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[Lonewarrior]

SCAR H/L is other option they must copy even if they can get it right in a year or so they can easily grab the contract.

Sue..sue...sue....sue.

 

[Tuco]

Sue..sue...sue....sue.

They can name it becar, who will sue for becar?

 

[Chinmoy]

Lol.....it seems you got fooled by a simple election tactic.

1. We don't need 7.62x51mm snipers. We need .338 LM, and it's not on the list.

2. This list says 7.62x51mm sniper.

3. And it also says upgradation of Dragunovs.

Now what is the general conclusion when you combine these three points?

The real problem is, we see our whole MIC revolving around just ministry of defense. There is one another huge segment under HM which goes conveniently unnoticed among all this.
IA doesn't need 762 NATO Sniper en mass, but state police and CAPF do require them. We are still importing SSG, PSGs in numbers for different state as well as CAPF units. So this means that to supplement these guns we need to have some other options in hand.

As far as election tactic is concerned, our citizens don't give a two hoot importance to defense manufacturing. As long as freebies are getting distributed, govt is doing a great job. Let army take care of defence however they do. So this embargo list only means for a handful like us.

 

[Lonewarrior]

There is one another huge segment under HM which goes conveniently unnoticed among all this.
IA doesn't need 762 NATO Sniper en mass, but state police and CAPF do require them. We are still importing SSG, PSGs in numbers for different state as well as CAPF units. So this means that to supplement these guns we need to have some other options in hand.

Well no denial or argument on this point, totally agree on your POV.
But this sector is very niche.
Whoever needed a sniper is already having one or are in the process of getting one. Moreover this list don't apply to off the shelf emergency procurement.

As far as election tactic is concerned, our citizens don't give a two hoot importance to defense manufacturing.

Trust me, it will happen. Surely general populace is unaware of all the technicalities, but this simple statement that we banned foreign import to bolster local production will do the job.

The day high ranking officers and chiefs started coming on media like representatives of Dassault, to justify how Rafale is the silver bullet we need, I lost all faith in government.

 

[Chinmoy]

Trust me, it will happen. Surely general populace is unaware of all the technicalities, but this simple statement that we banned foreign import to bolster local production will do the job.

The day high ranking officers and chiefs started coming on media like representatives of Dassault, to justify how Rafale is the silver bullet we need, I lost all faith in government.

The voters will be more inclined towards voting for a OFB production line in Amethi rather then looking into whether its making AK or SMLE in it.

But lets not discuss politics here.

 

[Lonewarrior]

But lets not discuss politics here.

Sure, no point doing a d*ck measuring competition or as you said politics.

But sadly that's what going to decide each and every deal here. Be it Bofors or AK-103M.

 

[Suryavanshi]

But lets not discuss politics here.

Indian defence is no Pentagon yo.

If Indian Civil servants and government hold military on Ransom than we have to discuss about politics.

 

[Chinmoy]

Sure, no point doing a d*ck measuring competition or as you said politics.

But sadly that's what going to decide each and every deal here. Be it Bofors or AK-103M.

I was talking about election politics.

 

[Chinmoy]

Well no denial or argument on this point, totally agree on your POV.
But this sector is very niche.
Whoever needed a sniper is already having one or are in the process of getting one. Moreover this list don't apply to off the shelf emergency procurement.

ITBP flouted an RFI for 300 + 762 NATO sniper with detachable suppressor.
Now let's see who comes up for it.

 

[Raj Malhotra]

Kalyani ie Bharat Forge has got ZERO Orders for Howitzers inspite of Baba Kalyani being part of PM Economic Advisory Group. Let me predict SSS will also get zero orders. Import Dalals have become GOD of procurement

 

[Raj Malhotra]

ITBP flouted an RFI for 300 + 762 NATO sniper with detachable suppressor.
Now let's see who comes up for it.

OFB should get it, as supposedly Amit Shah has asked that indigenous weapons be procured by MHA

 

[Chinmoy]

OFB should get it, as supposedly Amit Shah has asked that indigenous weapons be procured by MHA

Probably, but what about pvt parties?

This is what I mentioned just couple of days back. All we see is MoD when it comes to MIC. Why don't we even try to make inroads in domestic law enforcement market?

 

[Holy Triad]

Livefist interview with sss ceo vivek,premieres in two hours,

 

[AZTEC]

Livefist interview with sss ceo vivek,premieres in two hours,

Some screenshots from that video of sniper trials with NSG's Special Action Group:

Notice the "Special Action Group" that's written on the file near the rifle

 

[fire starter]

 

[Shaitan]

If the AK203, CAR wins the contract, there is no chance for them for IA. They have to seek SFs, police, and paramilitary, export.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Apparently I was pretty accurate, except for the short-stroke piston part (though it was claimed by them).

So it's basically a pig with some lipstick and a generous amount of chauvinism....ummn....I mean a standard Kalashnikov with some modifications.

 

[WolfPack86]

FIRST LOOK: Indian Private Sector Answer To Kalashnikov Rifle Out Soon

An Indian private sector firearms technology firm is all set to unveil and offer for test an assault rifle that it claims is an answer, and improvement, over the legendary Russian Kalashnikov AK-47 and its derivatives. The Indian Army and security forces are currently one of the largest users of Kalashnikov rifles, and the government is all set to activate an Indo-Russian joint venture entity that will build over 600,000 Kalashnikov AK-203 rifles in Amethi in northern India.


Bengaluru-based SSS Defence is currently completing design and development of the 7.62×39 rifle, currently simply designated ‘7.62×39 SSS Defence Weapon’ and will unveil a specimen shortly. The weapon is a modification of the company’s existing P-72 Rapid Engagement Combat Rifle (RECR), replacing, among other things, the short stroke piston with a long stroke piston.

Speaking for the first time on the new AK-type weapon, SSS Defence CEO Vivek Krishnan tells Livefist, “There is a view that many people hold that the AK-203 is probably not the best weapon for a modern military force. It’s fine for general infantry. I doubt the Special Forces would want the AK-203 in as many numbers. At the back end, we’ve been working to create an AK variant. My team likes to call it the 7.62×39 SSS Defence Weapon.”


While the AK-203 is all set to be the Indian Army’s standard issue assault rifles for its regular infantry units in the years ahead, SSS Defence believes India’s recently imposed import ban, which includes 7.62×39 assault rifles, offers an opportunity for the company’s upcoming weapon product.


“The embargo on 7.62×39 rifles allows me to present my weapon as an alternative. Ours may not be manufactured in the same quantities as the AK-203, but for sure I can put it out as a very high quality alternative at a very affordable price,” says Krishnan. “What the AK-203 does not have, we have, including a full length rail. Our technical team doesn’t really think highly of the AK-203’s riveted rail. We’ve used the best materials. Ours has a milled receiver rather than the AK-203’s stamped receiver. Things have changed, and we shouldn’t be going back to Cold War Russian technology. Our weapon will have the ability to accomodate every type of optic, day or night, any type of sight. The butt stock is both telescopic as well as can be folded. What the AK-203 offers is that it a reliable weapon. As long as you have a long-stroke piston working in there, it’s reliable.”

SSS Defence also has a retrofit upgrade for the Indian Army’s existing legacy AK-47s that has been under test and is pending a decision. The upgrade involves the integration of a rugged dust cover that fits without any external locking mechanism, a new tactical buttstock, a new gas tube, quad rail fore-end and a flash suppressor. This allows an optic to be mounted along the full length rail along with an under-barrel grenade launcher (UBGL) on the bottom rail. According to SSS Defence, the package lowers recoil significantly and reduces the classic ‘pull up to the right’ traditional to the AK system.


On the AK-47 retrofit package, in a series of tweets in June, SSS Defence said, “No SF operator should have to go into battle with anything less than the SSS Def SOPMOD for AK. Existing upgrades, all of them imported, cost as much as a new weapon for delivering far less. We languish for being an India made system. Where is the soul in Atmanirbhar bharat? We do like the FN Scar but it’s time to reflect on what is optimal for India. 3x the cost for a new system, training afresh & building new tactics don’t come easy. Not to forget, we’ll be importing all the 7.62×51 ammo on this package for a long time to come.”

Apart from the AK-203 local build program, the Indian Army is in the process of inducting over 140,000 SIG 716 battle rifles from the United States, and on the verge of ordering nearly 100,000 CAR 816 carbines from the UAE. SSS Defence sees opportunities going forward in the sniper rifle, carbine and assault rifle space.


You can catch videos of the upgraded AK-47 in action and a whole lot more on the company’s other firearms programs in Livefist’s full interview with SSS Defence CEO Vivek Krishnan on our YouTube channel, and linked below. Please do subscribe and share if you like our video content!

FIRST LOOK: Indian Private Sector Answer To Kalashnikov Rifle Out Soon - Livefist

An Indian private sector firearms technology firm is all set to unveil and offer for test an assault rifle that it claims is an answer, and improvement, over the legendary Russian Kalashnikov AK-47 and its derivatives. The Indian Army and security forces are currently one of the largest users of…

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[Lonewarrior]

On a lighter note...

 

[samsaptaka]

Apparently I was pretty accurate, except for the short-stroke piston part (though it was claimed by them).

So it's basically a pig with some lipstick and a generous amount of chauvinism....ummn....I mean a standard Kalashnikov with some modifications.

I understand your frustration that SSS defence seem to be just assembling imported parts.
But could it be that they have like the chinks (gasp !) simply perfectly copied the design of popular foreign
rifle parts and now have the manufacturing method in house ? If so, I would support SSS, because what we need is in house manufacturing of a good design (by beg borrow or steal method !).
However if they are simply importing and assembling, then SSS is just a screw driver tech firm and is of no use to develop our MIC.