Small arms and Light Weapons

[ManhattanProject]

Yep it wasn't STANAG it can't be, but probably i repeat again probably they did so with recent 6.8x43mm version of same which seems to be using MCIWS' push-button lock pattern magazine from AR,
though as always pic so smoll to conclude something need more info etc yada yada
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if someone reading this planning to go to DefExpo ask about it to AWEIL guys please

The rifle i was refering to has a INSAS mag, this 6.8mm rifles seems to have a push in type of magwell, but it has to be bigger and flared.

 

[ManhattanProject]

Yep it wasn't STANAG it can't be, but probably i repeat again probably they did so with recent 6.8x43mm version of same which seems to be using MCIWS' push-button lock pattern magazine from AR,
though as always pic so smoll to conclude something need more info etc yada yada
View attachment 177683
if someone reading this planning to go to DefExpo ask about it to AWEIL guys please

and lets not forget the trigger needs to be straighter, the old super curved triggers have been outdated.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Looks like a few Dalal’s (He’s a Barret Rep) have been mobilised and woken up.

 

[Johny_Baba]

Yep it wasn't STANAG it can't be, but probably i repeat again probably they did so with recent 6.8x43mm version of same which seems to be using MCIWS' push-button lock pattern magazine from AR,
though as always pic so smoll to conclude something need more info etc yada yada
View attachment 177683
if someone reading this planning to go to DefExpo ask about it to AWEIL guys please

BTW this isn't first time OFB has done something like this on a Kalashnikov, they very well did it very faaaar away in past with Kalantak itself (later variant of Kalantak 07)

mag well with button mag release clearly visible,
although what is not clear is if it was compatible with STANAG magazines here as it used INSAS derived pushbutton style magazines, but otherwise yeah

 

[Lonewarrior]

what is not clear is if it was compatible with STANAG magazines

Definitely STANAG magazines, no other 5.56 magazine has mag catch latch at that exact position.

 

[Johny_Baba]

and lets not forget the trigger needs to be straighter, the old super curved triggers have been outdated.

well you me and others here argue about straighter trigger and OFB guys indeed did it in past with Excalibur Mk.1C but then if army themselvs believe in ;real gunz have curvezz; then what can we even say further

same also happened on that 7.62 NATO rifle

so why would OFB//AWEIL guys try to put it in their newer guns when initial response already was not that good regd this innovation

 

[Johny_Baba]

reminder before Asmi machine pistol, this already happened in past

and before this they tried this

but due to reasons unknown to us, both of these suffered premature death and now almost forgotten

 

[Arjun Mk1A]

reminder before Asmi machine pistol, this already happened in past View attachment 177709
and before this they tried this
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but due to reasons unknown to us, both of these suffered premature death and now almost forgotten

First time seeing a 9mm JVPC. The second one should be buried under Bay of Bengal.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

reminder before Asmi machine pistol, this already happened in past View attachment 177709
and before this they tried this
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but due to reasons unknown to us, both of these suffered premature death and now almost forgotten

Bro straight out of Cod black ops

 

[Johny_Baba]

First time seeing a 9mm JVPC

posted here on this very forum, this is why i kept asking you newfags to read older posts

It would seem the JVPC is 9x19mm Parabellum SMG now or it could be a fudge up by OFB at AI 2017. If this is true is there a possibility ICG Amoghs are 9x19mm as well?

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To be honest,I have mixed feeling with the 9mm Version of JVPC.

At first,It's a good decision to include this variant as next standard issue Sub-Machine Gun/Carbine of Indian Army as it eliminates potential logistic problems that 5.56 x 30 mm variant could've created if included in large masses,as current Sterling SMG also uses same cartridge.

On the other hand,The 5.56 x 30 mm has more 'punch' than 9mm Parabellum and it also has (alleged) ability to penetrate BP Jackets,is equivalent in performance to renowned 5.7 x 28 mm FN Cartridge.Of Course,inclusion of a new Rifle Caliber Cartridge (of 5.56 x 30 mm) for next Service Carbine could create logistic problems but it's still nice to have a powerful cartridge than using Pistol caliber Cartridge (9 x 19 mm).

9mm JVPC

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[Johny_Baba]

but due to reasons unknown to us, both of these suffered premature death and now almost forgotten

last time shuvo bhai provided this info about Anamika when i asked about it

As far as open source information, Anamika was developed post 26/11 time frame, when H&K refused to do buiseness with some states of India, citing human rights concern. It was even showcased by OFB in some Arms exhibitions.
However, since 2013-14, H&K has resumed buiseness. In addition, our armed forces and police have discovered MP-7 from B&T. Thus Anamika got sidelined.

As far as JVPC is concerned, last heard news was that it cleared Army trials in December 2020. However, no formal order have been placed by Army yet.

 

[MisraZ]

Any idea how much a Hk mp5a5/a3 costs for Indian security forces? A lot of them were inducted en-masse post 26/11.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

 

[Flying Dagger]

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Forget exports let's see if even army is going to induct this...

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

From the Defexpo page, courtesy: @jik60

Is the Top right rifle showcased by OFB, a 7.62*51 mm version of their Sig 550 chap carbine (shown just below it)?

If not can someone please identify the rifle?

 

[Lonewarrior]

From the Defexpo page, courtesy: @jik60

Is the Top right rifle showcased by OFB, a 7.62*51 mm version of their Sig 550 chap carbine (shown just below it)?

If not can someone please identify the rifle?

Ya, it kind of looks like a 7.62x51mm mag.

The ratio of magazine width in this image is somewhere in the ballpark of 1.2

Now if we take a look at AR-10 and AR-15 P-MAGs

...it's also close to 1.2

 

[Johny_Baba]

From the Defexpo page, courtesy: @jik60

Is the Top right rifle showcased by OFB, a 7.62*51 mm version of their Sig 550 chap carbine (shown just below it)?

If not can someone please identify the rifle?

Yep that is exactly that, an upscaled 7.62 NATO calibre variant of their 5.56x45mm Carbine which is ;inspired; from SIG SG550

^regd SG550 part i would like to clarify before people start confusing themselves calling it ;copy;
it definitely isn't copy, but what i meant essentially was, the receiver design that is there on OFB's carbine is taking its inspirations from SG550 series, with being of two sections design like in AR-15 and other modern assault rifles
receiver of SG550

and here disassembled

vis

OFB // AWEIL // ARDE 5.56x45mm Carbine (Sheesh why don't these people give it a name already)

and disassembled (though graphics seems to be somewhat inaccurate, like missing out gas piston on bolt carrier etc)

So yeah, this way it is a SIG SG550 inspired project, and both are also Kalashnikov derivatives in terms of main operating mechanism of gas system + bolt and bolt carrier assembly

you can get further validation that it is inspired from SIG SG550 when you visit OFB Ishapore's Rifle Room where they are having SG550 (seems semi-auto only) showcased there, credit to sandeep unnithan of course

so they already had their base weapon in hand, just had to make something from it

though do also note, OFB // AWEIL // ARDE 5.56x45mm Carbine is a milled receiver weapon as visible, while SG550 series was a stamped sheet receiver one, but milled is better for us
otoh JVPC, which is also two-section receiver design (in semi-bullpup Uzi like configuration), is stamped sheet receiver build one.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Yep that is exactly that, an upscaled 7.62 NATO calibre variant of their 5.56x45mm Carbine which is ;inspired; from SIG SG550

^regd SG550 part i would like to clarify before people start confusing themselves calling it ;copy;
it definitely isn't copy, but what i meant essentially was, the receiver design that is there on OFB's carbine is taking its inspirations from SG550 series, with being of two sections design like in AR-15 and other modern assault rifles
receiver of SG550
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and here disassembled
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vis

OFB // AWEIL // ARDE 5.56x45mm Carbine (Sheesh why don't these people give it a name already)
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and disassembled (though graphics seems to be somewhat inaccurate, like missing out gas piston on bolt carrier etc)
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So yeah, this way it is a SIG SG550 inspired project, and both are also Kalashnikov derivatives in terms of main operating mechanism of gas system + bolt and bolt carrier assembly

you can get further validation that it is inspired from SIG SG550 when you visit OFB Ishapore's Rifle Room where they are having SG550 (seems semi-auto only) showcased there, credit to sandeep unnithan of course
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so they already had their base weapon in hand, just had to make something from it

though do also note, OFB // AWEIL // ARDE 5.56x45mm Carbine is a milled receiver weapon as visible, while SG550 series was a stamped sheet receiver one, but milled is better for us
otoh JVPC, which is also two-section receiver design (in semi-bullpup Uzi like configuration), is stamped sheet receiver build one.

Wonder if they’ll attempt to make a JVPC with a Milled Receiver.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

So finally, we do have another competition to Sig-716 from OFB apart from their earlier AR-2 rifle (which was based on Ghatak rifle).

Waiting for SSSD to also M-72 or P-72 in 7.62*51 mm caliber.

The new 7.62*51 mm rifle from OFB has the same muzzle brake which we find on Sig-716.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

So finally, we do have another competition to Sig-716 from OFB apart from their earlier AR-2 rifle (which was based on Ghatak rifle).

Waiting for SSSD to also M-72 or P-72 in 7.62*51 mm caliber.

The new 7.62*51 mm rifle from OFB has the same muzzle brake which we find on Sig-716.

The OFB R2 rifle is based more on the INSAS MK1C rather than the Ghatak. Also, share a picture or sauce of the OFB R2 with the same muzzle brake as the Sig 716