Small arms and Light Weapons

[vidhwanshak]

bhai ye sig hai jo army ne order kiya tha?

 

[FalconSlayers]

bhai ye sig hai jo army ne order kiya tha?

Nope its the Scorpio TGT sniper rifle if I remember correctly, this man’s a legend he smoked multiple porkystanis on the LoC before getting KIA in a counter infiltration operation.

 

[vidhwanshak]

Nope its the Scorpio TGT sniper rifle if I remember correctly, this man’s a legend he smoked multiple porkystanis on the LoC before getting KIA in a counter infiltration operation.

Thanks for the info mate.

He was killed in a ceasefire violation by Porkis.
See this:

Rfn Md Arif Shafi Alam Khan Pathan

www.honourpoint.in

 

[ALBY]

@Johny_Baba i dont know whether u remember or not, last year or so we had spotted a matt blavk finish SLR with Crpf and were curious how did they got the matt black as OFB dont have it and tge black colour paint issued to battalions atr not matte. Today i just find out that one was not an Indian but a Brazilian made FnFal. In our forces it is known as Long Range Assault rifle or Long Assault Rifle something like that. It has Insas like flash hider plus Fnfnc like charging handle. Also can say for sure Grey hounds have Cz807s in quite numbers and very recently they got colt rifles in 7.62x51.First i thought they were Sig716s later confirmed it were Colts. Dont know the exact model.And these cz807s are assembled in India by some firm called CMT, i never knew CZ have assembling facilities in India like Iwi

 

[Johny_Baba]

@Johny_Baba i dont know whether u remember or not, last year or so we had spotted a matt blavk finish SLR with Crpf and were curious how did they got the matt black as OFB dont have it and tge black colour paint issued to battalions atr not matte. Today i just find out that one was not an Indian but a Brazilian made FnFal. In our forces it is known as Long Range Assault rifle or Long Assault Rifle something like that. It has Insas like flash hider plus Fnfnc like charging handle. Also can say for sure Grey hounds have Cz807s in quite numbers and very recently they got colt rifles in 7.62x51.First i thought they were Sig716s later confirmed it were Colts. Dont know the exact model.And these cz807s are assembled in India by some firm called CMT, i never knew CZ have assembling facilities in India like Iwi

yep i remember, i even have this one pic saved with me

credit to of course shatrujeet

also these pics

i was under impression that we might've bought it off DS Arms but brazilian IMBEL is good as well,
though what the fuck...we're now importing FALs i mean something that we've been making here at home ?! if they want full auto on them just manufacture 1C version naa with 1A pattern barrel+handguards

and how is magazine compability among imported FALs and desi 1A SLRs i mean british SLR pattern magazines have slightly different locking tabs on them than original 'metric' pattern FALs and so...

glad to hear (also concerned due to obvious reasons) about Colt CM901 and Cz807

 

[Flying Dagger]

yep i remember, i even have this one pic saved with me
View attachment 143490
credit to of course shatrujeet

also these pics
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View attachment 143494

i was under impression that we might've bought it off DS Arms but brazilian IMBEL is good as well,
though what the fuck...we're now importing FALs i mean something that we've been making here at home ?! if they want full auto on them just manufacture 1C version naa with 1A pattern barrel+handguards

and how is magazine compability among imported FALs and desi 1A SLRs i mean british SLR pattern magazines have slightly different locking tabs on them than original 'metric' pattern FALs and so...

glad to hear (also concerned due to obvious reasons) about Colt CM901 and Cz807

We do have a big stock of SLR lying around. May be it's just repainted one since OFB still manufacture SLR.

Infact if i remember correctly they managed to reduce the weight by 1 kg in an upgraded version which was all black. Need more confirmation if it's imported .

 

[Flying Dagger]

@Johny_Baba i dont know whether u remember or not, last year or so we had spotted a matt blavk finish SLR with Crpf and were curious how did they got the matt black as OFB dont have it and tge black colour paint issued to battalions atr not matte. Today i just find out that one was not an Indian but a Brazilian made FnFal. In our forces it is known as Long Range Assault rifle or Long Assault Rifle something like that. It has Insas like flash hider plus Fnfnc like charging handle. Also can say for sure Grey hounds have Cz807s in quite numbers and very recently they got colt rifles in 7.62x51.First i thought they were Sig716s later confirmed it were Colts. Dont know the exact model.And these cz807s are assembled in India by some firm called CMT, i never knew CZ have assembling facilities in India like Iwi

How many cz you think we got they cost 3k a piece around .

Though definitely made for us can solve carbine 5.56 and 7.62 AK issue with one rifle.

 

[ALBY]

We do have a big stock of SLR lying around. May be it's just repainted one since OFB still manufacture SLR.

Infact if i remember correctly they managed to reduce the weight by 1 kg in an upgraded version which was all black. Need more confirmation if it's imported .

Nope. I personally saw abd verified the IMBEL marking.

 

[Flying Dagger]

Nope. I personally saw abd verified the IMBEL marking.

Well in that case do they use 5.56 round ?

Why do we need it at all when INSAS is there in bulk... this seems more of a fanboy purchase then logic or our INSAS production is shit worth .

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Well in that case do they use 5.56 round ?

Why do we need it at all when INSAS is there in bulk... this seems more of a fanboy purchase then logic or our INSAS production is shit worth .

The IMBEL FALs with CRPF clearly have 7.62x51 mags, so what you’re saying does not make sense.

 

[Flying Dagger]

The IMBEL FALs with CRPF clearly have 7.62x51 mags, so what you’re saying does not make sense.View attachment 143512

IMBEL makes FAL in 5.56 round too .... That's what I have asked if we opted for 5.56 NATO round and if we did we had INSAS to do the job.


Another thing as mentioned in their brochure is it weigh less than 4kg so definitely lighter than what our OFB make. May be that's why we opted for it.

 

[Johny_Baba]

Well in that case do they use 5.56 round ?

Why do we need it at all when INSAS is there in bulk... this seems more of a fanboy purchase then logic or our INSAS production is shit worth .

IMBEL makes FAL in 5.56 round too .... That's what I have asked if we opted for 5.56 NATO round and if we did we had INSAS to do the job.


Another thing as mentioned in their brochure is it weigh less than 4kg so definitely lighter than what our OFB make. May be that's why we opted for it.

The 5.56 NATO "FAL" you're referring to is IMBEL's IM-2 in that calibre,
and it's more near to 'AR-18-bolt carrier group-in-FAL-receiver' thing than actual downscaled FAL thing, as it's stoner pattern rotating bolt design (compared to tilting bolt design from FAL)

IMBEL IA-2 rifle and carbine versions in 5.56 NATO

IMBEL IA-2 carbine in 5.56 NATO, disassembled (notice new pattern furniture here)

IMBEL IA-2 5.56 NATO version bolt carier further disassembled in parts, AR-style design clearly visible

finally, IMBEL IA-2 in 7.62 NATO is based on FAL Para version (one that had metal folding stock and recoil spring stuff housed within the main receiver style design etc) that's modernised-lightened etc with rails on top-sides etc, intended to supplement-replace previous FALs in service

here, disassembled IA-2 in 7.62 NATO

The one in CRPF service is neither of these two, it's just vanilla FAL made in brazil's IMBEL

 

[Flying Dagger]

The 5.56 NATO "FAL" you're referring to is IMBEL's IM-2 in that calibre,
and it's more near to 'AR-18-bolt carrier group-in-FAL-receiver' thing than actual downscaled FAL thing, as it's stoner pattern rotating bolt design (compared to tilting bolt design from FAL)

View attachment 143610
IMBEL IA-2 rifle and carbine versions in 5.56 NATO

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IMBEL IA-2 carbine in 5.56 NATO, disassembled (notice new pattern furniture here)

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IMBEL IA-2 5.56 NATO version bolt carier further disassembled in parts, AR-style design clearly visible

finally, IMBEL IA-2 in 7.62 NATO is based on FAL Para version (one that had metal folding stock and recoil spring stuff housed within the main receiver style design etc) that's modernised-lightened etc with rails on top-sides etc, intended to supplement-replace previous FALs in service

here, disassembled IA-2 in 7.62 NATO
View attachment 143616

The one in CRPF service is neither of these two, it's just vanilla FAL made in brazil's IMBEL

So there is no weight reduction from the original one ?

I'll look into it and see what's the difference and why did they even bought it if it's exactly the same.

 

[ALBY]

yep i remember, i even have this one pic saved with me
View attachment 143490
credit to of course shatrujeet

also these pics
View attachment 143491
View attachment 143494

i was under impression that we might've bought it off DS Arms but brazilian IMBEL is good as well,
though what the fuck...we're now importing FALs i mean something that we've been making here at home ?! if they want full auto on them just manufacture 1C version naa with 1A pattern barrel+handguards

and how is magazine compability among imported FALs and desi 1A SLRs i mean british SLR pattern magazines have slightly different locking tabs on them than original 'metric' pattern FALs and so...

glad to hear (also concerned due to obvious reasons) about Colt CM901 and Cz807

Let ne check about the comparability of magazines. I will tell in couple of days

 

[ALBY]

The ones in use are just vanilla SLRs by Imbel. Men swear by the weapon that those are super accurate and used for long range shooting. Only fixed butt ones no folding ones.
Btw next time some one say they had fixed flaws in insas and all the issues are just media crrated ones kick them in thw gut. 100% personal opinion.. Had used both older ones and newer ones in sidefolding stock. Both sucks

 

[Flying Dagger]

The ones in use are just vanilla SLRs by Imbel. Men swear by the weapon that those are super accurate and used for long range shooting. Only fixed butt ones no folding ones.
Btw next time some one say they had fixed flaws in insas and all the issues are just media crrated ones kick them in thw gut. 100% personal opinion.. Had used both older ones and newer ones in sidefolding stock. Both sucks

Kunal Biswas have been rallying around INSAS since the forum started may be speak to him first... Are you in armed forces ?

I have hold INSAS old one in my hands but never fired

That also solves the mystery why Indian SLR aren't used but they should have atleast went for the upgraded one which are lighter.

Did you get your hands on 1c or Excalibur ?

 

[Johny_Baba]

The ones in use are just vanilla SLRs by Imbel. Men swear by the weapon that those are super accurate and used for long range shooting. Only fixed butt ones no folding ones.
Btw next time some one say they had fixed flaws in insas and all the issues are just media crrated ones kick them in thw gut. 100% personal opinion.. Had used both older ones and newer ones in sidefolding stock. Both sucks

Sir can you list out kind of issues you saw personally on INSAS, both older (1B ?) and newer (1B1 ?) versions ?
...i think i have some ideas about possible issues that could occur there on INSAS judging from its design (and flaws) and so but i'd like to hear more from first-hand user about it...i also have some documented evidences about it (and some of my own personal contribution behind something etc)

 

[ALBY]

Sir can you list out kind of issues you saw personally on INSAS, both older (1B ?) and newer (1B1 ?) versions ?
...i think i have some ideas about possible issues that could occur there on INSAS judging from its design (and flaws) and so but i'd like to hear more from first-hand user about it...i also have some documented evidences about it (and some of my own personal contribution behind something etc)

Will compile the list of issues i felt and heard from people i know who too were using it. Wait for some time. Right now i am having some super busy schedule.
Btw i am not an expert

 

[ALBY]

Kunal Biswas have been rallying around INSAS since the forum started may be speak to him first... Are you in armed forces ?

I have hold INSAS old one in my hands but never fired

That also solves the mystery why Indian SLR aren't used but they should have atleast went for the upgraded one which are lighter.

Did you get your hands on 1c or Excalibur ?

I am in a mission to find a second person who likes Insas other tha.. Btw no argument on the accuracy part also it is fairly easy to fire in semi auto. Can't say about controllability of tgree round burst as i am not much an experienced shooter nor i am an above average shot, though i could hit the first round on the target in 100 yards second and third usually hits crows and sparrows in the sky

 

[ALBY]

yep i remember, i even have this one pic saved with me
View attachment 143490
credit to of course shatrujeet

also these pics
View attachment 143491
View attachment 143494

i was under impression that we might've bought it off DS Arms but brazilian IMBEL is good as well,
though what the fuck...we're now importing FALs i mean something that we've been making here at home ?! if they want full auto on them just manufacture 1C version naa with 1A pattern barrel+handguards

and how is magazine compability among imported FALs and desi 1A SLRs i mean british SLR pattern magazines have slightly different locking tabs on them than original 'metric' pattern FALs and so...

glad to hear (also concerned due to obvious reasons) about Colt CM901 and Cz807

Mags are not interchangeable.. The locking butts in the mags are different in size. I am saying about the small bulging at the side of Magazine which locks into the rifle. In LAR/Imbel one its small compared with that of SLR. Also thr base plate of both mags are having different sizes.
Imbel is way better than SLR in terms of accuracy and reliability.