engines and Aggregates. The Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) accorded its approval for the Project on 18/12/2000 and the Government sanction was issued in January 2001. As per the sanction, the production capacity envisaged was 12 aircraft per Year. The government has asked the HAL to speed up their manufacturing of Su-30 MKI fighters. As per the CCS sanction dated 18/12/2000, the project was to commence from the year 2004-05 and be completed by 2017-18. However, in June 2005, Air Headquarters requested HAL, to explore the feasibility of compressing the delivery programme by three years. Accordingly, HAL submitted a Proposal which envisaged compressed delivery of 140 aircraft within 2014-15. CCS accorded its approval for the compressed delivery programme on 31/03/2006. As per the revised sanction, the Production capacity envisaged Was 16 aircraft per Year. Subsequent to CCS Sanctions, contracts were concluded with IAF for supply of 140 8U-30 MIG aircraft by 2014-15. Further contract for supply of additional 40 SU-30 MKI aircraft was concluded with IAF for completion within 2014-15, along with earlier order of 140 aircraft. Out of the total 180 aircraft, 99 aircraft have been delivered till 2010-11. The steps taken by HAL for timely manufacturing of such fighters include: "¢ Commissioning of additional tooling jigs & fixtures in manufacturing and assembly Shops. "¢ Increased Outsourcing. "¢ Development of alternate vendors. "¢ Improvements in manufacturing processes & Operations in order to reduce cycle time. "¢ Effective monitoring and timely actions through Enterprise Resource Planning (ERP). "¢ Recruitment/Redeployment of manpower in critical work Centers. Press Information Bureau English Releases